Ubuntu 8.10

kinmel · Nov 18, 2008, 18:09:16

Quote from: stevethegas on Nov 18, 2008, 17:38:44
Thanks Alan I will give this a go seems fairly straight forward. Just wondering what the downside is of installing it this way as opposed to utilising another partition or harddrive.

There is NO downside !

With a Wubi install, Ubuntu is the only O.S. running when selected at boot up and so you get the "full" experience for your hardware, any P.C. that runs Vista at all will run U8.10 brilliantly

Cookie · Nov 18, 2008, 20:24:13

If all you want to do is try out a different operating system, I'd recommend using Virtualbox from Sun. It's a free download from http://www.virtualbox.org/. I'm using it to run Fedora 9 as a guest operating system from Windows Vista host (with no problems so far

). One feature I find particularly useful is the ability to take a snapshot before applying patches to Fedora - this allows me to role back any changes if it all goes pear shaped

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Martin Cookson.

Lance · Nov 18, 2008, 20:42:43

Thanks for that, Martin! Useful advice.

kinmel · Nov 18, 2008, 21:01:04

Quote from: Cookie on Nov 18, 2008, 20:24:13
If all you want to do is try out a different operating system, I'd recommend using Virtualbox from Sun. It's a free download from http://www.virtualbox.org/. I'm using it to run Fedora 9 as a guest operating system from Windows Vista host (with no problems so far ). One feature I find particularly useful is the ability to take a snapshot before applying patches to Fedora - this allows me to role back any changes if it all goes pear shaped .

Martin Cookson.

Thats's good advice if the PC hardware is not stressed by Vista alone, but you will not get the full performance if your PC is struggling to run Vista and Virtualbox and Ubuntu, all in a less than ideal environment.

Steve · Nov 18, 2008, 21:44:45

Was going to try Wubi tonight but she who must had other ideas

Cookie · Nov 18, 2008, 22:03:01

Quote from: kinmel on Nov 18, 2008, 21:01:04
Thats's good advice if the PC hardware is not stressed by Vista alone, but you will not get the full performance if your PC is struggling to run Vista and Virtualbox and Ubuntu, all in a less than ideal environment.

Good point - although if the PC is struggling to run Vista and nothing else, perhaps it's time to downgrade to XP

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kinmel · Nov 18, 2008, 22:39:39

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Quote from: Cookie on Nov 18, 2008, 22:03:01
Good point - although if the PC is struggling to run Vista and nothing else, perhaps it's time to downgrade to XP .

Personally, if I only wanted to test an update I would test the update inside Virtualbox on an Linux host.

At least you would know the problems were not caused by Windows

Steve · Nov 19, 2008, 07:36:55

Quote from: kinmel on Nov 18, 2008, 22:39:39
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Personally, if I only wanted to test an update I would test the update inside Virtualbox on an Linux host.

At least you would know the problems were not caused by Windows

So in this scenario you have the host and guest possibly as the same OS? and the guest is an update checker before applying them to the host?

kinmel · Nov 19, 2008, 08:24:10

Quote from: stevethegas on Nov 19, 2008, 07:36:55
So in this scenario you have the host and guest possibly as the same OS? and the guest is an update checker before applying them to the host?

Yes,, but it is all a bit extreme and I imagine very few non-commercial installations are that serious about update testing.

After all none of us do it when updating Windows and I trust Linux updates more than those for Windows.

Ubuntu's modules are under constant development and are released as soon as ready, so Ubuntu and it's applications have a constant stream of updates between the 6 monthly upgrade versions and virtually all of the incremental changes have actually been on machines for months.

I know I sound like an Ubuntu fanboy, but I am not !

All my machines, except my servers, first boot to Windows XP, the system I am most comfortable working with, however Ubuntu is set to dual boot on 3 PCs and i am trying to master Ubuntu without falling back to it's command line - that's a work in progress

Steve · Nov 19, 2008, 09:55:18

Thanks Alan,have you used Wubi? I understand it runs on a virtual disk allegedly with minimal performance hit.I see you can then move this installation to its own partition etc if you wish.

kinmel · Nov 19, 2008, 11:40:11

Quote from: stevethegas on Nov 19, 2008, 09:55:18
Thanks Alan,have you used Wubi? I understand it runs on a virtual disk allegedly with minimal performance hit.I see you can then move this installation to its own partition etc if you wish.

Yes 2 of my pcs have Ubuntu through Wubi; a Wubi install avoids the need for disk partitioning and is therefore the best way for people to try it out.

There is no performance hit and many people always run Ubuntu from their Wubi setup. There is probably no gain from changing to a traditional installation

I would definitely start with a Wubi install

Steve · Nov 19, 2008, 11:50:13

Sebby · Nov 19, 2008, 13:17:06

I'm going to give this Wubi a try tonight.

Steve · Nov 19, 2008, 13:25:11

Same here! Not expecting too much of a distraction from the football.

Sebby · Nov 19, 2008, 21:38:28

I gave it a try, but unfortunately, software RAID is not support yet. On the forum it says a version that supports it should be out in October.

Steve · Nov 19, 2008, 22:06:38

I managed to install it without any issues despite the football yes we won 2-1. Now what do I do with it? Tried to find my WHS shares can't see them at the moment

who's hardy heron, samba and gutsy. its a whole new ball game.

I will say it one thing it feels no quicker than vista

Sebby · Nov 19, 2008, 22:28:21

I always did find Ubuntu slow.

Hardy Heron is the name for Ubuntu 8.04 I think, and Gutsy Gibbon for Ubuntu 7.10. Samba... have a look here.

Steve · Nov 19, 2008, 22:40:13

I was after all using SAMBA to view my network shares,succeeded with vista and xp but not the whs probably something to do with users and permissions but it does not produce a logon prompt either. I will have to try and debug this

its a whole new world, slackware gentoo what next.

kinmel · Nov 19, 2008, 23:07:37

Quote from: stevethegas on Nov 19, 2008, 22:40:13
I will have to try and debug this its a whole new world,

A whole new world of hurt

Takes you right back to the first time you saw Windows.

They say the 10th install goes very smoothly

Welcome to Ubuntu, you will enjoy the challenge of mapping your new world.

Steve · Nov 20, 2008, 12:17:02

Well I am now on the 3rd install of ubuntu 8.1. I decided to give ubuntu its own hard drive. Uninstalled in a flash and installed EasyBCD as the boot manager in Vista.. Should have read the instructions at this stage.
Restarted with ubuntu live cd and installed flawlessly however managed to alter the MBR of vista by putting something call grub or whatever on the wrong drive.

However back into vista restored vista MBR using EasyBCD deleted the ubuntu partitions on the other hard drive and started again. Read the instructions this time, partitioned the intended drive manually including a swap partition and told it where to put grub this time.

Restarted in vista and told Easybcd where to look for Linux,and dual boot Vista and Ubuntu sorted. I could have left it as is after the second install but wanted to use Easybcd as a vista multiboot loader

Only annoying issue at present is not being able to browse WHS shares from ubuntu. I can access them but have to type in the full path i.e smb://whs-server/music. I think?? its a known bug. gvfs?

Rik · Nov 20, 2008, 12:20:29

I need subtitles.

Steve · Nov 20, 2008, 12:35:18

I need to get back to work!!!

However its very user friendly unlike MS i.e media codecs no annoying unsupported file prompts. It goes and looks for a codec pack on the internet and asks you if you would like to download it.

Rik · Nov 20, 2008, 12:37:11

Work!!! That word normally attracts a ban, Steve.

Sebby · Nov 20, 2008, 13:11:39

I know what you're saying, Steve, but I don't know the answer!

kinmel · Nov 20, 2008, 14:41:57

Quote from: stevethegas on Nov 20, 2008, 12:17:02

Only annoying issue at present is not being able to browse WHS shares from ubuntu. I can access them but have to type in the full path i.e smb://whs-server/music. I think?? its a known bug. gvfs?

I don't use WHS but a look round found this post elsewhere ...

How are you mounting the share? I mount my WHS shares all the time from Linux boxes and have never had a problem. You are mounting the share and not the D: drive directly right? The command I use is:

mount -t -cifs -o username=<username>,password=<password> //<ipaddress>/Music /mnt/music

Of course the /mnt/music directory has to be created first. Also if you have DNS working or have modified your hosts file you could use the name in place of the IP address.

I have no idea if that helps, or is even coherent