Your WBC experience

Sebby · Aug 20, 2009, 00:44:02

It does.

Rik · Aug 20, 2009, 08:26:04

Quote from: onlynik on Aug 19, 2009, 22:36:14
I'll gladly pass the bandwidth about. Only thing is you'll have to come and get it from Aberdeen

No problem, I can pick up some meat while I'm there too.

Noreen · Aug 20, 2009, 10:33:20

Tried to do a BT test this morning, it got to 100% completion on the actual test and then gave me the Error message.

Rik · Aug 20, 2009, 10:35:01

So it's not going to let you back for three hours either.

Rik · Aug 20, 2009, 11:25:10

Having moved back to my Max connection due to the problems with the MK WBC node, I have now revised my opinion of WBC.

Overall, I've gained 0.5Mb in speed, on a good spell that can rise to 1Mb. Latency is higher, by ~4ms, which is slightly odd, and stability is not as good - the router has been re-syncing every 3 days on average, compared to every 30-40 days with Max. (That figure is based on a different line, though as this one was converted to WBC quite soon after installation.)

In general, WBC 'feels' faster than Max for me, even when actual speeds, as measured by the BT tester, are not too dissimilar.

On balance, therefore, once the teething problems have been fixed, I'd say it was worth upgrading to WBC for people with quite long lines, 57db in my case. I suspect, though, that the longest lines, eg 63db, are likely to become very unstable with WBC, but we need a volunteer to test that theory.

Simon_idnet · Aug 20, 2009, 11:48:32

Perversely though ADSL2+ has a longer reach that ADSL Max. So, customers who currently cannot receive any service at all may get some, albeit slow, service from 2+.
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dujas · Aug 20, 2009, 11:54:43

Some people have seen average latency drop slightly when their ISP transitioned 20CN users to IPStream Connect.

Rik · Aug 20, 2009, 12:00:55

Quote from: Simon_idnet on Aug 20, 2009, 11:48:32
Perversely though ADSL2+ has a longer reach that ADSL Max. So, customers who currently cannot receive any service at all may get some, albeit slow, service from 2+.

Any ideas on the likely speeds for 63db+ lines, Simon, or is that a "how long's a piece of string" question?

Rik · Aug 20, 2009, 12:17:13

Quote from: dujas on Aug 20, 2009, 11:54:43
Some people have seen average latency drop slightly when their ISP transitioned 20CN users to IPStream Connect.

I think most have. I suspect my WBC connection has a greater interleaving depth than the Max one.

Simon_idnet · Aug 20, 2009, 14:34:58

It's very difficult to say because the quality of the wiring is especially important at very long distances but I have seen graphs that indicate a signal can reach up to 84dB attenuation = roughly 6KM.
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Rik · Aug 20, 2009, 14:59:34

That's quite something, Simon, thanks.

Sarah · Aug 20, 2009, 19:37:40

There's a graph on this Australian ISP's page: Internode :: Residential :: Broadband :: ADSL :: Extreme which corresponds to Simon's 6KM. (scroll down to "How fast can it be?") - no idea if the Australian ADSL2+ is the same as ours

but looks like a similar 'piece of string'. 57db to 67db lines gain almost nothing on this one, then above this they do.

Rik · Aug 20, 2009, 19:39:27

I'm on a 57db line and expected to gain nothing, but actually picked up 500k at minimum, so there's hope for all of us.

zappaDPJ · Aug 20, 2009, 23:31:51

Even me?

Simon · Aug 21, 2009, 01:25:34

Of course!

Ann · Aug 21, 2009, 07:22:11

The graph Sarah led us to is exactly right for me. It's the first time I've seen something accurate on the subject. The UK checkers online say I can get 3.5mb which is way, way wrong. I wonder why they are so badly out.

Rik · Aug 21, 2009, 08:42:07

Born optimists?

Noreen · Aug 21, 2009, 10:09:45

I've now been connected for over 167 hours and am still getting a good speed.

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Rik · Aug 21, 2009, 10:11:14

About 4x what I get, Noreen, I could do with that right now as I'm downloading a new set of maps for my TomTom and it's taking an hour.

Sebby · Aug 21, 2009, 13:35:29

Think how long it would've taken on dial-up!

Rik · Aug 21, 2009, 16:09:03

I did!

cyberbeast · Aug 25, 2009, 01:08:44

Sorry , should have posted in the help needed thread. Has been somewhat of a disaster up to now , prior to upgrade was getting throughput of 6 Mb/s consistently , now down to < 1Mb/s on adsl2+.
Not really much use having the extra bandwidth allowance with such cr*ppy speeds!

Rik · Aug 25, 2009, 08:33:21

Have you run a series of BT tests and let support have the results. At last count, 12 of the 500+ migratees were having this problem, which BT claim to have identified and were busy curing.

onlynik · Aug 25, 2009, 09:13:24

Quote from: Rik on Aug 25, 2009, 08:33:21
Have you run a series of BT tests and let support have the results. At last count, 12 of the 500+ migratees were having this problem, which BT claim to have identified and were busy curing.

I think BT may have fixed my issue. Still poor at night 3 or 4 meg, but in the morning I'm downloading at 20 meg. Sadly the BT speed test retuned an error during testing, but I tested elsewhere.

Rik · Aug 25, 2009, 09:17:07

I also had a BT test failure this morning, the first I can remember in a long time. Weird.