Upped to ADSL2+ and still on the dark age

[troesma]

Nothing lasts forever with BT 

DSL Upstream Rate:   888 Kbps
DSL Downstream Rate: 3069 Kbps

                      Down         up   
DSL Noise Margin:    17.3 dB       8.9 dB
DSL Attenuation:     44.5 dB      23.3 dB
DSL Transmit Power:   0.0 dBm     12.9 dBm

So back to square 1. Interestingly, browsing until 3 AM revealed no probs at the higher sync rate, I sensed no issues with the stability. This is NUTS.

[troesma]

Options in the area on LLU

http://www.samknows.com/broadband/exchange/LSLEE

Maybe the way to go..? 

I don't want ot leave IDNet, but this is just pants.

[Rik]

What can we say? 

[troesma]

WBC seems to be a 1-way lane... to the abyss. I just don't know. There has been NOTHING that would suggest why speed has come down. Now, I reckon that if there is something going on between home and the exchange LLU would not provide any additional benefit...

[Glenn]

Virgin cable? If you have fibre with them, it is now sold in 10 20 & 50mb/s flavours I believe.

[troesma]

Not in my area (it's a conservation area so Virgin, or any cable op, is not around here...)

[Glenn]

I have a similar issue, no cable on the estate I'm on, but just 200 yds away, they have full service

[Sebby]

Options in the area on LLU

http://www.samknows.com/broadband/exchange/LSLEE

Maybe the way to go..? 

I don't want ot leave IDNet, but this is just pants.

O2/Be is a good option - no imposed target margin and no profiles.

[troesma]

O2 suggests the max attainable speed is 7Mb, same Be. Now, dunno if this is a conservative or a sales-oriented estimate... in which case the sawp would, again, provide no additional benefits and lots of hassle.

[Sebby]

Remind me of your line stats?

[troesma]

Latest stats atop this page in the thread (page 10). Since Friday I was on a NM between 7db and 9db solid.

Just checked Virgin and this came out...

You're not currently in a fibre optic cable area but Virgin National broadband still gives you fast broadband up to 16Mb down your phone line.

Forgot to read properly... 

[Sebby]

I think you'll get 7.5Mb on LLU, and have no stability problems like you do on BT. Why not try Be on a short-term contract?

https://www.bethere.co.uk/web/beportal/shorttermcontracts

[Glenn]

That link suggests I should get around 3mb

[Sebby]

I wouldn't go by that - I'd use your attenuation on a site like Kitz.

[troesma]

Thanks. Bottom line is, that if O2/Be give me the option to go to 7 Mbps for the same money IDNet delivers (thanks to BT WBC product) 3 Mbps, well, it seems a no-brainer. I've heard some bad stories on Be, and that has prevented me to switch, but with their 3-month deal, it means that if it's not up to spec you walk out easily. The only BIG issue is the hassle, esp. on e-mail (where I have many licenses, etc. hooked to my idnet account, would need to do a lot of resets...)

I want to stay with IDNet, for them to find a way out, but it seems I'm going nowhere. True, I'm in better position than many (so why moaning..?) but could be much better, for the same money...

Need to think. Maybe my next step is to ask for a MAC code 

[Rik]

It's your call. I am sure that, eventually, the problems will be resolved. What I don't know is how long it's going to take.

[Sebby]

Personally, I think it's worth a try with Be. Consumers should not have to pay for a poor service. What's more is that BT services are more expensive, when LLU is considerably better.

[Ann]

The price of the 3 month deal is far higher than the 12 month.

12 months.. £17.50 with no connnection charge
3 months... £20 with £24 connection charge.

And the up to 8megs deal is £13.50 with no connection charge but a 12 month contract

[Glenn]

You can get £50 cashbash via Quidco for 02 http://www.quidco.com/mobiles-utilities/internet-providers/

[troesma]

Interesting on O2. Of course, 12-month loking contracts should work way cheaper, if and only if you're not buying snake oil. Once you've burnt your hand many times...

TBH I want to stay with the folks but let's reason. I'm on Home Pro, that's 24.46 quid a month and I get 2-something Mbps D/L speed. Be works at 20 quid/month + 24 quid connection charge. Over a 3-month period, Be works 14.5% more expensive but with over 200% (potential..?) gain in D/L speed. So, Pound for Pound, works much better. I have now a 30 Gig cap at peak time, Be is unlimited. Dunno about any contention rates, etc., things which might impact the connection and are only to be seen on the fine print. But, face value, that's it.

[Sebby]

You can get £50 cashbash via Quidco for 02 http://www.quidco.com/mobiles-utilities/internet-providers/

And £40 for Be...

http://www.quidco.com/bethere-co-uk/

[troesma]

Good find Sebby, I'll check today and see what's up and make a decision. I'm tired of feeling I'm a prisoner of BTs incompetence/lack of investment.

[Desaan]

Here's my 21cn experience

[Rik]

What's your sync speed, attenuation and noise margin?

[Desaan]

ADSL Link                   Downstream     Upstream
Connection Speed    4651 kbps            632 kbps
Line Attenuation               57.5 db             32.4 db
Noise Margin                8.3 db              6.0 db