Upload limits

[D-Dan]

I know that IDNet doesn't include upload in monthly allowance, and is fairly relaxed about the whole thing. However, in SecondLife I stream music from time to time, and from relay stats I've noticed people are tuning in from Shoutcast to the stream directly.

Since it's just an mp3 stream, am I likely to hit any T&C conditions if I leave it on 24/7 (or there abouts)?

Steve

I should add - I stream to a relay server - I'm not hosting the whole damn thing myself - so it's a single stream out.

[Steve]

Is it any worse than P2P on 24/7 probably not. When my son's at home I am often at 20-30Gb upload/month.

[D-Dan]

Based on the last hour an a half, 24/7 for 31 days would = about 3Gb

Steve

[Simon]

3Gb per month?  I can't see how that could be a problem, Steve.

[Steve]

Unless its identified as the transmission of copyright material etc etc

[Simon]

Yes, there is that.

[D-Dan]

All 50's - out of copyright according to UK law

Steve

[Lance]

That level of useage certainly wouldn't be a problem!

[Sebby]

If it was, I think IDNet would need to clarify what is acceptable upload usage.

[D-Dan]

Makes me feel better - but since the listener count dropped off - I shut it down for the day. I hate to disappoint people, but if there's no-one left to disappoint - what the hell

[drummer]

All 50's - out of copyright according to UK law

Steve

Not quite - the 50-year rule only applies to mechanical rights which are acquired from music publishers and copyright holders.  Mechanical rights generally refer to a physical product - vinyl, CD etc.

Music publishers and copyright holders retain their ownership until 70 years have passed from the date of the composer(s)' death.

Not that it actually matters though.

[D-Dan]

Not quite - the 50-year rule only applies to mechanical rights which are acquired from music publishers and copyright holders.  Mechanical rights generally refer to a physical product - vinyl, CD etc.

Music publishers and copyright holders retain their ownership until 70 years have passed from the date of the composer(s)' death.

Not that it actually matters though.

Well, technically it could be argued both ways:-

http://www.copyrightservice.co.uk/copyright/p01_uk_copyright_law

You suggest 6 (i) applies, though I would argue that 6 (ii) applies.

Steve

[Sebby]

Well I'd argue that 6 (iii) applies. Okay, I'll get my coat...

[drummer]

Well, technically it could be argued both ways:-

http://www.copyrightservice.co.uk/copyright/p01_uk_copyright_law

You suggest 6 (i) applies, though I would argue that 6 (ii) applies.

Steve

Apologies for being pedantic but 6 (i) refers to intellectual copyright whereas 6 (ii) refers to mechanical copyright.

As an example, Cliff Richard will stop earning royalties from his earlier recordings [6 (ii)] very soon, but the the estates of the songwriters [6 (i)] from those recordings will continue to accrue royalties for 70 years from the death of said songwriters, some of whom are still alive.  The latter of the two clauses is where copyrights become pertinent.

In the extremely unlikely event that you receive a "cease and desist" letter from a music publisher, you should be aware that if you don't comply, you will face legal action which you'll lose.

I applaud and support what you're doing but you need to know that the music industry is crapping its pants for no good reason at the moment and is so desperate, it's sunk to the depths of recruiting Peter Mandelson as their cheerleader.

Just be careful is all.

[D-Dan]

Well in that case, if I critcally assess each track before broadcast, then bullet points 3 and 9 of clause 8 have got my back covered

Steve