That syncing feeling

Nerval · Dec 15, 2006, 10:20:26

Hey Gavin, that post is ON TOPIC!!

What are you playing at! lol

Your SNR margin obviously needs to come down again to 6.

Quickest way is to ring support and see what they can do.

May take forever if you wait for Max to see the possibilities and give you 6Mb again.

Rik · Dec 15, 2006, 10:25:29

Quote from: Bat on Dec 15, 2006, 10:00:14
Hi,
Sorry to be a party pooper!
But due to numerous reboots, changed to a modem and switch, reconfigured network, server howling away in the garage, has knobbled my speed!
So how do I resync at my original speed of 6k ish (sorry) as I'm now down to 4k ish (sorry again)?
I've got a SNR headroom of between 10 and 12db so I know there's room for improvement
Cheers,
Gavin

I started to respond, but Nerval got there first. What he said.

Bat · Dec 15, 2006, 15:59:27

Hi,
I never mentioned on topic..... Guilty conscience ?

I'll get my coat

Cheers,
Gavin

ou7shined · Dec 22, 2006, 16:06:12

Here I go again... I chanced an overnight router power down and my numbers are up.

Test1 comprises of Best Effort Test:
IP profile for your line is - 6500 kbps
DSL connection rate: 448 kbps(UP-STREAM) 8128 kbps(DOWN-STREAM)
Actual IP throughput achieved during the test was - 6120 kbps

still holding the same profile though.

Rik · Dec 23, 2006, 10:24:24

Give it three days - if you can sustain that sync speed.

Nerval · Dec 23, 2006, 10:43:06

Well Rik, I accidentally tripped the ELCircuit Breaker in the garage and my router went off.
Back on, it's resynched at 6016.
I'm getting tempted again as it's only 224 shy of the magic number for 5500 BRAS rate. And I've not gone back up to 5000 yet after my last try.

And of course the daft thing is that I don't need the extra 500kb, and I wouldn't notice it if I had it.

Still.......................

Rik · Dec 23, 2006, 10:47:46

Quote from: Nerval on Dec 23, 2006, 10:43:06
Well Rik, I accidentally tripped the ELCircuit Breaker in the garage and my router went off.

Time for a UPS?

QuoteAnd of course the daft thing is that I don't need the extra 500kb, and I wouldn't notice it if I had it.

It's in the nature of man to seek the moon, Mars even.

Nerval · Dec 23, 2006, 10:56:58

Tome? ah yes, I see you've edited it now.

There's a pullswitch for the Airbath on the bathroom ceiling, and from time to time, for no apparent reason, it trips out the ELCB for all the sockets in the house when you turn it off. Nothing visibly wrong inside the switch - I assume it must be a smidgen of steam getting into it.
These ELCBs are absurdly over sensitive (a bit like me really) so it's all the funnier when you go to France and you could stick a pitchfork into any of their sockets with impunity. Only good old GB puts in the daft rules and then follows them.

Like boilers - did you know that if you have a new boiler put in it has to be a condensing one? (to save the planet of course) regardless of the fact that they haven't yet made a reliable one. Like when they implemented the daft rule about recycling fridges, but didn't have any facilities to do it, so England's green and pleasant lanes became littered with discarded fridges.

Ah but a man's reach should exceed his grasp, or what's a Heaven for?
is what I think you mean, Rik.

Rik · Dec 23, 2006, 11:18:06

Quote from: Nerval on Dec 23, 2006, 10:56:58
Tome? ah yes, I see you've edited it now.

Always wait half a minute for me to spot the typo.

QuoteLike boilers - did you know that if you have a new boiler put in it has to be a condensing one? (to save the planet of course) regardless of the fact that they haven't yet made a reliable one.

And the energy saved is more than offest by repair costs, capital costs and a shorter working life. I'm with you brother!

QuoteLike when they implemented the daft rule about recycling fridges, but didn't have any facilities to do it, so England's green and pleasant lanes became littered with discarded fridges.

While most Councils fail to implement re-cycling schemes for batteries and yoghurt pots. The whole environmental thing is just a game, played out for political correctness.

QuoteAh but a man's reach should exceed his grasp, or what's a Heaven for?
is what I think you mean, Rik.

Don't quite grasp your meaning...

ou7shined · Dec 23, 2006, 12:50:44

Sorry to disagree guys, but us Brits are notoriously poor recyclers compared to our brothers and sisters in the rest of civilised Europe. So all this governmental guff about recycling is more about changing our collective attitude rather than the actual practicality of it. I used to live in Germany where recycling was seen as your civic duty/responsibility rather than something you do if you happen to remember or you've got the time for. But yes, it does seem pointless at times.

Rik · Dec 23, 2006, 12:57:57

You're not really disagreeing, at least with me.

I'm all in favour of re-cycling. My issue is that the powers that be, specifically my local Council, pay lip service to the issue, and are only interested at all because they have to meet Govt targets.

There is nowhere for me to re-cycle yoghurt pots and batteries - amongst a host of other material - because the Council deem it uneconomic to create the facilities to do so.

jupiter · Dec 23, 2006, 14:42:26

Quote from: rikbean on Dec 23, 2006, 12:57:57
my local Council, pay lip service to the issue, and are only interested at all because they have to meet Govt targets.
There is nowhere for me to re-cycle yoghurt pots and batteries - amongst a host of other material - because the Council deem it uneconomic to create the facilities to do so.

So govt targets are a good thing if they push local councils? I'd say so.
Like 0u7shined said, we need the attitude shift that some other countries have already managed.
Where I am we've only just had kerbside recycling collection introduced - and it excludes glass!
But it is a start in a part of the country where baler twine is the only accepted currency.

Rik · Dec 23, 2006, 15:24:37

Realistic and useful targets are something I'm all in favour of. Targets that achieve statistics for politicians to quote I am not. Re-cycling needs to be encouraged before it's enforced. We need to be able to separate out our waste more than we do. We also need less silly 'rules'. We are currently obliged to wash out all tins before re-cycling. The cost of the water used, both to me and the environment, offsets much of the benefit of re-cycling. IAC, the furnaces will soon dispose of any residues in the cans.

How do you get Visa to set an exchange rate on baler twine aamoi?

ou7shined · Dec 23, 2006, 15:49:31

That is a daft rule right enough, but the thing is that in the UK it is uneconomical to recycle as the various costs are so high anyway (including the recycling mans wage) and we don't have the necessary number of systems in place to make it cost effective. But are we recycling to save/make money today or is it more to do with investing in our kids future? Just think about tiny Tim Cratchit.

Rik · Dec 23, 2006, 16:01:48

It should, of course, be about the future. Right now, it's about looking good. As a general rule, we do not, in the UK, invest in anything which has long term benefits. This is, I believe, mainly due to the fact that politician's have an attention span of five years or less.

Unless we introduce real long-term planning, which would require cross-party support and an agreement by all the political parties to maintain the measures required, we will never have a decent infrastructure - be it waste disposal, roads, rail or flood control. (To name but a few...)

For Tiny Tim's sake, I hope that we can take the politics out of environmental management.

Nerval · Dec 23, 2006, 16:05:42

Quote from: rikbean on Dec 23, 2006, 16:01:48

For Tiny Tim's sake, I hope that we can take the politics out of environmental management.

Dream on.
They'll use it as an excuse for more taxes and that's it.
None of them gives a toss about anything but being in power.

Rik · Dec 23, 2006, 16:07:56

I concur.

But I can dream.

ou7shined · Dec 23, 2006, 16:23:22

A very wise man (Billy Connelly) once said something along the lines of... The desire to be a politician should automatically disqualify you from ever being one.

jupiter · Dec 23, 2006, 16:27:46

Quote from: rikbean on Dec 23, 2006, 15:24:37
How do you get Visa to set an exchange rate on baler twine

It requires complex negotiations - the main requirement is that the negotiations take place over a farm gate between individuals whose trousers are held up by said baler twine - as is the farm gate.

Targets are set for the length of time it takes anyone to get round to saying what they actually want or think.

Quote from: rikbean on Dec 23, 2006, 15:24:37
We are currently obliged to wash out all tins before re-cycling... the furnaces will soon dispose of any residues in the cans.

With our fortnightly recycling collection we will stink even more than we do now.

I think the targets nudge the process, which then gathers pace, which then makes more facilities economic. If we (ie nation) just quibble about whether targets are for politicians or collective good, then I can't see much progress. Maybe that is precisely why we lag behind some countries - the energy goes in arguing and cynicism.
An argument for keeping oldies out of power?

Rik · Dec 23, 2006, 16:31:43

Quote from: ou7shined on Dec 23, 2006, 16:23:22
A very wise man (Billy Connelly) once said something along the lines of... The desire to be a politician should automatically disqualify you from ever being one.

A sentiment with which I entirely agree. Parliament should be run on a jury service basis, or we go back to the Viking way...

Rik · Dec 23, 2006, 16:33:56

Quote from: jupiter on Dec 23, 2006, 16:27:46
It requires complex negotiations - the main requirement is that the negotiations take place over a farm gate between individuals whose trousers are held up by said baler twine - as is the farm gate.

What, no computers? How terrible.

QuoteI think the targets nudge the process, which then gathers pace, which then makes more facilities economic. If we (ie nation) just quibble about whether targets are for politicians or collective good, then I can't see much progress. Maybe that is precisely why we lag behind some countries - the energy goes in arguing and cynicism.
An argument for keeping oldies out of power?

Or perhaps it's because we don't trust what the politicians tell us?

jupiter · Dec 23, 2006, 16:34:52

Quote from: rikbean on Dec 23, 2006, 16:31:43
... or we go back to the Viking way...

Would that be rape and pillage? Not sure I want to be in this club.

Rik · Dec 23, 2006, 16:36:32

Hey, it was fun.

I was thinking more of the 'general assembly'.

jupiter · Dec 23, 2006, 16:40:25

Quote from: rikbean on Dec 23, 2006, 16:36:32
I was thinking more of the 'general assembly'.

They had a general assembly for the rape and pillage? Now there's organisation!

Rik · Dec 25, 2006, 01:18:54

It saved all that travelling - get the victims to assemble in one place...