.net mail server down?

[gingerjedi]

Is it?

I have 4 mail addressess set up, all the .com ones are working but the .net isn't receiving?

[Simon]

Sorry, I don't have a .net address to test.  Anyone else?  My .com addresses are definitely OK.

[sobranie]

Getting this for the last 1/2 hour. What's going on??


The connection to the server has failed. Account: 'mail.idnet.net.uk', Server: 'mail.idnet.net.uk', Protocol: POP3, Port: 110, Secure(SSL): No, Socket Error: 10060, Error Number: 0x800CCC0E

[psp83]

it be back up soon.. someone just put the kettle on thats all 

[Bill]

.co.uk seems to be down too- me, and there's another report over on tbb.

[SignLine]

Seems it's down then, emails won't go from my work one which they host my website it works through or my private one at home, click on service stats, then click on emails ending in com or co.uk webpage cannot be displayed, thought I'd check on here so it seems it must be down but no info as to why

[Simon_idnet]

It seems that there is either a power problem of a problem with the switch in that rack. We have an engineer on his way.
Simon

[Gary]

My DomainMail is down with this message :The connection to the server has failed. Account: 'Domain Mail', Server: 'pop3.idnet.net', Protocol: POP3, Port: 110, Secure(SSL): No, Socket Error: 10051, Error Number: 0x800CCC0E  Webmail interface is down as well 

[Simon]

It seems that there is either a power problem of a problem with the switch in that rack. We have an engineer on his way.
Simon

Thanks, Simon.

[DAB Badboy]

Normal service would now appear to hbave been restored.

[Gary]

Mine is working again, but slowly  at least its working

[Ann]

SMTP is working too.

[Lance]

Thanks Simon for the information.

[Sebby]

It seems that there is either a power problem of a problem with the switch in that rack. We have an engineer on his way.
Simon

Thanks, Simon, great service.

[madasahatter]

Thanks, Simon, great service.

I agree that this particular fault was solved very quickly.

However, how many mail problems (for whatever reason) has that been in the last few weeks now? Are IDnet diverting money that would normally be spent on maintaining the network, on developing new services such as telephony? 

[Simon]

To be fair, Mad, I would think power or switch problems can just happen, regardless.

[madasahatter]

To be fair, Mad, I would think power or switch problems can just happen, regardless.

That's true Simon, but the rest of the mail problems lately haven't been power or switch related, and you can't deny there's been a few of them in a fairly short space of time.

Could just be me getting paranoid I suppose......

[Simon]

No, I can't deny that, Mad.  I think this is the first time the domain mail service has been affected though, and it was fixed more or less within an hour or two. 

[Rik]

Maybe we're all a bit sensitised atm, Mad? Antennas are quivering for the slightest change. Yes, there have been more issues in the past year than either IDNet or its customers would have wanted, but with technology sometimes things just go wrong.

[madasahatter]

but with technology sometimes things just go wrong.

Fully accepted Rik - it's just all beginning to make me wonder 

[Rik]

I can understand that, Mad, and certainly my second year with IDNet has seen many more problems than my first - in fact I can only think of one significant issue in the first year. Most of them, though, seem to have been unrelated - just an unfortunate coincidence.

How you prevent power supply issues, switches failing etc I am not sure. Perhaps the system needs more redundancy, but I really don't know. Clearly the mail server failure was a big issue, and hopefully lessons were learned from it - we know that the load is now spread across three or four physical servers, and that there is a spare available, ready to hot swap. The capacity issue is largely down to BT failing to deliver, but obviously that should have been IDNet's problem, not the customers, in an ideal world.

The one thing we do have, though, is the ability to talk to Simon & Tim and find out exactly what the problem is, and what's being done to resolve it. That's still worth a bit in my book.

[Sebby]

However, how many mail problems (for whatever reason) has that been in the last few weeks now? Are IDnet diverting money that would normally be spent on maintaining the network, on developing new services such as telephony? 

I can't argue with what you've said. It was just nice to see IDNet acting quickly.

[Tacitus]

The one thing we do have, though, is the ability to talk to Simon & Tim and find out exactly what the problem is, and what's being done to resolve it. That's still worth a bit in my book.

I think it's worth a lot.  It's good (and much appreciated) to see Simon posting here in a timely manner to say what is going on.  Problems happen - it's when folks haven't a clue whether anyone at iDNet is trying to fix it, that the trouble starts.

[madasahatter]

it's when folks haven't a clue whether anyone at iDNet is trying to fix it, that the trouble starts.

Exactly the problem I had this last weekend tac. It turns out that they were, but I didn't know that, and unless I had contacted them to point out that I had had no contact from them, I would have been none the wiser. 

[Lance]

Indeed, communication to customers is the key 

[madasahatter]

Indeed, communication to customers is the key 

It's like anything else in the service industry Lance - to do something isn't really enough - you have to be seen to be doing something to really make a difference 

[Lance]

Exactly.

When there is a fault, it's good to have official communication confirming a fault, what it is (if possible and not too sensitive!) and what is being done to sort it out. I believe these sort of communications are the type that make people a lot happier than they otherwise would be.

[Sebby]

I absolutely agree, Lance.

[Tacitus]

It's like anything else in the service industry Lance - to do something isn't really enough - you have to be seen to be doing something to really make a difference 

I agree with all that has been said.   However I think in some cases the problem lies with there being no 'official' out of hours service.  As I said in a previous post, it's good to see Simon posting here with updates, but out of hours when the staff probably consists of one person who's trying to fix the problem, answer the phone to others reporting other problems, and is then asked to ring everybody updating them might be a bit of a stretch at times.

I'm not saying iDNet shouldn't communicate they should, but I'm wondering whether there are things which are simply limitations of having (officially) 'office hours only' support.  It might be that people have to accept some limitations on what can be done out of hours.

Most of the ISPs with 24/7 support rely on script monkeys in Bangalore/Romania/Durban etc.  There's some that don't (O2?) but do they offer the same service as iDNet?

I don't know what the answer is really.    It might be useful if we knew how the out of hours system works.  Is there a rota for on call staff who are based at iDNet towers over the weekend?  IE there is one person (aka skeleton staff) available at iDNet towers during office hours 7/7?  If not perhaps that is a way forward although there is probably a cost to iDNet.

[Rik]

Afaik, Tac, one person is 'on call' out of hours, but can call on others as needed.

[Gary]

Maybe IDNet could use a text or auto callback feature with a generic messaging system letting you know an issue is fixed if you call in, If I had been out the other night (unlikely) and was using my DomainMail on my Phone and it had gone down, a text to say it failed or even a call to say that, and a follow up one to say issues were fixed would have been great, maybe something that could be a sign up for feature at a small extra cost, this way individuals are kept in contact without skeleton staff being stretched at weekends and at night?

[Rik]

That should be easy to operate, Gary, as it's just an extension of the Network Status page and the RSS feed which already exists. If, of course, that is updated.

[Gary]

That should be easy to operate, Gary, as it's just an extension of the Network Status page and the RSS feed which already exists. If, of course, that is updated.

Well maybe there is a way for a failure to kick in the Network Status then the text or callback service if it was implemented, surely some software could be written that comes into effect if a part of the system goes down updating the Network status?

[Rik]

It must be possible, Gary, but I don't know whether it would entail massive changes on the network software.

[Gary]

It must be possible, Gary, but I don't know whether it would entail massive changes on the network software.

Maybe with the new phone package for IDNet customers it would be worth the time to do it though, I wonder if they would get swamped if peoples lines had issues so this would pay off in the long run?

[Rik]

Fair comment, to which I have no answer. 

[Simon]

Fwiw, although I agree that they should call customers back regarding individual issues, on a wider scale problem such as the mail issue the other night, I don't think it's reasonable to expect them to contact every customer, individually, who might have been affected.  We only know of the members here who called in, but for all we know, they could have received hundreds of messages.  What might be an idea, would be a general email to all customers, just to apologise to those who may have been affected.

[Rik]

It doesn't even have to be an email, Simon, it could be done via the status page.

[Tacitus]

It doesn't even have to be an email, Simon, it could be done via the status page.

I think you're right, but it's true only insofar as there may be a general problem - eg the mail servers are downl.  I was thinking more of user specific issues eg problems at the individual user's exchange or similar.  If these coincide with a more general one, the solitary support person might have their hands full for a time. 

Like I say I don't really know the answer although I wonder if some sort of ticket system might be an idea.  I've said before, I look at the way Clook do it.  They seem to manage and, judging by the responses to support queries, I don't think they have many more staff than iDNet.  (TBH I don't know how many staff iDNet have - only those listed on the web site).  That said, some of Clook's are based in Philly, so 'out of hours' in the UK is covered  from the US via the ticket system, so perhaps it's not a fair comparison.

[Rik]

I would hope, Tac, that if a significant general problem occurred, there would be a 'ramping up' of support personnel. I have seen this happen in the past.

[madasahatter]

Fwiw, although I agree that they should call customers back regarding individual issues, on a wider scale problem such as the mail issue the other night, I don't think it's reasonable to expect them to contact every customer, individually, who might have been affected. 

Completely agree Simon 

[Gary]

I must admit I have had spotty DomainMail  issues tonight, it sometimes does not connect and I get the server error from the other night, performance is slow as well accessing the mail via pop3 sometimes not sure whats up, I'll give support a call on Monday if it continues, probably just a glitch.