Thunderbird

David · Jul 15, 2009, 11:39:05

I think I read once Simon uses this Email service but not sure anyone here with experience of this service ?

Rik · Jul 15, 2009, 11:41:00

Simon uses SeaMonkey which incorporates an email client, afaik, David. I did look at TBird, but didn't like some of its facets, so stuck to Outlook.

Steve · Jul 15, 2009, 11:43:10

I have used it on Windows, I think on the whole it works very well, archiving and transfer of accounts from one PC to another is straight forward plus its free.

David · Jul 15, 2009, 11:50:25

Ah yes it was Sea Monkey......

Steve · Jul 15, 2009, 11:59:47

Its shares similar code Thunderbird and the Sea Monkey Mail client

David · Jul 15, 2009, 12:01:20

No downsides then ?it looks alright

And one question ,I suppose I could google but hey ! one of the most annoying features for me is this windows live messenger service can I actually get rid of it or not I mean remove it from my system as I have never used it and wont

Steve · Jul 15, 2009, 12:04:48

I think Outlook is the most accomplished but its not free and as email client Thunderbird works well

David · Jul 15, 2009, 12:07:35

just downloading it now looks impressive,but then again everything does at the time

Glenn · Jul 15, 2009, 12:08:49

I've been using Thunderbird with Windows 7 RC for the past few months, it works fine

Steve · Jul 15, 2009, 12:19:15

Quote from: badpianoplayer on Jul 15, 2009, 12:01:20
No downsides then ?it looks alright

And one question ,I suppose I could google but hey ! one of the most annoying features for me is this windows live messenger service can I actually get rid of it or not I mean remove it from my system as I have never used it and wont

You can stop WLM pestering you at startup by changing the messenger sign in options. Not sure you can remove it though

David · Jul 15, 2009, 13:00:29

I will try this thanks Steve its a pain in the rear end and drives me nuts

David · Jul 15, 2009, 13:37:52

Done that so I just have to change the Email settings now I presume ? from IDNet to Thunderbird in the outlook Email setup ?

Do feel free to yell NO David if Im wrong

Steve · Jul 15, 2009, 13:56:28

Now I am confused

I thought your where transferring you email account settings from Outlook to Thunderbird

Rik · Jul 15, 2009, 16:19:29

Likewise I'm afraid, David.

David · Jul 15, 2009, 16:29:15

Sorry chaps you know me....

the situation is this (pay attention now) Due to a change of isp I need to change Email for all the websites I use you know the usual,Bank,utilities perverts incorperated so I need to change from david @idnet .dumdem to...and thought I would need to change

still confused or am I thinking wrongly.....I have not had to change this stuff over and my new isp I have chosen not to have the Email service

Rik · Jul 15, 2009, 16:32:49

So, you're saying you have no email service at your new ISP, David?

David · Jul 15, 2009, 16:35:54

I knew you would get it

Rik · Jul 15, 2009, 16:37:02

So what do you want to change, in that case?

David · Jul 15, 2009, 16:40:11

Well I would need an Email address

Rik · Jul 15, 2009, 16:42:24

Well, if your new ISP isn't providing one, your options are to pay IDNet for their service, use something like GoogleMail or get yourself a domain from someone like 1&1, that costs about £9 for 2 years for the domain and about £14pa for the mail service, iirc.

David · Jul 15, 2009, 16:51:40

Thats very new to me Rik and very interesting not fully understaining the comain bit but the price is fair enough are there any advantages haveing this or is it just a mail service ? will have to check it out

Just found this.

http://order.1and1.co.uk/xml/order/Home;jsessionid=036BC0968289E3E3F9B86499084E7FF2.TC32b?__reuse=1247673130274

Have to read it...

Rik · Jul 15, 2009, 16:56:08

It's just a mail service, David, but it's one you own, and can me moved around to different hosts if you so desire. It also means that the domain name can reflect your surname if you want, so you can have david@surname.me.uk if it's free.

Take a look at the 1&1 offer here.

David · Jul 15, 2009, 17:07:34

This is very interesting to me ,I doubt if I am alone in taking Email for granted and being ignorant of such options

Rik · Jul 15, 2009, 17:10:57

I have idnet, Google and my own domain, David, on the grounds that it's unlikely that all would fail at the same time.

David · Jul 15, 2009, 17:13:04

That is my thinking its just anothe facet which interests me

I have Googlemail already

Sebby · Jul 15, 2009, 17:18:17

I also have an instant mail account with 1&1 and my own domain. It's a great solution because you'll always have that address.

David · Jul 15, 2009, 17:21:30

I am liking this the more I look,as I run a small cottage business and this allows me 5 which would allow me to give out the address without compromising my "own space" if you understand my point !

Rik · Jul 15, 2009, 17:26:24

An alternative to 1&1 is PurpleCloud, but I don't have personal experience of them.

David · Jul 15, 2009, 17:30:54

You love confusing me dont you Rik

Well do you know much about this then

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Rik · Jul 15, 2009, 17:40:36

Not a thing, but ZyXel generally get good reviews.

David · Jul 15, 2009, 17:42:04

I will let you know

Rik · Jul 15, 2009, 17:45:18

David · Jul 15, 2009, 17:47:42

After readin some of this Thunderbird would not be any good at all as there would not be..in my case a host,is this correct ?

Rik · Jul 15, 2009, 17:53:40

No email client is of use until you have a mail server to send/receive from, David.

Steve · Jul 15, 2009, 17:54:29

As Rik said.The host would be say your 1&1 domain and the Thunderbird email client via IMAP or POP would read/download your mail from there

David · Jul 15, 2009, 17:55:39

Much clearer thanks guys wonder if I am alone in my abject ignorance

colirv · Jul 15, 2009, 17:55:51

You need an email address, hosted by a server - I use my own domain hosted by Purplecloud in preference to the IDNet mail server. You also need a mail program to handle your email. I use Thunderbird in preference to Outlook Express. You can use any mail program with any email server.

David · Jul 15, 2009, 18:03:43

IThanks for another peice of the jigsaw I was totally unaware I could do these things without OE its getting better .

Its the education I am enjoying and this is one thread Im so pleased I posted

Rik · Jul 15, 2009, 18:06:33

There's also webmail, of course, David, though I find that less than ideal.

David · Jul 15, 2009, 18:20:52

QuoteYou need an email address, hosted by a server - I use my own domain hosted by Purplecloud in preference to the IDNet mail server. You also need a mail program to handle your email. I use Thunderbird in preference to Outlook Express. You can use any mail program with any email server.

This arrangement is appealing but would I remove OE from the pc ?

Rik · Jul 15, 2009, 18:22:15

No need to.

D-Dan · Jul 15, 2009, 20:00:08

Add me to the list of 1&1 fans. Though I have the business package (the little one) for SQL etc on the domain - so I get more email addresses too (which I hand out to my SecondLife nightclub staff like MPs hand out excuses) and since they just updated the webmail service to Web2 it's a comprehensive email package now.

And as has been mentioned, having a domain that you own means it's always there regardless of which ISP you are with.

If you want free, and if they are still available, I've been using a yahoo address via POP for over 10 years with never a problem, too. (that's the one I use to register at most forums, and their Spam filters really seem to do their job - can't remember the last spam I had).

Steve

David · Jul 15, 2009, 21:07:58

Steve Im just educating myself from the web about Email ,pop3 etc its not so muddled so far having a good read up for once but looks like I will go with this as well.

Finding out what webmail and all the others isnt so difficult...learning some of the jargon isnt that bad either

JohnH · Jul 15, 2009, 21:54:01

I have been using Thunderbird for 3 years and there's no downside so far as I have seen.
I find the management for mailing lists is better than Outlook or Outlook Express.

I also read recently that Thunderbird 3 will incorporate a new archiving facility (rather than an add-on), which I look forward to as an email hoarder.

Nativespace are very reasonable for web hosting and support is excellent (aim to reply in 1 hour and they have always met the target in the 2 years I have been with them, even at weekends). You have total control over your domain, including DNS and for UK domains, the IPS tag.

If you want to stick with webmail, Mail2Web is very straightforward and easily accessible.

Simon · Jul 15, 2009, 22:18:14

Does your new ISP not provide ANY email services, David? Not even paid for ones? I'd find that quite surprising.

David · Jul 15, 2009, 22:22:45

Yes but not on my package which I may upgrade £3 but you get a lot more than Email .

Test1 comprises of Best Effort Test: -provides background information.
Your DSL connection rate: 6592 kbps(DOWN-STREAM), 448 kbps(UP-STREAM)
IP profile for your line is - 5500 kbps
Actual IP throughput achieved during the test was - 386 kbps

Roll on Tuesday this is agony

JohnH · Jul 15, 2009, 22:36:14

Not much of a daytime allowance, though....

David · Jul 15, 2009, 23:03:13

Enough for me Im a lite sleeper

psp83 · Jul 16, 2009, 00:08:02

Just recently i changed from Outlook 2007 to Thunderbird at work. Outlook was annoying the hell outta me and finding thunderbird alot better.

As the rest has said, its better to get your own domain. I have a server with UK2.net and have several domains and emails. Its just easier if you have to move ISP.

I've also got a google mail account for backup.

David · Jul 16, 2009, 00:50:34

I have gone through it all and have the final page ready to order but I cant seem to see the final total I have ordered the domain name and the Email which seems too cheap.
The Email is 3 months free offer
the Domain name is £2.49

There is no sign of the total to pay and I cant seem to figure it out it only seems to work out at a few pounds

Dopamine · Jul 16, 2009, 01:49:10

I recommend buying domains and email through godaddy.com, and have several plans of my own with them. They're one of the cheapest there is, their customer service, although in the USA, puts UK customer service standards to shame, and their email plans are very cheap; from $1.19/month for a single address, to $2.50/month for 10 addresses.

I've had godaddy hosting, domains and email for the last 4 years, and have not had a single second's down time.

I've just had a quick look and see that as a special offer domains can be bought for $1.99 if bought with a non-domain purchase, i.e., email. Using that offer, a domain plus email with 2GB storage and 5 addresses is $22.16 for a year (about £14). Excellent value.

http://www.godaddy.com/gdshop/email/personal.asp?ci=9020

http://www.godaddy.com/default.aspx?ci=13334

somanyholes · Jul 16, 2009, 08:31:07

sorry to be a pain dopamine but i disagree with anyone recommending godaddy. Whilst you may have had good experiances with them many people haven't. They are a shady company to say the least.... I recommend having a look at the site below.

http://nodaddy.com/

and

http://nodaddy.com/#horror (really worth reading)

and

http://forums.nodaddy.com/

also this is worth reading http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/12/03/godaddy-uses-standard-tactics-to-warehouse-domains/ . The comments on here also seem to sum them up quite well.

their security also leaves a lot to be desired.

Sebby · Jul 16, 2009, 09:15:08

Quote from: badpianoplayer on Jul 16, 2009, 00:50:34
I have gone through it all and have the final page ready to order but I cant seem to see the final total I have ordered the domain name and the Email which seems too cheap.
The Email is 3 months free offer
the Domain name is £2.49

There is no sign of the total to pay and I cant seem to figure it out it only seems to work out at a few pounds

Is this with 1&1? If so, that sounds about right - they're very cheap.

David · Jul 16, 2009, 11:34:49

Yes Sebby it is1&1 I will finalise this morning after confirming

Thanks Somany

Dopamine · Jul 16, 2009, 21:43:13

Quote from: somanyholes on Jul 16, 2009, 08:31:07
sorry to be a pain dopamine but i disagree with anyone recommending godaddy. Whilst you may have had good experiances with them many people haven't. They are a shady company to say the least.... I recommend having a look at the site below.

lol. I have to chuckle at those that get taken in by the negative press that large successful companies always attract. Almost every single large company has a small percentage of customers or former customers who are so dissatisfied that they set up sites knocking them. It's a peril of being large and successful, but it doesn't often reflect the actuality. 99% satisfaction still leaves 1% dissatisfaction, and 1% of a lot is a lot - plenty enough to keep sites like nodaddy.com in business.

I work in one of the biggest, if not the biggest, branch of internet commerce, and amongst that branch GoDaddy has one of the highest satisfaction and recommendation ratings going. I know hundreds of site owners who host through godaddy, all of whom are completely satisfied. Of course, I don't dispute that there will be a number of legitimate complaints about them, but nodaddy.com is hardly a source of unbiased opinion. (and in case anyone's wondering, I have no affiliation whatsoever with godaddy. I'm just a satisfied customer)

It's a bit like me setting up a site IDNot.com, complaining about the poor way my outstanding complaint is being dealt with, the fact that I've had other customer support queries ignored or forgotten about, that my IDNet phone package has had its price increased by over 50% (daytime calls increased from 1.4p a minute to 2.5p, effective August) yet I received no notification of the pending increase and only discovered it by chance when I logged into my account. All of these things are true, and if IDNet was much larger there would be a substantial body of dissatisfied customers like me to populate IDNot.com. I would no longer recommend IDNet to anyone, but that's based on personal experience. Do you have a poor personal experience of Godaddy to share?

David · Jul 16, 2009, 22:11:27

Well thats certainly balanced it up

I had not heard of any of them but good point well made,I think

somanyholes · Jul 17, 2009, 07:35:48

QuoteDo you have a poor personal experience of Godaddy to share?

In response to that no I personally don't. I do know of 2 other "personal" friends who have not had good experiences. This does not relate to their actual web hosting, but their management of domains, and the tactics that they use. I have seen many many negative comments relating to godaddy on domaining forums. My issue with them relates to their handling of domains not their "customer service levels" or their "uptime" and the like. I fully appreciate other companies post negative comments, so keep on chuckling there ohh knowledgeable one.

I personally would not have any domains I value with them, or ever try to transfer out. I have nothing negative or positive to say about their webhosting it'sself.

Anyone thinking of using godaddy should at least make themselves aware of the type of company they are dealing with.

http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&q=%22godaddy%22+%22unethical%22&btnG=Search&meta=

Dopamine · Jul 17, 2009, 14:52:35

Quote from: somanyholes on Jul 17, 2009, 07:35:48
so keep on chuckling there ohh knowledgeable one.

I will.

Caution is always advisable, so thank you for the links.

Here is a tiny selction of internet companies that you should also avoid:

microsoftsucks.org
mac-sucks.com
whylinuxsucks.org
paypalsucks.com
one and one is rubbish

...umm. Maybe we should all abandon the internet altogether and go back to gossipping in darkened corners