21cn at my exchange

Started by stevenrw, Jan 15, 2009, 15:40:39

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stevenrw

According to SamKnows, my exchange is upgrading in the near future
"BT Wholesale WBC have updated the enablement date for the Purley exchange to 31/01/2009 (Was previously 28/02/2009) "

What does that mean for me in practical terms as an IDnet user (Homelite)?

Rik

It means that, once IDNet's gigabit Hostlink goes live (soon), you will be able to volunteer to switch to the WBC-based service, Steve. Depending on your stats, that could mean significant speed increases. I don't know how the new packages will be priced yet, ie whether there will be a different set of packages for the up to 24Mbps connections.
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Sebby

If you post your line stats, we could give you an idea of the speeds you could potentially achieve on the new platform. :)

stevenrw

Sebby
I normally just use the "Think Broadband" speed tester. Does this give you the level of detail you need?

Rik

No, we need the information from your router, specifically sync speed, attenuation and noise margin. :)
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stevenrw

OK, can you give me a link to the speed tester you'd use?

Rik

I rarely bother with a speed test, Steven. If I do, I use the BT one: http://test.speedtester.bt.com:50301/
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David

QuoteIt means that, once IDNet's gigabit Hostlink goes live (soon), you will be able to volunteer to switch to the WBC-based service, Steve. Depending on your stats, that could mean significant speed increases. I don't know how the new packages will be priced yet, ie whether there will be a different set of packages for the up to 24Mbps connections.

My Exchange is showing the same message  :-\
Many hammer all over the wall and believe that with each blow they hit the nail on the head.

Rik

Get your name down as a volunteer, David.
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David

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David

 :thnks: I will get my name down...as you know I suffer with such low speeds  :whistle: :whistle: ;D
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Sebby

Remember you're going from a BT service to a BT service, so don't get your hopes up. :P

David

No chance of this Sebby,as I dont expect anything Im happy with my meagre 5.4 down and 4.1 up  ;)
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stevenrw

Yeah, I'd be delighted with 5.4 down, that'd be a big improvement on my 3.2....
As you suggest, I won't get my hopes up.

Rik

At 3.2, Steven, you're reaching that point on the graph where the two speeds merge.
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David

Dont all feel sorry for me at once now.......I hate sympathy  ;D
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Rik

We weren't going to, David. ;)
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stevenrw

Quote from: Rik on Jan 16, 2009, 14:55:14
At 3.2, Steven, you're reaching that point on the graph where the two speeds merge.

Which means???

Rik

You'll get a small speed gain, but you certainly won't get 24Mbps. I can give you a more accurate prediction if you can post your stats.
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stevenrw

OK Rik, I'm at work at the moment - I'll run the BT thingy this evening and let you know.

Rik

You don't need to run the BT test, Steven, your router has the data we need.
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stevenrw

Can you talk me through how I get the data you need from the router please?
You are starting to realise I'm not very savvy at this stuff..

Rik

What router do you have?
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David

Now this will Coruscate throughout the forum thats for sure... ;) well it will for some of us  ;D
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Rik

 ;D

Pushing that one, David. ;)
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David

Just scraped it though  ;)
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stevenrw

I have the Netgear DG834G

Sebby

Type 192.168.0.1 in your web browser and the username is admin and password is password, I think. At the bottom of the main page, there is a button that says connection details. A new window will open - let us have the contents. :)

stevenrw

#31
Right, details as follows:

Connection status:
Router Status
   
Account Name 
Firmware Version  V4.01.06 
   
ADSL Port 
MAC Address  00:18:4d:c4:48:fb
IP Address  <personal details removed - Rik>
Network Type  PPPoA
IP Subnet Mask  255.255.255.255
Gateway IP Address 212.69.63.51
Domain Name Server  212.69.36.3
212.69.40.3
   
LAN Port
MAC Address  00:18:4d:c4:48:fa
IP Address  192.168.0.1
DHCP  On
IP Subnet Mask  255.255.255.0
   
Modem 
ADSL Firmware Version 6.01.00.12
Modem Status Connected
DownStream Connection Speed 3776 kbps
UpStream Connection Speed 448 kbps
VPI 0
VCI 38
   
Wireless Port 
Name (SSID) NETGEAR
Region Europe
Channel 11
Wireless AP Enabled
Broadcast Name Enabled

Under "Show statistics":

System Up Time 208:50:17
Port Status TxPkts RxPkts Collisions Tx B/s Rx B/s Up Time
WAN PPPoA 1149115 1637762 0 650 2223 208:49:31
LAN 10M/100M 519859 393419 0 549 292 208:50:13
WLAN 11M/54M 1074275 882168 0 1733 422 208:50:04


ADSL Link Downstream Upstream
Connection Speed 3776 kbps 448 kbps
Line Attenuation 38 db 10.5 db
Noise Margin 4 db 21 db

This last stuff was in tabular form, but I've copied and pasted it as best I can.
Hope this is what you need.

Rik

Hi Steven

I've removed your IP address from the post.

The info we need is this bit:

QuoteADSL Link Downstream Upstream
Connection Speed 3776 kbps 448 kbps
Line Attenuation 38 db 10.5 db
Noise Margin 4 db 21 db

You're likely to get about 10Mbps on WBC with those stats. I am troubled, though, by your d/s noise margin, which is low. You may benefit by changing or improving your internal phone wiring.

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Sebby

Quote from: Rik on Jan 17, 2009, 11:13:42
I am troubled, though, by your d/s noise margin, which is low. You may benefit by changing or improving your internal phone wiring.

But it is a Netgear, if if it's a v3 or earlier, this is to be expected.

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stevenrw

There is still an IP address showing - should this be deleted also?

10 would be a great improvement.
As you suggest, I will not hold my breath however...
Would upgrading to a later Netgear router pay dividends?

Rik

Do you mean the 192.168 one? That's internal, so no risk.

A later Netgear might help, or you could try a 2-Wire 2700, which many of us have found excellent on longer or noise-prone lines.
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stevenrw

How about one of these

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/2Wire-2701HG-ADSL2-Modem-HyperG-Wireless-Router-NEW_W0QQitemZ250362522307QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_Computing_Networking_SM?hash=item250362522307&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=72%3A1690%7C66%3A2%7C65%3A12%7C39%3A1%7C240%3A1318
- is this the later version of the 2700?
Any probs with the 2wire units? I'd never heard of them. I'm looking to wire the main desktop with a wireless network for lappys elsewhere in the house.

Rik

It's a different version to the BT ones, so I'm not sure.
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Simon

That 2701 looks quite nice.  I wonder if it's worth a punt, at the right price?
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Simon

Says in another auction for the same:

"ADSL Device configured for AT&T DSL services"
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Rik

Which worries me slightly.
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bridgej

These are the figures from my Netgear DG834G v4 Router stats page. Does anyone know what sort of speed I'm likely to get from the new ADSL2+ service or won't it be worth getting excited about :-\?

ADSL Link                  Downstream      Upstream
Connection Speed    3392 kbps            448 kbps
Line Attenuation                51.0 db            28.0 db
Noise Margin                  5.8 db            18.0 db

Simon

Quote from: Rik on Jan 30, 2009, 17:12:47
Which worries me slightly.

Yes, and the BT ones are configured for BT services, but that didn't stop us!  ;D
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Rik

You should get about 5M sync, Bridge, with a throughput around 4.5M.
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Niall

For some reason Samknows says there is no date for 21cn at my exchange when there is/was when I last checked. Strange.
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Rik

BT have put a lot of dates back, Niall, and removed some altogether.
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Niall

Meh, well I'm not really bothered. As long as my internet I have now, continues to function correctly, I'll be a happy bunny.

Which reminds me, I need a battery for my mothers PC as the cmos keeps resetting :D I didn't realise that certain programs don't work if the date is set incorrectly, msn messenger for one.
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Sebby

Yep, there are a few, Niall. Windows updates the time automatically, but only every so often.

stevenrw

After your recommendations I started looking for 2wire 2700 routers. Can anybody tell me if there is any significance in the HGV suffix. I'm considering this one

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/NEW-2Wire-2700HGV-BT-Business-Hub-UNLOCKED_W0QQitemZ190280433990QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_Computing_Networking_SM?hash=item190280433990&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=72%3A1690%7C66%3A2%7C65%3A12%7C39%3A1%7C240%3A1318

Any views/concerns anybody?

uxbod

If its a HGV you may require a different license :whistle:

Ted

Quote from: stevenrw on Feb 11, 2009, 08:48:39
After your recommendations I started looking for 2wire 2700 routers. Can anybody tell me if there is any significance in the HGV suffix. I'm considering this one

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/NEW-2Wire-2700HGV-BT-Business-Hub-UNLOCKED_W0QQitemZ190280433990QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_Computing_Networking_SM?hash=item190280433990&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=72%3A1690%7C66%3A2%7C65%3A12%7C39%3A1%7C240%3A1318

Any views/concerns anybody?

G=wireless-G, V=Voip. That Hub has been flashed with the Singtel Firmware and is a little expensive, you should be looking at around £15 for a brand new, sealed unit.
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kinmel

Quote from: stevenrw on Feb 11, 2009, 08:48:39
After your recommendations I started looking for 2wire 2700 routers. Can anybody tell me if there is any significance in the HGV suffix. I'm considering this one

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/NEW-2Wire-2700HGV-BT-Business-Hub-UNLOCKED_W0QQitemZ190280433990QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_Computing_Networking_SM?hash=item190280433990&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=72%3A1690%7C66%3A2%7C65%3A12%7C39%3A1%7C240%3A1318

Any views/concerns anybody?

Why has the idiot put the Singtel firmware on it, with that version the SNR sets to 8 and not 6 and the router takes a performance hit !

You could change the firmware again, but not to the latest versions.

As Ted says it is far too dear.

Also search for " Business Hub" in Ebay

Other than that it will work just fine.
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Rik

The V means that it supports two phone for VOIP.
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Simon

I could be wrong, but I'd always assumed HGV signified that it was the later, twin SSID version.
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Ted

Quote from: Simon on Feb 11, 2009, 09:58:32
I could be wrong, but I'd always assumed HGV signified that it was the later, twin SSID version.

Both single and dual ssid versions are designated "HGV" 
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Simon

I was right then, I was wrong.  ;D
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Rik

So two wrongs do make a right. ;D
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There's no place like 127.0.0.1

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Simon

Looks all right to me.  :)
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stevenrw

In looking around on EBay most of the BT business hubs (2700HGV) do not state "Unlocked" - is it possible for a dummy like me to configure such an "unlocked" hub to work with IDnet both wired (for the main machine) and wirelessly for the rest of the house?

Glenn

Yes Steve, even you can do it, just follow the guide here
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stevenrw

Thanks for such a prompt response Glenn - just one more question however.
The link goes to options for Single SSID and Dual SSID.
I don't know what SSID is so I dunno how many of them I've got!
Can you explain in baby language please?

Steve

SSID = Service Set IDentifier. The single version has one wireless port like a conventional router, the dual has two wireless ports the second one is intended for a wireless broadband telephone(VOIP)
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stevenrw

Thanks for that Steve, understood.

However, if the router does have a VOIP port but I'm not intending to use Skype etc, can I use single SSID setup?

Rik

You can use either, I have both a single and dual SSID.
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Lance

the dual ssid units are just the newer ones, and the second ssid can just be disabled if you don't need it.
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Sebby

Indeed, that's what I did, Lance.

stevenrw

Got meself one of them thar 2700HGV thingys. Should be getting it this week.
Stand by for requests for help!
cheers!

Sebby

We're ready and waiting. :)

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