Filesharing mum ordered to pay nearly $2m

[glen]

And as for confusing juries, wouldn't be hard to confuse an American jury.

[dujas]

I see it as a simple give/take struggle between the content providers who want to protect the income from their intellectual property and the consumer who generally just wants value for money. Internet piracy has shaken up that balance.

I think the 'anger' from the consumer is caused by the perception that corporations, instead of adapting to a new business model, they intensify their political lobbying to resist the change.

[colonelsun]

And as for confusing juries, wouldn't be hard to confuse an American jury.

I wouldn't say American juries are any more dafter than ours, in fact both legal systems suffer the same problems in that they both find it hard to select suitable members for a jury. Most people hope to avoid jury duty at all costs and some people simply don't want to be a juror.....none of these people make suitable jurors but the courts find it harder to pick and choose.

[Gary]

Well one thing's for sure:if i were burgled tomorrow no thief would waste his time with my CD collection. Alma Cogan, show tunes from Broadway, 70s & 80s pop, classical, blues and German experimental synth. Dig a bit deeper and you get to old fashioned LPs, though i'm sure a young burglar today would dismiss the LP as some kind of table mat.

Have you got some Klaus Schulze in that experimental synth?

[colonelsun]

Have you got some Klaus Schulze in that experimental synth?

Mainly pre 1980s stuff, post 1980 his music turned a corner becoming more mainstream and more accessible. I've got albums like 1979s Dune, 1978s X and Timewind.

Thanks to Schulze i got into the commercial  Kraftwerk back catalogue.

Oddly, women hate this type of music, not sure why?

[Gary]

Mainly pre 1980s stuff, post 1980 his music turned a corner becoming more mainstream and more accessible. I've got albums like 1979s Dune, 1978s X and Timewind.

Thanks to Schulze i got into the commercial  Kraftwerk back catalogue.

Oddly, women hate this type of music, not sure why?

I had audentity that went on for hours as a double album, loved it, I was a tangerine dream fan as well, early 70's stuff, and Kraftwerk, Dune was great. An yes women do but hy I loved it and still do  first rtime I have found someone who listens to that in years 

[colonelsun]

I had audentity that went on for hours as a double album, loved it, I was a tangerine dream fan as well, early 70's stuff, and Kraftwerk, Dune was great. An yes women do but hy I loved it and still do  first rtime I have found someone who listens to that in years 

I thought i was all alone in liking this type of music too. Schulze's music wasn't available in local shops so i had to hunt all over for it, and when i found an alternative music shop i didn't bump into the usual crowd that shopped at Woolies. So i was always on the fringes, the guy with the unusual music taste, heck my mother really worried for me.

I told her once that i'd joined the Moonies and she simply said "Ok honey, at least you'll have someone else to swap your CDs with ".

[Simon]

  I used to love spending an afternoon browsing round the record shops in The Lanes, down in Brighton, and made some good finds there.  There was also a place in Croydon called Beanos which was fantastic, and once in a while, I would travel up to Oxford Street to the massive HMV.  Whilst the Internet has made shopping for music much easier, and it's great for finding the more diverse material, I haven't actually been to a record shop for probably nearly 10 years, and I do miss that a bit.

[Gary]

I thought i was all alone in liking this type of music too. Schulze's music wasn't available in local shops so i had to hunt all over for it, and when i found an alternative music shop i didn't bump into the usual crowd that shopped at Woolies. So i was always on the fringes, the guy with the unusual music taste, heck my mother really worried for me.

I told her once that i'd joined the Moonies and she simply said "Ok honey, at least you'll have someone else to swap your CDs with ".

I know the feeling, I used to , like Simon go down to Brighton and go hunting down the lanes for the kind of music I liked, Vinyl Demand was excellent, it was good to find others with your taste in sounds, I was always on the fringes at school because of my musical taste, and I am glad I was  . I really miss going down there, going thoiugh all the albums, having that mental blank of what you wanted as you found so much...I found most of Schulzes's music on import, always more expensive but so good to have, this really brings back some great memories.... good days

[colonelsun]

Simon, Gary....you two have bought a warm smile to my face tonight. I'm the only one in the family to have avant garde tastes in music, books, even tv, so i was pretty much left to my own devices and thankfully my parents didn't think strange music tastes equalled drugs and worse. I met some of my best friends in dusty, bleak record shops...where weird and wonderful human beings drifted past wearing next to nothing or clad in leather, lace and huge felt hats. Hell, if my mother only knew what i got up to on these frequent visits she would have had a coronary, it was much worse later on.

I've already chosen the music to which i will be cremated by, some German experimental synth, a classical piece, and my coffin will disappear behind the curtains to the theme of Countdown.

[Simon]

I know the feeling, I used to , like Simon go down to Brighton and go hunting down the lanes for the kind of music I liked, Vinyl Demand was excellent, it was good to find others with your taste in sounds, I was always on the fringes at school because of my musical taste, and I am glad I was  . I really miss going down there, going thoiugh all the albums, having that mental blank of what you wanted as you found so much...I found most of Schulzes's music on import, always more expensive but so good to have, this really brings back some great memories.... good days

Yes, I loved getting hold of imports, as it felt like no one else had it (it's the same now, with phones - lol!).  I also used to dabble with live bootlegs, but the quality of most of them was very poor, so I never bough that many.  Vinyl Demand was brilliant, and the Wax Factor, I think it was called.  There was also one on the corner of Sydney Street, IIRC, and Tiger Music, also in Sydney Street, was where I bought my first electric guitar!  There was also a great t-shirt shop down there as well.

I don't share the same music tastes as you two - in fact, I really quite dislike electronic stuff.  I was (am) more into rock, some heavy metal, prog,  and blues.  Great vocalists, and a really good drum sound were the main criteria I looked for, but I used to buy albums simply by the look of the cover, and discovered some very good bands that way, that I have followed ever since.

Dave, yes I also know what it is to be a music outcast within the family!  They were more into mainstream pop, and my tastes never went down well at home. 

[colonelsun]

Ironically my 21 year old niece is following in my footsteps but alas i get the feeling i'm getting too old to appreciate her tastes now. The internet means she can download a new song by an obscure group in seconds...it's all so easy for her. But i do feel she's missing out on the visits to record stores, the atmosphere and the people there. And i still like CDs and vinyl...i like to feel the music is a physical thing...something to hold. With downloads that's impossible unless you burn and save to disk, something she doesn't do as the next trend has already arrived.

[Simon]

I agree, the whole package, artwork, lyrics, etc is much more of a pleasurable experience than a download.  I use downloads for odd random tracks, but if a band or artist I like brings out a new album, I would always buy the CD.

[Sebby]

The problem is, how long will it be before CDs aren't released anymore? Probably not all that long.

[Simon]

That's a worrying thought, Seb.  CD singles are already a rarity.  I used to like them, for the extra tracks they often contained.

[Sebby]

I do know what you mean. For me, the issue is that I'll only rip it to put on my iPod anyway, and I think that's the way a lot of people think these days.

[Simon]

Maybe, but then you lose some sound quality.

[Gary]

Maybe, but then you lose some sound quality.

True, people still have expensive Hi-Fi so they can listen to the music with greater Clarity and depth. I dont use an iPod or mp3 player anymore, I do not go out enough to ever warrant it, I listen to my CD's on my home system, and docking an ipod is not going to provide that clarity.

[colonelsun]

That's a worrying thought, Seb.  CD singles are already a rarity.  I used to like them, for the extra tracks they often contained.

Well the industry won't be thinking of our generation ....we get palmed off with re releases and boxed sets and then they try to sell us the same product all over again on some new format. It'll be the very few that currently by CDs that will make the decision to carry on with them but the majority seem to prefer downloads, illegal or not.

When i was a kid there were 14 record shops in my nearest town and now there's none, if i want to physically buy and hold music my nearest store is 45 miles away....lately though i've been shopping online, i just can't justify a 45 mile journey for a few CDs with petrol prices as they are.

[Gary]

Well the industry won't be thinking of our generation ....we get palmed off with re releases and boxed sets and then they try to sell us the same product all over again on some new format. It'll be the very few that currently by CDs that will make the decision to carry on with them but the majority seem to prefer downloads, illegal or not.

When i was a kid there were 14 record shops in my nearest town and now there's none, if i want to physically buy and hold music my nearest store is 45 miles away....lately though i've been shopping online, i just can't justify a 45 mile journey for a few CDs with petrol prices as they are.

I buy from THIS site, they do old vinly, some I used to have and are rare, wish I never sold them  but I can get CD's and CD singles straight from sellers in the US cheaper than I can in the UK. Also I can get CD rarities as well, picked up a D single of Orbitals Satan, original issue, very hard to come buy for £7 sent from a seller in California, list price now is £25 so I did well. It caters for all tastes, Jazz, Blues what ever you like, I go from Zappa to Marilyn  Manson, Tangerine Dream to Pendulum, to Orbital. I get good bargains on there. I used to have a Jello Biafra Album on CD. last Scream of the missing Neighbour, cannot get it in the UK £5 from that site 

[colonelsun]

Hey Gary... what a site, thanks for the link. I feel like a kid inside a sweet shop. I fear my credit card is going to have to be more flexible than usual.

[Gary]

Hey Gary... what a site, thanks for the link. I feel like a kid inside a sweet shop. I fear my credit card is going to have to be more flexible than usual.

Glad you like it  it had all the albums I used to have and sold or lost as I moved around and could not find anymore, sadly though my original Joes garage acts one two and three are just a tad to expensive to replace, as was my original 1969 bearsville import of Hot rats, why did I sell them 

[Simon]

I shall have to have a good browse round that site, Gary - cheers! 

[Gary]

I shall have to have a good browse round that site, Gary - cheers! 

 

[quandam]

I buy from THIS site, they do old vinly, some I used to have and are rare, wish I never sold them  but I can get CD's and CD singles straight from sellers in the US cheaper than I can in the UK. Also I can get CD rarities as well, picked up a D single of Orbitals Satan, original issue, very hard to come buy for £7 sent from a seller in California, list price now is £25 so I did well. It caters for all tastes, Jazz, Blues what ever you like, I go from Zappa to Marilyn  Manson, Tangerine Dream to Pendulum, to Orbital. I get good bargains on there. I used to have a Jello Biafra Album on CD. last Scream of the missing Neighbour, cannot get it in the UK £5 from that site 

Gary,

No Vera Lynn 78's I presume??