p2p choking other net traffic

[ou7shined]

With my last router (Voyager 205) there was a wee trick to help combat this - manually setting the speed of opening and shutting of something I think - I don't claim to understand it, I just copied the script and it worked ... IIRC it was also beneficial for gaming too.

Is there something I similar I can do with my new (to me) 2700?

[Simon]

You can normally limit upload speed within the P2P client. 

[ou7shined]

I don't really want to do that Simon. I'm quite proud of my >1:1 ratio.

I'm just wondering if there is a router tweak so I can run the p2p client and surf the net normally at the same time.

[Sebby]

Which P2P client is it?

[ou7shined]

µTorrent

[Simon]

I don't really want to do that Simon. I'm quite proud of my >1:1 ratio.

I understand, but you can still maintain your >1:1 ratio with slightly slower upload speeds - it will just take a bit longer.  What IDNet package are you on?

I'm just wondering if there is a router tweak so I can run the p2p client and surf the net normally at the same time.

If you could, wouldn't that amount to the same thing? 

[ou7shined]

Maybe my vocab is wrong - as you know this really isn't my area.
Before getting my 2700 I was using a BT Voyager 205 - same package different router. When I ran p2p it would choke all other internet traffic so browser pages would take an age to load etc. When I looked into it I found a tweak for my router that improved it somewhat. Now with the new router I'm back to practically unusable internet while p2p-ing. I only do it a couple of times a month and I usually just do it at night but still I know it was possible with my last router so perhaps it is with this one.

I think I'm on home max or something, it's £25 a month.

[ou7shined]

Completely off topic (this probably doesn't warrant a thread of it's own) - I just found my account details. My package is Max but I'm being offered an "upgrade" to Home Pro for no more than what I'm paying just now (+ upgrade fee). Actually I could probably downgrade to Home plus judging by my stats

Silly question time (again). Is it worth upgrading or is there still a problem with IDNet vs ADSL2+?

[Simon]

The problems of the other day seem to have mostly dissipated, but I think there are still some isolated issues. 

Someone more technical then me will advise on upgrading, but you could post your router stats here, and try the upgrade 'test' on the IDNet website to see what it estimates your speeds will be.  Any increase in upload speed, would obviously be advantageous. 

[ou7shined]

Current Rate:  7168 kbs   448 kbs 
Max Rate:  7320 kbs   964 kbs 
Current Connection:
Current Noise Margin:  12.0 dB   22.0 dB 
Current Attenuation:  31.8 dB   17.5 dB 
Current Output Power:  19.8 dBm   12.3 dBm 

ATM  Cells  Errors  %
Transmit:  105307211  0  0
Receive:  123100599  0  0

IP  Bytes  Packets  Errors  %
Transmit:  1643790547  2742248  0  0
Receive:  2265287499  2892057  0  0

[ou7shined]

Erm where's this upgrade test then? I cannae find it.

[Rik]

You should do well from the upgrade, Rich. No-one's had an issue with a 2700 yet afaik.

[Simon]

Erm where's this upgrade test then? I cannae find it.

Sorry, it was me being cryptic.  It's a bit of an educated guess, I think, but if you stick your phone number in here, it will estimate what sort of speeds you can expect.

[ou7shined]

LOL

computer says...
You can migrate to 7Mb* IDNet ADSL2+ Broadband on 01224xxxxxx

Not much of an improvement there then but then I suppose I get more ups... which is what your saying I need to solve my p2p woes yes?

[Simon]

I guess if you had more upstream 'headroom', it wouldn't have such an impact on the downstream, but you'd still need to control it with the P2P client, otherwise, it will just take the max, as it seems it is now, if you follow.  If you keep the upload speed as it is now, you'd still maintain your ratio, but you'd have the extra upstream still to play with. 

[Sebby]

µTorrent

Thought it might be. There are 3 things you need to do.

1. Patch your TCPIP.sys - http://www.lvllord.de/
2. Lower net.max_halfopen to 4 or lower and bt.connect_speed to 10 or lower (can be found in Preferences > Advanced)
3. Ensure your maximum upload rate is set at something that will keep some bandwidth for other uses

[Simon]

Sebby to the rescue again! 

[ou7shined]

Thought it might be. There are 3 things you need to do.

1. Patch your TCPIP.sys - http://www.lvllord.de/
2. Lower net.max_halfopen to 4 or lower and bt.connect_speed to 10 or lower (can be found in Preferences > Advanced)
3. Ensure your maximum upload rate is set at something that will keep some bandwidth for other uses

TCPIP.sys patch is always part of my new install of windows routine.

I have always previously set net.max_halfopen to 100 and left bt.connect_speed at stock but since I've been doing this since I first started using it 4 years ago I'm probably behind the times.

I've always set my max upload rate to 45.

I'll go and do a test with the new halfopen & bt.connect settings and report back.

Cheers Sebs.

[Sebby]

Sebby to the rescue again! 

I prefer to be known as Super Sebby.

[Sebby]

TCPIP.sys patch is always part of my new install of windows routine.

I have always previously set net.max_halfopen to 100 and left bt.connect_speed at stock but since I've been doing this since I first started using it 4 years ago I'm probably behind the times.

I've always set my max upload rate to 45.

I'll go and do a test with the new halfopen & bt.connect settings and report back.

Cheers Sebs.

No problem - let us know how you get on.

[ou7shined]

That's much better thanks.

I d/l'ed Knoppix as a good way to max out µTorrent. It came firing in at 7Mb and I was still able to open multiple browser windows - obviously they were sluggish (between 5-10 seconds to load fully) but seeing as µTorrent was hogging all the available bandwidth I think the results were not bad.

You really are Super Sebby.

[Sebby]

Glad it's sorted.