Don't plan any serious internet use on Saturday evening...

Rik · Oct 05, 2009, 10:20:20

The BBC reports that:

QuoteEngland's World Cup qualifier in Ukraine on Saturday will be shown exclusively live to subscribers on the internet who will pay at least £4.99.

All previously broadcast England matches have been available on TV.

Kentaro - an international agency appointed by the Ukrainian Football Federation - originally sold the UK rights for the game to Setanta.

But after the pay-TV firm collapsed, digital sport specialist Perform was appointed to stream the match online.

England have already qualified for the 2010 World Cup, winning all eight of their group matches.

It is understood none of the traditional broadcasters were willing to pay the asking price to screen the game, which kicks off at 1715 BST.

If sufficient people decide to watch, I suspect there will be bandwidth implications for all ISPs.

Simon · Oct 05, 2009, 10:24:51

Deep joy.

glen · Oct 05, 2009, 11:01:39

I'd prefer to watch on the tv or socialising at the bar with a few mates. I couldn't see 10 people crowding round a monitor to watch a football match

Rik · Oct 05, 2009, 11:36:15

Get a bigger monitor?

Steve · Oct 05, 2009, 12:55:07

I wonder what the download size will be for the whole match?

Rik · Oct 05, 2009, 12:56:57

I dread to think, Steve.

David · Oct 05, 2009, 13:00:01

I hate football

Rik · Oct 05, 2009, 13:02:14

Moi aussi.

Ray · Oct 05, 2009, 13:06:14

I used to like it, but it doesn't do much for me now, since it sold it's soul to the likes of Murdoch and the money men.

David · Oct 05, 2009, 13:06:45

I am thinking this means you agree ?

I hate the French too,worse than this ...........................French Footballers

David · Oct 05, 2009, 13:07:49

Quote from: Ray on Oct 05, 2009, 13:06:14
I used to like it, but it doesn't do much for me now, since it sold it's soul to the likes of Murdoch and the money men.

It has never done anything for me Ray I am one of those who cannot see the point in 22 men chasing a ball around

but each to their own

Rik · Oct 05, 2009, 13:10:35

That was Ray.

Back in the 70s, I quite enjoyed football, but then I became enlightened and moved over to rugby.

David · Oct 05, 2009, 13:13:34

Quote from: Rik on Oct 05, 2009, 13:10:35
That was Ray. Back in the 70s, I quite enjoyed football, but then I became enlightened and moved over to rugby.

I wonder what turns us into sports or non sports fans/followers ?

Ray · Oct 05, 2009, 13:17:11

Quote from: Rik on Oct 05, 2009, 13:10:35
That was Ray. Back in the 70s, I quite enjoyed football, but then I became enlightened and moved over to rugby.

He's a bit confused today, Rik, think he must have forgotten to take his tablets this morning,

I quite enjoyed football during the 60/70s but lost interest in the early 80s.

Rik · Oct 05, 2009, 13:18:13

Quote from: badpianoplayer on Oct 05, 2009, 13:13:34
I wonder what turns us into sports or non sports fans/followers ?

I don't know, David. It's like comedy, it's a very personal thing. I think there's too much money in football, and with that comes the politics and prima donnas, a bit like Formula 1 I suppose.

Ray · Oct 05, 2009, 13:19:09

I agree, Rik,

Rik · Oct 05, 2009, 13:19:15

Quote from: Ray on Oct 05, 2009, 13:17:11
He's a bit confused today, Rik, think he must have forgotten to take his tablets this morning, I quite enjoyed football during the 60/70s but lost interest in the early 80s.

Same here, though I didn't have a lot of time for it in the 60s, testosterone was my primary concern back then.

Ray · Oct 05, 2009, 13:20:37

David · Oct 05, 2009, 13:33:29

I'll name that netter in 3

bobleslie · Oct 05, 2009, 18:42:02

Quote from: Rik on Oct 05, 2009, 13:19:15

Same here, though I didn't have a lot of time for it in the 60s, testosterone was my primary concern back then.

Was that controlling it or increasing it?

Rik · Oct 05, 2009, 18:47:57

More pursuing the use of it, Bob.

bobleslie · Oct 05, 2009, 18:51:42

So controlling it, then.

Rik · Oct 05, 2009, 18:53:45

Sadly, yes.

Dopamine · Oct 05, 2009, 19:16:58

I don't watch football, but out of interest I just visited the subscription site and viewed their demo video. Even choosing their high quality option, the quality at full screen is dire; pixelated and grainy. If that's their idea of high quality, I dread to think how many complaints there will be.

http://www.ukrainevengland.com/register.jsp

Ray · Oct 05, 2009, 19:34:31

The quality's rubbish, I wouldn't be watching it even if I was interested..

Rik · Oct 05, 2009, 19:36:32

I hope everyone looks before they buy.

David · Oct 05, 2009, 20:16:06

Thats one less then

mrapoc · Oct 05, 2009, 22:23:09

iv seen just as good quality on justin.tv

which isnt exactly something you pay for...

id expect a much higher quality stream for that price - however most of the uk will probably have streaming problems on low bandwidth option

glen · Oct 06, 2009, 10:25:31

Well if anyone is interested here's a wee link, I use it all the time for premiership matches, quality not too bad, and I've seen worse. You need internet explorer to view or if you use firefox you can use the IE tabs plugin from the mozilla site.

Rik · Oct 06, 2009, 10:29:20

I can't see a link, Glen?

glen · Oct 06, 2009, 10:32:32

Thats because I'm being stupid. here's the link.

Link removed: Having studied the site, we're not convinced it's legal, sorry.

Rik · Oct 06, 2009, 10:39:16

Thanks.

Technical Ben · Oct 06, 2009, 23:08:30

I personally cannot see it working.

I would have thought it would be cheaper to send it via sky or the tele. But perhaps they want the revenue for the pay per view?
The way things are going, I might end up ditching the TV, the PC and the mobile... back to the stoneage for me if everything is pay per view

Dopamine · Oct 07, 2009, 00:10:40

If the master of making money from sport, Bernie Ecclestone, couldn't make money from pay TV in 2002 despite investing millions in infrastructure and enhanced camera streams, then it looks like it's not going to be as easy as Kentaro think it will be a few years later, unless they significantly increase the quality of the stream.

On a personal level I wish them every success, because I have no interest in football and am tired of it dominating the printed media and TV. Boxing marginalised itself by selling out to pay TV, so maybe football will follow suit.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/sport/article1180835.ece

juiceuk · Oct 07, 2009, 00:35:21

Quote from: glen on Oct 06, 2009, 10:32:32
Thats because I'm being stupid. here's the link.

Don't expect this to stay around after Sebby sees it. I had a post removed after posting a site like that (way better than that site). The site I posted even won it's court case to stay up.

If these sites are forced to close for providing links then search engines should be shut down too.

Edit: Link removed from quote.

Gary · Oct 07, 2009, 08:22:57

I dislike football so much, looks like its time to do what I do at weekends and enjoy the company of my wife.

David · Oct 07, 2009, 09:29:21

Pass I will settle for Mozart on the piano

Gary · Oct 07, 2009, 09:56:37

Quote from: badpianoplayer on Oct 07, 2009, 09:29:21
Pass I will settle for Mozart on the piano

I think that's called necrophilia, David, no matter where you have him

David · Oct 07, 2009, 10:00:50

Its preferable to the alternative Gary

There is more life in Mozart anyway

Rik · Oct 07, 2009, 10:01:18

Quote from: Gary on Oct 07, 2009, 09:56:37
I think that's called necrophilia, David, no matter where you have him

David · Oct 07, 2009, 10:03:48

Anything is better than football for me

Rik · Oct 07, 2009, 10:04:46

Right, let me just adjust your line for you...

David · Oct 07, 2009, 10:10:45

Would that be my washing line or my phone line

I think it will be a music lesson....

no it wont Joanne wont be here she is off toher friend for a sleepover

Rik · Oct 07, 2009, 10:23:14

Sounds like a solo performance then, David. Go for some Rachmaninov.

David · Oct 07, 2009, 10:26:32

I have never tried this mans stuff so I expect it will be old Beethoven or Mozart.......Scott Joplin may get an airing

Rik · Oct 07, 2009, 10:32:34

I should think you'd like the Russian composers, David.

David · Oct 07, 2009, 10:35:03

Yes I think I may have a look on Amazon for some sheet music

Rik · Oct 07, 2009, 10:38:56

See if there's any MP3 snippets you can listen to to give you an idea.

David · Oct 07, 2009, 10:46:13

I have a lot of CDs here Rik and I do love some of the music so will have to give them a play.

I can play some of Piano Concerto No 1 but its not an easy piece but one of my favourites I only play the intermediate version but its very dramatic I think I semi gave up on this so its worth going back to I think

Rik · Oct 07, 2009, 10:51:36

It's very soulful music.

Rik · Oct 07, 2009, 10:54:01

Quote from: juiceuk on Oct 07, 2009, 00:35:21
Don't expect this to stay around after Sebby sees it. I had a post removed after posting a site like that (way better than that site). The site I posted even won it's court case to stay up.

Thanks for inviting us to take a closer look at the link. Having done so, we are not convinced it is legal and have, therefore, removed it.

David · Oct 07, 2009, 11:01:32

And for me some of it very difficult to play but I like a challenge and its not usual for me to give up ...still have an injured finger from that fall and its a little painful on the joint but a bit of exercise may help it

Rik · Oct 07, 2009, 11:04:08

Or not...

David · Oct 07, 2009, 11:12:49

True but I have been thinking of late it may be timely to stop playing as I do suffer with severe pains in shoulders and neck and arms without this on top of that lot and I don't ever know when to stop and will suffer the following day but I like playing....if you can call it that

Rik · Oct 07, 2009, 11:16:19

Get a TENS machine, David, that could help.

David · Oct 07, 2009, 11:19:39

what is that ?

Rik · Oct 07, 2009, 11:21:01

Transcutaneous Electrical Nerve Stimulation. They were originally used to help labour pains, but now are used for all sorts of muscular pain. Most machines also have a massage mode built into them. I find it quite handy for back pain.

David · Oct 07, 2009, 11:27:08

Ohh a ray of hope can I buy one ?

glen · Oct 07, 2009, 11:40:55

I just posted the link for the benefit of people who like a bit of football, that's all. Illegal, did you ever.

Simon · Oct 07, 2009, 11:56:48

I have a TENS machine, David, and find it is very good. You can get them in Lloyd's Pharmacy for nothing that would break the bank.

David · Oct 07, 2009, 11:58:52

Thanks Simon I will check these out are they effective ? can you feel any immediate relief ?

Simon · Oct 07, 2009, 12:00:51

Don't take it personally, Glen. We are not certain that the site is legally permitted to stream such data, so we have to err on the side of caution, much as we would for sites illegally streaming copyrighted films.

David · Oct 07, 2009, 12:02:51

http://www.lloydspharmacy.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?catalogId=1008&storeId=90&productId=307101&langId=-1&parent_category_rn=&top=&top_category=&fromPage=Search&hotspot_prefix=

Found them its got to be worth £20 or so

Simon · Oct 07, 2009, 12:03:33

If you set it too high, you will certainly feel it immediately, David! Start off at the low setting, and increase to a comfortable level. I certainly felt the effects very quickly.

David · Oct 07, 2009, 12:04:53

David · Oct 07, 2009, 12:09:45

Glen didnt mean to hijack your thread

Rik · Oct 07, 2009, 15:00:10

Quote from: glen on Oct 07, 2009, 11:40:55
I just posted the link for the benefit of people who like a bit of football, that's all. Illegal, did you ever.

We sometimes have to make choices on links, Glen, that won't please everyone. Essentially, the question we ask is "Does this site promote something which could or would be considered illegal?" As a free forum, run by volunteers, we have to err on the side of caution - we don't have the funds to seek legal advice or to defend a legal action against us. On balance, we feel that the site you linked is probably linking to copyright material which is not meant for viewing in the UK, think of the case Sky & the FA brought against a publican who was buying access to matches from a Greek company who didn't have the rights to sell it in the UK. As Simon says, it's not personal and, while we try to be consistent, we're only human, we have to make a judgement call on the basis of what seems reasonable in the circumstances as we know them.

glen · Oct 07, 2009, 16:34:22

Quote from: badpianoplayer on Oct 07, 2009, 12:09:45
Glen didnt mean to hijack your thread

No problem chum.

glen · Oct 07, 2009, 16:37:22

Quote from: Simon on Oct 07, 2009, 12:00:51
Don't take it personally, Glen. We are not certain that the site is legally permitted to stream such data, so we have to err on the side of caution, much as we would for sites illegally streaming copyrighted films.

It's ok mate I know why, you can't take any chances with the authorities, cant give them half a chance.

Dopamine · Oct 07, 2009, 22:30:53

Quote from: Rik on Oct 07, 2009, 10:54:01
Thanks for inviting us to take a closer look at the link. Having done so, we are not convinced it is legal and have, therefore, removed it.

WTF!! Armchair lawyers now need convincing of the legality of something before they'll permit it to be linked to. Petty bureaucracy gone mad, but I suppose it's your sand pit, your rules and your little bit of power to wield.

Whatever you do, don't use Google. You'll be a gibbering wreck by the time you've waded through all the links to questionable sites.

Lance · Oct 07, 2009, 22:33:21

Dopamine, Google can afford a legal team and advice.

And as you say, our sandpit and our (published) rules.

Simon · Oct 07, 2009, 23:17:43

Quote from: Dopamine on Oct 07, 2009, 22:30:53Whatever you do, don't use Google. You'll be a gibbering wreck by the time you've waded through all the links to questionable sites.

People are quite at liberty to find all the illegal links they want to by using Google, and we wouldn't object for a moment, as long as they don't publish them here.

vitriol · Oct 08, 2009, 21:14:23

I certainly would not pay to watch a live sporting event on the internet I'm at the mercy of BT's hoddy infastructure.