Karma..Yes...No..Don't care?

[Inactive]

OK, Adam has decided to withdraw the Karma set up without notice,  following complaints from a " couple " of members, according to Max.

Adam has also stated that it could be re-introduced.

My stand on this is;

It was fairly petty that any members should have been concerned enough about, I assume losing a few Karma's,  to have actually contacted the Mods in the first place.

For me, the Karma's were a giggle, a bit of fun, that is all.

What I didn't appreciate was having the system changed at the whim of a " couple " of members, and without any form of notice.

Now there is no Poll System on here, so what I am asking is for you to vote by stating;

Yes = I would like the Karma System restored.

No =  I don't want the Karma restored.

Don't Care  = I obviously couldn't care less.

Please just use this thread to vote on one of the three options, no explanations, feel free to start another thread if you want to discuss.

I will start the ball rolling by voting;


YES.

[Lance]

YES

(why not start a proper poll inactive?)

[AvengerUK]

Also:

YES

(why not start a proper poll inactive?)

[Nerval]

I assume it's the New Poll button on the far right that does it? 

[RJM]

Yes = I would like the Karma System restored.

It is just a little bit of fun - or was.

I find it rather strange that a "moderator" has withdrawn the service without consulting members first.

[Nerval]

That's another Yes from me too.
I'm owed at least three from this morning 

Must say I thought the withdrawal a little precipitate.

[Ray]

Another Yes here too

[Philip]

it's a bit of fun, I suppose, but to me it's not that important. So I'll vote "don't care" but that sounds a bit harsh, so what I really mean is I'm not bothered either way.

I'll still come here, karma or no karma. 

[old Bill]

Yes. It was a bit of fun.

[Inactive]

Yes. It was a bit of fun.

Did you read the original post Bill? This is a form of Poll.

Yes

No

Don't Know.

[old Bill]

YES.

[stevelondon]

Yes 

[maxping]

It was fairly petty that any members should have been concerned enough about, I assume losing a few Karma's,  to have actually contacted the Mods in the first place.

As Adam has already said the system was originally meant to give users a way to show appreciation for help given by other users, some users here obviously still think this is important and some do not ,some think deducting points for no reason is a laugh and some do not.
I do not think its petty to complain to the Admins if you think the system you see as important  is being abused.
I am not bothered either way but if its put back in  maybe a way round would be to only allow the giving of points.

[RobMc]

Karma - Don't care

being called a newbie just because I don't "play games" is a little condescending.

Rob

[maxping]

being called a newbie just because I don't "play games" is a little condescending.

Better than being called a NOOB    

[Mr Booh]

Don't Care!

I guess if one wants to show appreciation, they can always send a Five Shilling postal Order.

[Inactive]

As Adam has already said the system was originally meant to give users a way to show appreciation for help given by other users, some users here obviously still think this is important and some do not ,some think deducting points for no reason is a laugh and some do not.
I do not think its petty to complain to the Admins if you think the system you see as important  is being abused.
I am not bothered either way but if its put back in  maybe a way round would be to only allow the giving of points.

Cough... " From the OP;

" Please just use this thread to vote on one of the three options, no explanations, feel free to start another thread if you want to discuss. "..

So Max, any vote in line with the poll?

[Adam]

It would be greatly appreciated if you could, in future, use the poll feature when asking for the community to vote on something. Using the poll feature makes the results much easier to see and therefore use to make a decision. On that note, I have added a poll to this thread.

As for my position on the karma system, I believe in its existing state it is not suitable as it is open to abuse. There are a few options to keep in mind when voting and perhaps to discuss; one option could be to add a limit to the amount of karma a user can give and take within a day, another option would be to require moderator approval of karma changes, but the one option I think would be best would be to require a reason for giving and taking karma from a user.

Let me know what you think.

Adam

[Inactive]

OK, Adam as this has now turned in to a discussion thread, despite my original request, I will answer your points here.

I honestly didn't spot the " Poll " button, so apologies for that, however, it aint too difficult to count up a list of votes on a single thread.

It should be noted that not one single member has voted NO yet. ( on original format ).


Less than 24 hours ago you wrote;

However, it can easily be restored without any data loss at any time should the community decide the karma system is after all worthwhile.

You now appear to be retracting from that position?

As I said at the start, it was looked upon as a bit of fun by most members, now because a " couple "  ( according to Max ) of members have thrown their teddy's in the corner, it seems that it will not be reinstated in it's usual format.

Let the " community decide " as you clearly stated, or enforced Moderation as in new stringent user options, which will simply take the fun out things IMO.

Anyway, let the Poll run and see what happens.

Members will now need to vote again in the new format.

[Adam]

Just to clarify; the system as it was can be fully restored if the community decides it best. My above comments were simply suggestions for additions and changes that could ALSO be made to the system should it be restored.

Adam

[Nerval]

The number of votes for each option isn't showing.  Is it me or is that normal?

"Abuse" would of course be stopped by removing anonymity and requiring a comment for each karma given/removed as some other sites have - paidtoshop is one if I remember - though I don't know if that is possible on this one.

And/or just stop karma removal.

But are we not in danger of treating this trivial matter as far more important than it really is?

The main tenor of the forum is light- hearted and informal , there are few regular posters anyway who strive to keep the thing active, and I just wonder what all the fuss is about.
Didn't I read that Max had a spell of heavy karma removal, but just laughed and carried on?

And Adam refers to "if the community decides it best".  I don't remember "the community" deciding to remove the karma system.
Oh well.

[Adam]

I've fixed the poll, it was set to only show the results upon expiry (7 days), now anyone who votes can see the current results.

I made the decision to remove the karma system based on previous and other comments. It can be restored at any time, as I have said should the community decide. It would not have been appropriate to apply the same method to the removal of the system for various reasons and perhaps even karma abuse happening based on users votes.

Adam

[stevelondon]

gawd!! whoever it was that complained ide hate to play Scrabble with 

[RJM]

This becoming all rather purile now.

[Inactive]

gawd!! whoever it was that complained ide hate to play Scrabble with 

Ditto Steve, the bit that really miffs me is the way that some members have gone via the PM / email? route to the Moderator/s, instead of discussing the issue on open forum.

Oh well.