Terrible speeds, high pings (DoS attack?)

RostokMcSpoons · Dec 28, 2006, 19:12:48

This is a 'heads-up' for anyone having a bad 'net experience at the moment.

There are a couple of threads over at the thinkbroadband.com forums cos it seems a few people are suffering this.... a speedtest result of 0.5mbps (instread of my usual 6mbps), and pings of 400-500ms (to game servers and jolt.co.uk).

I've logged a call on the out-of-hours number.

If it really is a DoS attack, and it's really happened before, and it's going to keep happening... then damnit I'll have to find another ISP. IDnet - I really hope you do something about this - everything so far points to this being an excellent ISP, but I'm after a consistent and good connection at the end of the day.

DorsetBoy · Dec 28, 2006, 19:46:04

If it is a DOS attack it is something that no ISP has any real control over.

Moving ISP will achieve nothing,attacks are made all over the world,on every system at some time.What are you going to do,move each time someone is DOSd?

It is a major holiday and the load is stretching the entire network and that is a time when MAX will slow right down.
My neighbour is complaining that he can't play COD at the moment ,his adsl has almost stopped,he is on a fixed rate line through Tesco( not ADSL Max ) and never usually see slow downs.

There could also be a dozen other problems/line faults /breakdowns that are nothing whatever to with any particular ISP and BT could be struggling to get them fixed with less staff available.

maxping · Dec 28, 2006, 20:11:19

Quote from: RostokMcSpoons on Dec 28, 2006, 19:12:48

If it really is a DoS attack, and it's really happened before, and it's going to keep happening... then damnit I'll have to find another ISP.

You get the drama queen of the week award , well done

old Bill · Dec 28, 2006, 20:24:53

Well the last few nights between 4-7 my speeds dropped down to well below half a meg.

DorsetBoy · Dec 28, 2006, 20:40:59

4-7 pm is the peak time for PC switch on, ADSL Max is affected by the load on your line at any given time.
The fact that you notice a drop at given times over several days could be a line /exchange problem but proves that the DOS theory is nonsense.

AvengerUK · Dec 28, 2006, 20:50:09

RE: Dorestboy

Actually, some ISP's have fall-over's and DoS protected routers (NOTE: These do not stop the attack dead, but when configured and used correctly can help ease the effects..)

DorsetBoy · Dec 28, 2006, 21:04:01

Quote from: AvengerUK on Dec 28, 2006, 20:50:09
RE: Dorestboy

Actually, some ISP's have fall-over's and DoS protected routers (NOTE: These do not stop the attack dead, but when configured and used correctly can help ease the effects..)

Quite correct and no ISP would last a day without full protection on their servers but nothing they do can stop the morons from making the attacks .Blaming an ISP for or moving because of a DOS will not change anything, it could happen anywhere.

If the speed problem was with one ISP and they have unresolved problems that is a different matter,most of us have moved because of problems, but before shouting DOS or ISP fault one needs to sit back and look at the wider picture.

No doubt someone from IDNET will post an answer here before long.

RostokMcSpoons · Dec 28, 2006, 21:31:26

I've been with IDnet for little over a month, and so far it has not been plain sailing. Up to now, it's not been IDnet's fault... and generally I'm very happy with the service. But when I went to search the forums to see if I was the only one suffering tonight, I find mentions of an alleged DoS attack - to be precise that was the reason IDNet allegedly gave for a previous problem. I have no better info than that. I didn't see that 'shouting DoS' was a hangable offence in these parts, I was just trying to share a possible cause with other people. Oh well.

Anyway. If IDnet is frequently being attacked, and can't deflect those attacks and it actually affects my internet access, than I damn well will consider moving, because none of my previous ISP's have ever (that I can recall) used it as an excuse / reason / apology before, in the 8 years I've had broadband. I can't have pings at 500ms happen cos it stops me playing DOD:S, the main reason I connect.

Now if that makes me a 'drama queen' in your eyes, Maxping, well I'd have to call you a 'fan boy' in return. If the service ain't there I'll move on: it's as simple as that. Even if it's not the ISP's fault.

It's a lesson learnt from being 'loyal' to Eclipse for far too long.

Having said that, of course I'm not going to up-sticks

Simon_idnet · Dec 28, 2006, 22:47:26

A customer who hosts a large site with us had a problem with a mis-configured form that allowed spammers to relay through it. A very large volume of spam suddenly started flowing through this server which choked a couple of points on our network until we re-routed and then stemmed the traffic while working with our customer to fix their configuration.
Apologies to anyone affected.
Simon

stevelondon · Dec 28, 2006, 23:47:54

seems ok here

RostokMcSpoons · Dec 29, 2006, 00:22:39

Simon, thanks for the info. Everything is fine here now, glad it's a problem that could get sorted.

To everyone else - I apologise cos the tone of my last email was a little too defensive, and yes the first one might have read as a bit too 'dramatic'. The points I were trying to make I stand by though.... I hope you can understand them.

stevelondon · Dec 29, 2006, 00:28:33

QuoteTo everyone else - I apologise cos the tone of my last email was a little too defensive, and yes the first one might have read as a bit too 'dramatic'. The points I were trying to make I stand by though.... I hope you can understand them.

Don't worry about it mate trouble is most of us are all too used to being with previous ISP's that take months too sort things.

Best wishes for the new year.

drummer · Dec 30, 2006, 02:33:40

Quote from: maxping on Dec 28, 2006, 20:11:19

You get the drama queen of the week award , well done

This response is a classic example of why I don't bother posting on this forum.

The message from simon indicates that the problem was similar to a DoS attack, yet RostokMcSpoons's post was dismissed as the ravings of a drama queen.

Maybe maxping will be big enough to apologise for being so previous...

It would be great if this forum stopped being a chatroom, because yesterday when I suffered the same problems as RostokMcSpoons (dialup speeds and pings of about 400ms), this forum was the last place I thought of looking to for advice or guidance. Not a great recommendation.

If anyone can be ersed to respond to this, try not to be too defensive or personal and maybe keep on-topic. You never know, I might be impressed enough to start posting here again.

RostokMcSpoons · Dec 30, 2006, 02:44:01

Quote from: drummer on Dec 30, 2006, 02:33:40
This response is a classic example of why I don't bother posting on this forum.

The message from simon indicates that the problem was similar to a DoS attack, yet RostokMcSpoons's post was dismissed as the ravings of a drama queen.

Maybe maxping will be big enough to apologise for being so previous...

It would be great if this forum stopped being a chatroom, because yesterday when I suffered the same problems as RostokMcSpoons (dialup speeds and pings of about 400ms), this forum was the last place I thought of looking to for advice or guidance. Not a great recommendation.

If anyone can be ersed to respond to this, try not to be too defensive or personal and maybe keep on-topic. You never know, I might be impressed enough to start posting here again.

I think he thought my comment that I'd leave for another ISP was the dramatic thing. And maybe it was ... a bit. I stand by the comment though - if I don't get the service (even if it's not IDnet's fault) I won't stick around. No-one will shed any tears, the world won't stop spinning etc etc. All I want is a reliable high-speed internet connection. It's simple really

maxping · Dec 31, 2006, 19:31:10

Quote from: drummer on Dec 30, 2006, 02:33:40

Maybe maxping will be big enough to apologise for being so previous...

What have i to apologise for even the OP admits his post was a bit over the top.

maxping · Dec 31, 2006, 19:35:32

Quote from: drummer on Dec 30, 2006, 02:33:40

and maybe keep on-topic. You never know, I might be impressed enough to start posting here again.

So the price of butter well .....................

Rik · Jan 02, 2007, 14:53:10

Personally, I don't like butter, except in cooking. Prefer Flora on bread...

MoHux · Jan 02, 2007, 15:05:02

Quote from: maxping on Dec 31, 2006, 19:35:32
So the price of butter well .....................

I expect that impressed him!!

Nerval · Jan 02, 2007, 15:12:04

Quote from: RostokMcSpoons on Dec 28, 2006, 21:31:26
If the service ain't there I'll move on: it's as simple as that. Even if it's not the ISP's fault.

Right then, so here's my ultimatum to IDNET. If my cats don't eat all their tea today, I'm off to join Orange.

Wot a load of rubbish

Rik · Jan 02, 2007, 15:13:27

Why, are they marmalade cats?

Nerval · Jan 02, 2007, 15:15:38

That's Paddington Bear you're thinking about

It's ferret for tea for them today.
If they can catch him

Rik · Jan 02, 2007, 15:17:52

LOL!

I used to be called Paddington because of my liking for marmalade - either that or people didn't know my real name was Euston!

Is this the same ferret you were stuffing down your trousers on New Year's Eve? He really has upset you, hasn't he...

Nerval · Jan 02, 2007, 15:25:40

No, they met a grisly fate and the cats want to catch their food on the hoof

Rik · Jan 02, 2007, 15:28:02

As long as it was the ferrets and not you...

Nerval · Jan 02, 2007, 15:29:14

thanks to wearing the trusty Reinforced Yorkshire Box during the act

Rik · Jan 02, 2007, 15:42:38

Do you think we're sufficiently off topic yet? 8)

Nerval · Jan 02, 2007, 15:47:18

remind me of the topic and I'll let you know

Rik · Jan 02, 2007, 16:08:01

I was hoping you knew.

Nerval · Jan 02, 2007, 16:14:12

Oh dear!
Anyway, I've looked at the title of the thread and I feel I must say that terrible speeds and high pings are indeed very, and DoS attacks also can and so therefore very much so too.
There, that should bring us back on topic.

Rik · Jan 02, 2007, 16:22:16

What's a topic?

Nerval · Jan 02, 2007, 16:26:53

Nurse, Nurse, who's that nasty man?

Rik · Jan 02, 2007, 16:54:45

I am the Ghost of Hogmanay Past...

maxping · Jan 02, 2007, 18:30:06

Quote from: MoHux on Jan 02, 2007, 15:05:02
I expect that impressed him!!

I do hope so

Rik · Jan 03, 2007, 11:07:28

As in flattened???

maxping · Jan 03, 2007, 22:33:40

Quote from: rikbean on Jan 03, 2007, 11:07:28
As in flattened???

RostokMcSpoons · Jan 04, 2007, 12:37:22

Quote from: Nerval on Jan 02, 2007, 15:12:04
Right then, so here's my ultimatum to IDNET. If my cats don't eat all their tea today, I'm off to join Orange.

Wot a load of rubbish

Thanks for your 'considered' comment

I think I made my explanation perfectly clear. It is NOT an attack on IDnet. It is NOT an attempt to troll you or anyone on these forums. I'll repeat it in the probably pointless hope you'll understand: It IS a simple statement that I'll go to any ISP that gives me a fast and stable connection. I don't want to be sitting on a forum after 6 months of problems hearing excuses why it's someone else's fault... or whatever... I want 6 months of stable internet use. There is no ulterior motive, no conpsiracy theorists lunatic trolling, absolutely nothing beyond that fact.

Nerval · Jan 04, 2007, 13:29:34

Quote from: RostokMcSpoons on Jan 04, 2007, 12:37:22
I'll repeat it in the probably pointless hope you'll understand:

I think we do understand really.
You're frustrated at not getting what you want. And it's easy for us to sit here with stable connections and wonder why you're getting hot and bothered.

My silly comment was simply highlighting the illogicality of leaving an ISP because of a problem that is clearly not the fault of that ISP. It won't take you any nearer a solution, and will simply mean that you have to start the problem resolution all over again with somebody else. If your problem lies beyond the ISP, then you will simply take it with you when you move.

However, if that's what you decide to do, then fine. People aren't the most rational of creatures at the best of times (me included), so why should you be any different.

And many problems seem to get fixed without anybody understanding what's happened, so there's a vague possibility moving might solve it, even if it's nothing to do with the ISP.

Ciao

Meerkat · Jan 04, 2007, 13:38:17

Even though I will be shot down in flames, let me endorse the comments made by Drummer regarding the tone of some of the responses / posters on this forum. Puerile and fatuous come to mind. There appears to be a small clique who insist upon conducting rather silly injoke "chatroom" level of threads, whereas this forum would be better used as a point of constructive assistance or advice to ALL fellow Idnetters. This should not extend to being personal, rude, or ridiculing other posters!

Now await the flaming!

Or maybe I am also being a Drama Queen!

Nerval · Jan 04, 2007, 14:00:06

Trouble Meerkat is that there are not enough real problems on here to make what you suggest a viable option. You've posted about twice a week, I see, and most people have done much less than that.

So if we restrict ourselves purely to On Topic and Serious replies, the forum would not have an awful lot of activity.

If people have a problem, they usually want a quick answer, but there's no incentive for us to keep looking to see if there ARE any problems on a forum with only a couple of posts a day. That's why Max started the games - not because games are a wonderful thing, but to try and instil more activity into the forum. And while we're thinking of Song Names, we also have a look to see if anyone needs help.

As regards the puerile comments, then when a poster makes a daft comment like He'll leave the ISP, even though the problem is not their fault, how would you wish us to take it? Are we supposed to seriously explain to him why that is illogical and not sensible? The "fatuous" comments were intended to be just that, mildly mocking a silly view expressed in the heat of the moment - as the OP himself admitted.

There isn't any abuse or flaming goes on here as far as I know - I wouldn't stay if there was - but obviously the regular posters (even if only game players) will get used to each other's style and modify their posts accordingly. It's not a clique in the usual sense that outsiders aren't welcome. We all repeatedly try and encourage people to join in the forums, but I for one would rather have a lot of non-serious activity than a sterile forum with a couple of posts a day.

Ciao

Rik · Jan 04, 2007, 15:29:36

As someone whose online activity goes back to the mid-80s, I have to echo Nerval's sentiments, and not just because I get on with him.

I used to moderate the Adobe forums on Compuserve. There, we were quick to give support when asked, but we also engaged in a lot of banter and leg pulling. Those forums handled in excess of 2,000 support threads/month, so they were lively in any case, but the banter helped build a camaraderie (which had to extend to many cultures and countries).

This is a much quieter place and, as Nerval points out, without the banter, there would be so few posts that it would wither. I confess I do more serious posting on ThinkBroadband than I do here, because there are more people I can help than inhabit this place. OTOH, I rarely indulge in banter there as the flame level is much higher.

People here, in my experience, generally have a good sense of humour and can take their legs being pulled.

Returning to the original topic, it is impossible to say anything useful to someone bent on switching ISPs when the issue appears to be clearly a BT one. Of course, comms is a dark art, and a switch might just cause things to change. OTOH, it might also land the OP with the same problems and an ISP who isn't interested in solving them.

RostokMcSpoons · Jan 04, 2007, 17:24:16

Oh dear. I'm sorry for reacting strongly again to Nerval's comment. I've not been here long enough to know the tone of this forum. I just felt that I'd explained my position clearly, and felt that Nerval's comment (after I'd already apologised for the tone of my initial post) was stirring, which is why it needled me. Though perhaps I'm getting over-sensitive in my old age.

So anyhow...

Let me make something else clear (cos it's got lost in the semantic discussions on this thread): right now I have NO problems with IDnet, apart from the occasional stalling on hitting some web sites for the first time (detailed in a seperate thread).

I'm with IDnet cos I believe this is the best ISP around, for the money, and I'm intending to be with them for a loooooong time.

Assuming all remains well

Rik · Jan 04, 2007, 17:34:59

I don't think any of us would stay if IDNet became like Nildram, say, so we do understand your position on that.

For the rest, you'll get used to us - but my wife says it takes about 30 years.

Nerval · Jan 04, 2007, 17:53:15

Quote from: RostokMcSpoons on Jan 04, 2007, 17:24:16
Oh dear. I'm sorry for reacting strongly again to Nerval's comment.

Does that mean you'll give me the karma back then? I used to have 27 lol

RostokMcSpoons · Jan 04, 2007, 17:54:22

Quote from: Nerval on Jan 04, 2007, 17:53:15
Does that mean you'll give me the karma back then? I used to have 27 lol

Yes

I'm 'karma' now (har har), but don't think I deserve the 1 I've got - go on, zap it!

maxping · Jan 04, 2007, 18:24:46

Quote from: Meerkat on Jan 04, 2007, 13:38:17

Or maybe I am also being a Drama Queen!

I have already explained my "Drama Queen" comment , if it was out of order one of the Admins would have made a comment, the original poster also agreed he had been a bit over the top in the post saying he would leave.

The forums here in my view work well and serious topics are discussed in a serious manner and rarely go "off topic" , i use other forums where the admins/mods rule with a iron fist and i for one am glad this forum is not one of those.

drummer · Jan 05, 2007, 02:28:35

Quote from: maxping on Jan 04, 2007, 18:24:46
I have already explained my "Drama Queen" comment , if it was out of order one of the Admins would have made a comment, the original poster also agreed he had been a bit over the top in the post saying he would leave.

The forums here in my view work well and serious topics are discussed in a serious manner and rarely go "off topic" , i use other forums where the admins/mods rule with a iron fist and i for one am glad this forum is not one of those.

It was out of order and simply reflected your intolerance of anyone that strays from the IDNet fanboy viewpoint.

Seriously, why on earth would the admins make a comment? After all, it's not their job to agree or disagree with a viewpoint but to ensure no offensive/unlawful comments are allowed in a thread.

I can't speak for the OP but I do get the impression that anything that remotely resembles criticism of IDNet is dismissed out of hand and it might give the casual observer of this forum that you either toe the line or just simply shut up. Or run the risk of being denigrated.

"The forums here in my view work well and serious topics are discussed in a serious manner and rarely go "off topic" Yeah right. Just look at the response to my last post in this thread.

I'm obviously not the flavour of the month on this forum and probably never will be, but I would be much happier if IDNet used this forum first to report problems instead of thinkbroadband. Does that not strike anyone as odd that they should do this?

Sure I'm a stroppy git and always will be, but this forum needs a kick up the backside if it wants to be taken seriously and I'm happy to take the brickbats if it achieves that end.

If the object of this forum isn't to be taken seriously at all, then I've totally missed the point.

For the record, I'm an IDNet fanboy but it doesn't inhibit my critical faculties.

Nerval · Jan 05, 2007, 08:04:22

Quote from: drummer on Jan 05, 2007, 02:28:35
I would be much happier if IDNet used this forum first to report problems instead of thinkbroadband. Does that not strike anyone as odd that they should do this?

Hi drummer
That's a good point, and one which I've been concerned about. Plusnet, despite having a huge forum of their own, used to do the same thing, and deny that they did it. I never liked AG so usually waited for some other forum member to post the latest news across from AG.

As far as I can tell, the ISPs regard AG as their public face since it seems to be the de facto industry place to go for broadband news etc, and so they don't want to give an in-house forum preference.
That's not how I would do it, but then I don't know their thinking, only guessing, and it's not just IDNet but all the ISPs who do it that way.

Simon may care to comment, but may not.

Your other points - I too have noticed that you have to be careful how you phrase potential criticisms of IDNet for fear of being jumped on, but then many people automatically blame the ISP for many things that are obviously not their fault.
But I also find that sensibly worded complaints are treated sensibly here, and genuine attempts are made to help with problems.

With a couple of posts a week to your credit though, I don't think you're really in a position to dictate how you want the forum run , and as Max says, those of us who use it regularly quite like the way things are.

ps AG= think broadband.

Lance · Jan 05, 2007, 13:34:09

Quote from: Nerval on Jan 05, 2007, 08:04:22
With a couple of posts a week to your credit though, I don't think you're really in a position to dictate how you want the forum run , and as Max says, those of us who use it regularly quite like the way things are.

I have to agree with Nerval here, Although i do not post much (either little time to do so or usually Rik or Nerval have beaten me to it!

) i am a very regular reader and i have to say its great to be able to post on a forum which has a serious streak in it when needed, such as help to others, but is quite relaxed and friendly overall.

Just my five cents worth...

Lance

Rik · Jan 05, 2007, 14:05:01

I agree with your sentiments and only get in first because I have way too much time on my hands.

quandam · Jan 05, 2007, 17:57:02

Quote from: drummer on Dec 30, 2006, 02:33:40
This response is a classic example of why I don't bother posting on this forum.

The message from simon indicates that the problem was similar to a DoS attack, yet RostokMcSpoons's post was dismissed as the ravings of a drama queen.

Maybe maxping will be big enough to apologise for being so previous...

It would be great if this forum stopped being a chatroom, because yesterday when I suffered the same problems as RostokMcSpoons (dialup speeds and pings of about 400ms), this forum was the last place I thought of looking to for advice or guidance. Not a great recommendation.

If anyone can be ersed to respond to this, try not to be too defensive or personal and maybe keep on-topic. You never know, I might be impressed enough to start posting here again.

Drummer, agree with all you say. Unfortunately our 'know all' moderator has not completed the course at his/her finishing school and still persists in making rude and unwise comments to posts which should not be made by someone in his/her presumed position of trust and respect.

I am afraid that some of his/her comments have contributed to the nickname of 'ID Nutters' on other forums which really is a shame for IDnet and their sincere efforts to offer a supreme service to its customers.

One can only describe many of his/her comments as coming from someone who has an unfortunate manner and most definitely an unfortunate way with words when replying to some posts.

quandam · Jan 05, 2007, 18:01:42

Quote from: drummer on Jan 05, 2007, 02:28:35
It was out of order and simply reflected your intolerance of anyone that strays from the IDNet fanboy viewpoint.

Seriously, why on earth would the admins make a comment? After all, it's not their job to agree or disagree with a viewpoint but to ensure no offensive/unlawful comments are allowed in a thread.

I can't speak for the OP but I do get the impression that anything that remotely resembles criticism of IDNet is dismissed out of hand and it might give the casual observer of this forum that you either toe the line or just simply shut up. Or run the risk of being denigrated.

"The forums here in my view work well and serious topics are discussed in a serious manner and rarely go "off topic" Yeah right. Just look at the response to my last post in this thread.

I'm obviously not the flavour of the month on this forum and probably never will be, but I would be much happier if IDNet used this forum first to report problems instead of thinkbroadband. Does that not strike anyone as odd that they should do this?

Sure I'm a stroppy git and always will be, but this forum needs a kick up the backside if it wants to be taken seriously and I'm happy to take the brickbats if it achieves that end.

If the object of this forum isn't to be taken seriously at all, then I've totally missed the point.

For the record, I'm an IDNet fanboy but it doesn't inhibit my critical faculties.

Once again Drummer, agree entirely.....you have got it dead right!! If the forum continues in this vein the nickname 'IDnutters' will become linked to a superb ISP......they (regular contributors) have not realised this fact as yet.

maxping · Jan 05, 2007, 18:09:17

Quote from: drummer on Jan 05, 2007, 02:28:35
It was out of order and simply reflected your intolerance of anyone that strays from the IDNet fanboy viewpoint.

You take these forums far too seriously!

QuoteSeriously, why on earth would the admins make a comment? After all, it's not their job to agree or disagree with a viewpoint but to ensure no offencive/unlawful comments are allowed in a thread.

If the mods/admins shared your view on my reply i am sure one would have stepped in to calm the situation down before it got into a slanging match.

Quote
I can't speak for the OP but I do get the impression that anything that remotely resembles criticism of IDNet is dismissed out of hand and it might give the casual observer of this forum that you either toe the line or just simply shut up. Or run the risk of being denigrated.

Have a look at the famous "Ping" thread and you will see when things go bad we "fanboys" are only too happy to have a moan.

Quoteserious topics are discussed in a serious manner and rarely go "off topic"[/"The forums here in my view work well and serious topics are discussed in a serious manner and rarely go "off topic"

Yeah right. Just look at the response to my last post in this thread.

OK i should have said - "other than your posts serious topics are discussed in a serious manner and rarely go "off topic"

QuoteI'm obviously not the flavour of the month on this forum and probably never will be, but I would be much happier if IDNet used this forum first to report problems instead of thinkbroadband. Does that not strike anyone as odd that they should do this?

Not really we have 355 members of which i would guess only 20 regularly visit , TB have thousands of users and to compare have 225 users online (though I'm not saying they are all in the IDNet forum) as i type this we have 3.

QuoteSure I'm a stroppy git and always will be, but this forum needs a kick up the backside if it wants to be taken seriously and I'm happy to take the brickbats if it achieves that end.
If the object of this forum isn't to be taken seriously at all, then I've totally missed the point.

As i have already said, the majority of "serious" threads are treated as such, i think the forums work and do not need to change.
This of course is my view but i think you will find the majority will agree with it.

maxping · Jan 05, 2007, 18:16:50

Quote from: quandam on Jan 05, 2007, 17:57:02
Drummer, agree with all you say. Unfortunately our 'know all' moderator

When have i ever said i know everything?

QuoteI am afraid that some of his/her comments have contributed to the nickname of 'ID Nutters' on other forums

Links?

QuoteOne can only describe many of his/her comments as coming from someone who has an unfortunate manner and most definitely an unfortunate way with words when replying to some posts.

One really should get out more

quandam · Jan 05, 2007, 18:37:00

Quote from Maxping> Not really we have 355 members of which i would guess only 20 regularly visit <

The majority of this 'only 20' are using the fourm as a chatroom/joke room and are not helping with the promotion of a superb ISP who deserves far more from a forum than they are receiving at present.

I strongly feel that the forum is not helping to promote an excellent ISP in the proper manner, in fact with its schoolboy input it is putting potential customers off.

Whilst you may disagree with these comments, I urge you to take them on board and hopefully contribute to the successful promotion of an excellent ISP.

maxping · Jan 05, 2007, 19:07:04

Quote from: quandam on Jan 05, 2007, 18:37:00

The majority of this 'only 20' are using the form as a chatroom/joke room and are not helping with the promotion of a superb ISP who deserves far more from a forum than they are receiving at present.

Lets be honest 90% of users who sign up to forums do so to ask maybe one or two specific questions , once they have the answers they have no reason to keep visiting. This is the reason i introduced the word games, my theory being that after asking the questions and receiving the answers (as mentioned above) they may come back from time to time to join in the games.

QuoteI strongly feel that the forum is not helping to promote an excellent ISP in the proper manner, in fact with its schoolboy input it is putting potential customers off.

Where is your proof ?
As i keep saying the majority of threads are treated seriously and stay on topic ,i think you are making a mountain out of a mole hill.

QuoteWhilst you may disagree with these comments, I urge you to take them on board and hopefully contribute to the successful promotion of an excellent ISP.

I totally disagree with your comments, you keep banging on about us being called idnutters in other forums and the "fact" that the forums here are working against idnet and not for them as they should, where is your proof , i asked for this in my last reply and you have conveniently chosen to ignore it.

I honestly think you are nothing more than a s**t stirrer and have no real interest in the forums other than to use them to pick arguments.

I think *YOU* should realise *YOU* are in a minority of 2 here who think the forums need to change therefore nothing is going to change and as i have said countless times in my view nothing needs to.

The Admins do not rule with a iron fist but do get involved when they feel its necessary ,obviously they do not think things need to change.

AvengerUK · Jan 05, 2007, 19:57:21

Quote from: quandam on Jan 05, 2007, 18:37:00
Quote from Maxping>
in fact with its schoolboy input it is putting potential customers off.

Actually, i dont see any "schoolboy input". And, further more, forums have the specific use of a "chatroom" - in the context of being used to talk about current issues that some users may have with the ISP - as every one does occasionally no matter who they are with.

I do agree however, some threads get a "overload" of useless information - and quickly goes off topic.

cavillas · Jan 05, 2007, 20:13:41

Quote from: AvengerUK on Jan 05, 2007, 19:57:21
Actually, i dont see any "schoolboy input". And, further more, forums have the specific use of a "chatroom" - in the context of being used to talk about current issues that some users may have with the ISP - as every one does occasionally no matter who they are with.

I do agree however, some threads get a "overload" of useless information - and quickly goes off topic.

Yeh! Great innit.

After a problem is addressed then it becomes much more fun to go off topic, IDNet are never denegrated on this board or AG (TB). If this board becomes nothing but a serious discussion board then even fewer people will visit it. Life is far too short and troublesome to become serious.

stevelondon · Jan 05, 2007, 20:31:26

For cying out loud you lot give it a rest if someone dont like a thread dont answer it i cant see what the problem is.
I honestly cant believe some of this wasnt gonna bother posting anything here but it just goes on and on

GIVE IT A REST.

Nerval · Jan 05, 2007, 20:56:28

Well said stevelondon.

mrapoc · Jan 05, 2007, 21:22:35

Ok guys, I don't know whether this has come from "being here since the start" or whatever but this argueing/flaming whatever needs to stop even if it means locking the thread.

I agree with both parties...Sure its a support forum and such support threads could do without the off topic remarks etc. as it not only annoys some members, it also takes up bandwidth and storage space

But seriously we do still need some off topic chats or else this forum would not be used. A unused forum is a forum about to be closed im afraid. So lets keep the light heartedness as this was and always will be a friendly community to help eachother out with whatever problems lie before us - newbies and veterans.

So in conclusion i ask that this thread be closed as long as its creator is satisfied

RostokMcSpoons · Jan 05, 2007, 21:30:36

Quote from: mrapoc on Jan 05, 2007, 21:22:35So in conclusion i ask that this thread be closed as long as its creator is satisfied

It's ok by me...

mrapoc · Jan 05, 2007, 21:35:26

Max? Scott? Adam?

Nerval · Jan 05, 2007, 21:41:45

Patience, Grasshopper

maxping · Jan 05, 2007, 22:07:00

Quote from: mrapoc on Jan 05, 2007, 21:35:26
Max? Scott? Adam?

Sorry i cannot lock it i only have the options in the gaming forum.

mrapoc · Jan 05, 2007, 23:44:30

meh lets just leave it to slowly die away

drummer · Jan 06, 2007, 00:28:24

Quote from: mrapoc on Jan 05, 2007, 23:44:30
meh lets just leave it to slowly die away

Are you serious?

And other calls for the thread to be locked? Well, really!

Great responses from everyone and an indication that this forum may be a source of serious discussion as well as somewhere to have a laugh.

As IDNet don't have an official outlet, this forum needs to reflect the views of all subscribers and not just those of the people that administer it. That's not a criticism BTW as "official" forums can be a bit stifling, but search as I may, I can't find a sticky called Forum Rules anywhere.

Theoretically, I could suggest that someone@anywhere is actually a murderer and I wouldn't be in breach of the forum rules because I can't find the rules. On the other hand, I would certainly be in breach of UK libel laws and this forum could be held liable because it "allowed" me to air that view.

Food for thought perhaps, but I remain optimistic about this forum, even though I'm in a minority of two.

Good stuff - keep it up.

maxping · Jan 06, 2007, 00:56:59

Quote from: drummer on Jan 06, 2007, 00:28:24

I can't find a sticky called Forum Rules anywhere.

Theoretically, I could suggest that someone@anywhere is actually a murderer and I wouldn't be in breach of the forum rules because I can't find the rules. On the other hand, I would certainly be in breach of UK libel laws and this forum could be held liable because it "allowed" me to air that view.

Food for thought perhaps, but I remain optimistic about this forum, even though I'm in a minority of two.

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mrapoc · Jan 06, 2007, 11:09:49

Well perhaps if you want to "discuss" something you should make your own thread which has a title regarding your issue, and not use somebody elses? I mean you were the one against going off thread were you not?

I thought it was time to lock it due to the fact
a) Its gone totally off thread and the creator is satisfied
b) I and others can't stand all this argueing, its actually damaging the community

So how about you create a thread, in say, Rant and Raves? About how you think this succesful community ran forum is not functioning correctly?

Or we could stop argueing, but our troubles to rest and accept the personality of some of our members (most of which have been around for a long time and I have grown to like). Perhaps you don't like posting here much as you don't like the way its running?

Yet again I request you create a thread in rant and raves, dedicated to your issue and we will try to sort it

As it is a growing community and we don't want to hack anyone off

stevelondon · Jan 06, 2007, 18:45:20

QuoteAre you serious?

And other calls for the thread to be locked? Well, really! Tongue

Great responses from everyone and an indication that this forum may be a source of serious discussion as well as somewhere to have a laugh.

As IDNet don't have an official outlet, this forum needs to reflect the views of all subscribers and not just those of the people that administer it. That's not a criticism BTW as "official" forums can be a bit stifling, but search as I may, I can't find a sticky called Forum Rules anywhere.

Theoretically, I could suggest that someone@anywhere is actually a murderer and I wouldn't be in breach of the forum rules because I can't find the rules. On the other hand, I would certainly be in breach of UK libel laws and this forum could be held liable because it "allowed" me to air that view.

Food for thought perhaps, but I remain optimistic about this forum, even though I'm in a minority of two. laugh

Good stuff - keep it up.

I have looked back at previous posts im wondering why some insist on keep stirring things up it seems as soon as some sort of argument starts the same people come in here that hardly ever post in here only come in and post well i for one will ignore this thread from now on because its totally ridiculous with people that only come in and post to stir things up.
Now watch the same people come in and start lol

maxping · Jan 06, 2007, 18:50:57

Steve they will say they are not regular posters because of the way the boards have been moderated (or not as they say).

stevelondon · Jan 06, 2007, 18:57:52

Its nuffin to do with moderating what is there to moderate? apart from the people that like to come in and stir when theirs any trouble they probably do it on other forums its ridiculous i saw a post where it was insinuated regulars put others off posting here well that person would be top of my list to ban its commonly known as stirring seeings that person hardly posts in here anyway. Just seems strange why it would even bother them.
Thanks max for your feedback.