Hi, another newbie here

[knock]

Hi all, recent defector from Nildram (One of many it seems...) I've been looking around trying to work out what's what and tried the BT speedtester to ascertain what I could get speedwise and got this....

Test1 comprises of Best Effort Test:  -provides background information.
    IP profile for your line is - 2000 kbps
    DSL connection rate: 832 kbps(UP-STREAM)  6272 kbps(DOWN-STREAM)
    Actual IP throughput achieved during the test was - 1885 kbps

Anyone able to explain why my connection rate is so much higher than my profile rate

TIA

Andy

[AvengerUK]

Are you in your 10 day maxing period?

[knock]

I am but I'm not regrading to max the only change is higher upload. Would that put me into another training period?

Line stats are below, they are pretty much the same as they were before (If memory serves)

Status      No Defect          
   
Downstream       Upstream
      
Data rate (Kbps)    
6272    832
      
Noise margin (dB)    
11.7    11.0
         
Output power (dBm)    
19.8    12.5
         
Attenuation (dB)    
27.0    13.0

To my limited knowledge 2000 Kbps seems low for those stats and unusual so see a base 10 number crop up....

[AvengerUK]

Yes, 2000kbs is a bit low for those stats!

You might be in another training period - although i dont know myself, someone else will tell you ive no doubt

Otherwise it may be the case of the recent bad weather, which means you just have to leave your connection alone (so its stable) for 3 days or so.

[knock]

If I'm in training it's not a problem but my concern is the profile speed might have been set by the previous ISP?

Something else I feel I should mention is that after making the change it's like a whole new internet with IDnet, quick responsive and streaming media doesn't constantly buffer 

Be nice to know if there is more potential to unlock though

[Lance]

means you just have to leave your connection alone (so its stable) for 3 days or so.

just what i was going to suggest!

[Inactive]

Hi Knock, and welcome aboard.. 

[knock]

Only just joined and people are trying to get me to not post on here



I'm off to work for the weekend so not touching it for 3 days won't be a problem. Support are ringing me back tomorrow so I'll check it's nothing their end before I leave..

Thanks for the welcome

[MoHux]

Knock when you come back!! 

[knock]

Spoke to support and they say I am in the training period so it's a waiting game. Resynced my router this morning and it's up at 6.8mbit so fingers crossed my connection has a bit more to give than the 2mbits it's on now

[Inactive]

Fingers crossed for you knock.. 

[Nerval]

my concern is the profile speed might have been set by the previous ISP?

Don't worry, the rate adaptation with Max is ongoing, so provided you stay synched at 6.8 for three days, you'll get a Profile speed of 6Mb and your actual downloads will be somewhere between 5.5 and 5.9Mb.

You might like to have a look at this post by James.  He explains how the thing works - but basically Max constantly monitors your sync rate and adjusts to falls in sync within a couple of hours, and adjusts to rises in sync after three days. Doesn't matter what you did with your previous ISP.

[cavillas]

Knock. Knock.

Who's here?
Knock 

[sallyandjames]

Knock who?

[Nerval]

Pardon?

[cavillas]

Granted

[Rik]

Hey guys, knock it off.

[sallyandjames]

knock what off?

[Nerval]

Do they still do Knock for Knock?

[Rik]

Nowadays it's ring for ring!  8)

[knock]

Knock who?

Either I know you from a different forum or I know the guy who you are hotlinking you sig/av from

Just had a snap power cut and the router has resynced at 6.5 and according to the succession of links I followed I am under the threshold for the 6000 profile I now seemed to have acquired! Any tips for a higher resync other than do it in the early morning?

Did a speedtest or 3 and this is the best....

Download Speed: 5483 kbps (685.4 KB/sec transfer rate)
Upload Speed: 668 kbps (83.5 KB/sec transfer rate)

Not done any optimising on the connection so if it stays like this and maybe even gives a bit more with some tweaks obviously I'll be very happy

[knock]

Don't worry, the rate adaptation with Max is ongoing, so provided you stay synched at 6.8 for three days, you'll get a Profile speed of 6Mb and your actual downloads will be somewhere between 5.5 and 5.9Mb.

You might like to have a look at this post by James.  He explains how the thing works - but basically Max constantly monitors your sync rate and adjusts to falls in sync within a couple of hours, and adjusts to rises in sync after three days. Doesn't matter what you did with your previous ISP.

Missed that in all the humour, thanks for the info 

[Nerval]

Any tips for a higher resync other than do it in the early morning?

No, do it in the early morning 

You from Plusnet then?

[sallyandjames]

Nerv is an Ex Plusnet customer - I'm a current one.

Don't know the guy whose avatar and sig I used, and he doesn't give his name on his site so its hard to credit him.

His site is http://www.prism.gatech.edu/~gtg818f if anybody cares....

[knock]

No, do it in the early morning 

You from Plusnet then?

Pants won't be able to do that for a couple of days.

Ex F2S and Nildram so been a victim of Pipex's buyouts twice, hope I'm not on for a hatrick!

Don't know the guy whose avatar and sig I used, and he doesn't give his name on his site so its hard to credit him.

I know he was never that bothered about it being used in the past. Only asked as I've not been on the same forum as him for a year or two though, didn't know if he had relocated to blighty!

[Nerval]

If you're away for a couple of days, you've nothing to lose by trying rebooting the router now as you can try a couple of times and may get over the magic 6800.  Then you can just leave it on till you get back.

More chance now than this evening.

[knock]

Ok, I'm going to be mostly annoying my MSN contacts for the next however long it takes

[Nerval]

Blame IDNet if they complain.   
Or even better, blame Plusnet cos they probly deserve it.

[knock]

stuck around 6.6/6.7 after 10 goes, might just unplug the thing while I'm away and start from scratch with a dawn raid....

What time is best getting home from a night out morning or getting up with the sparrow morning?

[Nerval]

Sparrow - 7ish is normally best for me.

[Rik]

Hey Knock, I'm another Nildram refugee, welcome fellow traveller... 

[sallyandjames]

The best time to do it really, depends on many factors if you want to get a high sync speed, sadly though, getting the highest possible sync speed may be a bad thing.

Consider if you will, the best way to get a high sync speed - you need to connect to the exchange at a time when there is least interferance on the cable between your house and the exchange.
This could be early morning, but beware of peoples central heating coming on etc that could add RF noise.Oh, beware of street lights too....
Also in the morning there's a good chance of condensation affecting the connectors, so perhaps afternoon is better...
Except people could be talking on their phones causing crosstalk interferance.. and they could still all have their heating on... then its dark again.

OK. Not helping any, but supposing you could find a way to define what the best time of day is (remember it makes no difference how busy the 'net is, because the sync speed is ONLY based upon your connection to the exchange, you don't have to be logged in to your ISP to get sync with the exchange)
Back to best time of day, in terms of finding a period with least noise/interferance:

Supposing you get sync @6800 with an SNR of 6db. Then conditions change, your SNR drops, you lose sync.
Blip logic will drop your profile, and repeated occurances could increase your target SNR, meaning even lower sync rates.

The BEST time to connect then is when there is most noise about, then you'll get an accurate profile, which will be more tolerant, and less likely to stitch you up over a minor rise in noise.


Also, the 10 tries you've had, I presume you told the router to disconnect from IDNet before pulling the plug?
When you tell it to disconnect, it sends a signal to the exchange to let it know that the disconnection is intentional. Pulling the plug however, could be recognised as sync loss, meaning lover sync speeds.

Just reboot once every few days for the rest of your life, and you'll be fine.

[Rik]

The BEST time to connect then is when there is most noise about, then you'll get an accurate profile, which will be more tolerant, and less likely to stitch you up over a minor rise in noise.

Have to agree with you there, getting the highest possible sync speed which cannot be sustained tends to be a pain in the longer run.

[Nerval]

On the other hand:
I've been synched at a speed that JUST gives me 5Mb for the last week.
If the router powers off in the afternoon or evening, it resynchs at a speed that gives me 4.5Mb, so I'd have to reboot it the next morning.

Meanwhile my router maintains the sync with no trouble.

Of course, I can't actually tell the difference between the two rates anyway other than on a speed test, it's more a macho thing that I want the fastest I can get.

[Rik]

If you need machismo, then chew on a jalapino pepper. 

[maxping]

When you say resyncs do you mean the value thats showing in the routers set up (for want of a better word) or do you mean the speed test result  

As you know i turn my modem/router off when its not in use so basically its off all night and at the weekends if i use the pc in the morning and then go out for the afternoon i will turn it off.

I have never noticed a speed drop and always sync at 8120 or higher.

                  Downstream      Upstream    
 SNR Margin           : 10.5     14.0  db
 Line Attenuation   : 18.5     8.5  db
 Data Rate             : 8128    832  kbps

[Rik]

With those attenuation and noise figures, you should never see anything less than 8128. I, however, have to live with 54db attenuation, and teeter between a 2500 and a 3000 profile as my sync is on the boundary between the two. OTOH, my neighbour has 62db attenuation and a fixed 512k service...

[Nerval]

It's what shows on yours as the Data Rate.
That determines your profile speed, which in turn determines your speed test results.
You just have an absurdly good line, that's all.

[Rik]

I think the word is sickeningly...

[Nerval]

Yes Rik, but I'm sure there must be something of yours that HE'd be envious of lol 

[MoHux]

............ Also, the 10 tries you've had, I presume you told the router to disconnect from IDNet before pulling the plug?
When you tell it to disconnect, it sends a signal to the exchange to let it know that the disconnection is intentional. Pulling the plug however, could be recognised as sync loss, meaning lover sync speeds.

But surely the point of doing it is for him to re-sync'?  If he tells them to d/connect it won't re-sync' up or down! 

[Nerval]

it will when he turns it on again

[Rik]

Yes Rik, but I'm sure there must be something of yours that HE'd be envious of lol 

Possibly my sporran? 

[Rik]

But surely the point of doing it is for him to re-sync'?  If he tells them to d/connect it won't re-sync' up or down! 

Re-connecting causes a sync event, the point of the dying gasp disconnection is so that the line doesn't see it as instability.

[sallyandjames]

Presactly!

If its thinks its instabilty, then thats BAAAD

If it see's it as a disconnect before the power goes off, then it knows its nothing to worry aboot

[Rik]

Or even re-boot... 

[maxping]

You just have an absurdly good line, that's all.

I don't know if this has any bearing on it but my line from house to pole got damaged by a builder approx 2 years ago and was replaced by BT.
I live quite far from the exchange so i guess its the new line thats making the connection fast.

[maxping]

Yes Rik, but I'm sure there must be something of yours that HE'd be envious of lol 

I wouldn't mind his knowledge  of how the WWW actually works, when people start talking centrals and gateways they might as well be talking in another language. 

[Nerval]

Remember Max, most of the time he's bluffing   

Must go and open my gateway now, my wife's due home lol

[maxping]

Put a  long coat on you don't want the wind blowing up your centrals. 

[stevelondon]

Hi Knock and welcome to idnet from me too 

[knock]

Me again 

After leaving it connected for a few days at 68XX my profile now says it's at 6000 and just did a speed test and got this



So I'm happy now, going to mess around with the MTU and suchlike now 

[Rik]

You only posted that to make me jealous, didn't you. 

[maxping]

You only posted that to make me jealous, didn't you. 

Now I'm going to make you really jealous 

[knock]

You only posted that to make me jealous, didn't you. 

Well I do have to get some delight from living in hicksville and getting a better connection than a lot of city folk!

It's all gone bad at the moment can't do anything with it, I can sync (10:00 seems to be the best time to do it and I can hit 57xx+ kbps most of the day)  but I can't connect at the moment, I'm going to blame my hardware and look to upgrade but that's a whole new post....


Maxping what's that in kB/s? Looks awesome 

[Rik]

Am I missing something here (other than a decent phone line, that is), but that is in kbps, so divide by 8.

[knock]

Am I missing something here (other than a decent phone line, that is), but that is in kbps, so divide by 8.

Course it is stupid me 

[Rik]

It's OK, I do it all the time, see here.