BT 21CN WBC Exchanges to be enabled by Winter 2010

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East Midlands
BIRCHWOOD TE
BOURNE TE
GLENFIELD TE
GREAT OAKLEY TE
HARROWDEN TE
LOUTH TE
MICKLEOVER TE
SHERWOOD TE
ST BARNABAS TE
WEST WIGSTON TE

East of England
CAMBRIDGE TRUNKS
CANVEY ISLAND TE
CHAFFORD HUNDRED TE
COSTESSEY TE
DEREHAM TE
EAST BAY TE (Colchester)
GARSTON TE
GORLESTON TE
GREAT YARMOUTH TE
KESGRAVE TE
KINGS LANGLEY TE
MARCH TE
MILDENHALL TE
PURFLEET TE
RADLETT TE
SHEFFORD TE
WERRINGTON TE
WOODHAM FERRERS TE

London
CHELSEA TE (in South Kensington TE - OECP)
CLAPTON TE
EARLS COURT TE (in Fulham TE - OECP)
KENTON ROAD TE
NORTH EDGWARE TE
POPLAR TE
WEST KENSINGTON TE (in Fulham TE - OECP)
WINCHMORE HILL TE

North East
ASHINGTON TE (NE)
BENTON TE
ESTON GRANGE TE
MARTON TE (NE)
NEWCASTLE WEST TE

North West
ANFIELD TE
ARDWICK TE
BRAMHALL TE
CHILDWALL TE
CHORLEY TE
CRESSINGTON PARK TE
DARWEN TE
KENDAL TE
KNUTSFORD TE
LARK LANE TE
LYTHAM TE
MARPLE TE
MORECAMBE TE
NESTON TE
NETHERLEY TE
NEW MILLS TE
PENWORTHAM TE
RAMSBOTTOM TE
RINGWAY TE
TODMORDEN TE
WESTHOUGHTON TE

Northern Ireland
ARMAGH TE
BALLYMONEY TE
BALLYSILLAN TE
BANBRIDGE TE
BROOKHALL TE
DUNGANNON TE
GLENGORMLEY TE
LARNE TE
LIMAVADY TE
STRABANE TE

Scotland
ABERDEEN NORTH TE
ARBROATH TE
ARDROSSAN TE
ASHGROVE TE
BEARSDEN TE
BROUGHTY FERRY TE
CAMBUSLANG TE
DUNDEE TE
FORFAR TE
GREENOCK TE
IBROX TE
INVERKEITHING TE
IRVINE BOURTREE TE
KINGSWELLS TE
MERRYLEE TE
MONTROSE TE
MORNINGSIDE TE
NEWTON MEARNS TE
TRANENT TE

South East
BAGSHOT TE
BORDON TE
BROADSTAIRS TE
BROOKWOOD TE
BUCKINGHAM TE
CATERHAM TE
COBHAM TE
CRANLEIGH TE
ERITH TE
FLEET TE
HOLMER GREEN TE
MARLOW TE
MOORHILL TE
PORTSMOUTH CENTRAL TE
ROTTINGDEAN TE
STROOD TE
THAME TE
THAMES DITTON TE

South West
BIDEFORD TE
BLUNSDON TE
BROADSTONE TE
CHARD TE
CHELTENHAM ATE
DURSLEY TE
LISKEARD TE
SOUTHBOURNE TE
TAVISTOCK TE
WORLE TE
YATTON TE

Wales
HAWARDEN TE
MOLD TE
NEWTOWN LLANTWIT TE

West Midlands
ALSAGER TE
ATHERSTONE TE
BLYTHE BRIDGE TE
BRIDGNORTH TE
DUNCHURCH TE
FOUR OAKS TE
HEADLESS CROSS GSC TE
HEATH HAYES TE
HEDNESFORD TE
KENILWORTH TE
KINGSWINFORD TE
LONGTON TE (Mid)
POLESWORTH TE
TOLL BAR TE
UTTOXETER TE
WORCESTER (ST JOHNS) TE
BROOMHILL TE

Yorkshire and the Humber
HOLMFIRTH TE
HORBURY/OSSETT TE
HOYLAND TE
PENISTONE TE
RANMOOR TE
RAWDON TE
WATH UPON DEARNE TE
WICKERSLEY TE

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This will take coverage up to 61% of UK households and businesses, the next batch of exchanges (to take coverage up to 75% by Spring 2011) is expected to be announced in a few months time.

[Gary]

I sadly see ours never being done 

[wecpcs]

I sadly see ours never being done 

Mine either 

Colin

[Lance]

Mines on the list at last!!! 

[Glenn]

Mines not on the WBC list, but is on the FTTC list 

[talos]

As usual Wales doesn't exist to these people, untill they want something of course

[Rik]

Maybe you'll get away without the phone tax too, Bob.

[cavillas]

Don't they only have Miners, Choirs, Sheep and long place names in Wales?

[Rik]

I think you missed the leeks, Alf.

[Gary]

I think you missed the leeks, Alf.

I love leeks. Leek and Stilton soup mmmm

[Rik]

Forget the leeks and soup, just pass the Stilton.

[Gary]

Forget the leeks and soup, just pass the Stilton.

or the Roquefort

[Rik]

I'm partial to Gorgonzola myself.

[Gary]

I'm partial to Gorgonzola myself.

Just Cheese......I have to avoid it weight wise though, it puts pounds on me just smelling it

[Rik]

For me it's also the salt problem.

[Gary]

For me it's also the salt problem.

There is always something bad about something good it seems

[Rik]

Yup. 

[rgt247]

Roll On Spring 2011 !!!

[Rik]

They're taking salt out of cheese then?

[quandam]

I sadly see ours never being done 

Gary

Me too!

[Technical Ben]

We use to all joke around here about Bourne being the back of beyond, with locals and simpletons. Not were stuck in the stone age and their off into the future!

I'll post it again...

[Steve]

I am surprised how much Bourne has changed in the last 10 years lots and lots of new developments

[sobranie]

Forget the leeks and soup, just pass the Stilton.

Hopw about a brace of succulent chump pork chops swimming in a port and stilton sauce for starters Rik.
Or maybe we should stick to a bowl of cornflakes (far more nutritious according to my doctor)

[Gary]

Gary

Me too!

Its not good Q I take it you are Rural? Our area has less a very low population count, and many are elderly, I cannot see WBC being put in here, we do not even have any other providers, its a BT only exchange 

[Den]

How is it that Wrexham (part of) has upgraded and now Hawarden and Mold, Gresford is in the middle and not mentioned any more.   

[Glenn]

I passed my driving test in and around Mold, many years ago.

Do the 2 exchanges have a bigger user base?

[Steve]

Gresford showing on Sam Knows as 31/03/2010 rfs WBC

[Lance]

We use to all joke around here about Bourne being the back of beyond, with locals and simpletons. Not were stuck in the stone age and their off into the future!

I'll post it again...

I like that! Now, if we could just include Ipswich on the broken off piece...

[Rik]

Its not good Q I take it you are Rural? Our area has less a very low population count, and many are elderly, I cannot see WBC being put in here, we do not even have any other providers, its a BT only exchange 

WBC will go in everywhere as BT wants to shut down the old network.

[Tacitus]

WBC will go in everywhere as BT wants to shut down the old network.

If it went in round here we would still get the same poor connection rates.  From a user pov it's not worth doing, unless they upgrade the cables through the village and I can't see that happening.  Even then, at 2.5 miles from the exchange it's doubtful we would get much more than 4/5meg.

[Rik]

They won't be doing it to improve the service for customers, Tac, it's purely for economics.

[nowster]

The "old network" that Rik refers to is the PDH/SDH telephone network, being replaced by a newer ethernet-based network using MPLS tunnelling over gigabit (and multi-gigabit) fibre. Telephony would be carried as VoIP.

[Gary]

WBC will go in everywhere as BT wants to shut down the old network.

It may not be economical to update an exchange with less that 2000 people on it Rik, and about 10 businesses, no one seems to know if and when it will happen, BT could not fund ADSL at some exchanges due to the lack of a Business Case; they having such small numbers of subscribers. They were eventually funded by other means. So there may be a case that its not financially viable to update such small exchanges surely? If they do upgrade however then its going to be another three years probably 2013 is the supposed finish date, by then I imagine so many services may be designed for the fast exchanges that for the small ones not on WBC wireless provider may have moved in and BT may lose custom..

Edit: It would seem Kijoma are now taking orders for a 30mbps wireless service in my area 6 mth contact with a upload speed of 20mbps, prices don't look to bad either, you have to have an aerial installed but for that speed with a 10ms latency it may well be worth it

[Tacitus]

It may not be economical to update an exchange with less that 2000 people on it Rik, and about 10 businesses, no one seems to know if and when it will happen, BT could not fund ADSL at some exchanges due to the lack of a Business Case; they having such small numbers of subscribers. ......

I don't think anyone knows what the cut off point is in terms of subscribers.  My exchange has, according to SamKnows, 4600 residential subscribers and 149 non-residential - presumably business.  The only LLU are TT and Orange.

Whilst this is unlikely to give it a high priority for WBC, I would have thought it worth doing at some point, although the real problems round here are poor cables and ducting.   

[Gary]

I don't think anyone knows what the cut off point is in terms of subscribers.  My exchange has, according to SamKnows, 4600 residential subscribers and 149 non-residential - presumably business.  The only LLU are TT and Orange.

Whilst this is unlikely to give it a high priority for WBC, I would have thought it worth doing at some point, although the real problems round here are poor cables and ducting.   

We have a lot less than that and no LLU providers, I have asked Kijoma about their WIFI Encrypted network, for £23 +vat you get 20GB for the speeds advertised, and without profiling or copper getting in the way, it may be well worth it 30mbps down and 20Mbps up is very tempting, I will have to see the cost of having an aerial installed, also it beats waiting 3 years possibly.

[Rik]

All I know is, Gary, that BT want to shut the old network down, and the price incentives for ISPs to move customers is significant. I can't believe, therefore that BT won't, eventually, replace every DSLAM with an MSAN.

[Gary]

All I know is, Gary, that BT want to shut the old network down, and the price incentives for ISPs to move customers is significant. I can't believe, therefore that BT won't, eventually, replace every DSLAM with an MSAN.

By the time BT get around to the smaller exchanged ADSL2+ will obsolete  Even virgin are trying new ideas like fibre from telegraph poles, BT just stagnate

[Rik]

True, you may jump straight from Max to FTTC/P.

[Technical Ben]

Roll on quantum entanglement. Although with BT involved that might be dangerous.

[Rik]

Ouch.

[adamr8965]

Im happy for fftc here, and not bother about wbc, infact in going to go and start digging the roads up for bt, give them a helping hand. 

[Rik]

 

[Rapier Racer]

Can anyone say roughly speaking how likely the dates for those exchanges are to slip? I Tranent is on the list which is good news for me 31st of March is the reported date. I'm wondering if it doesn't slip and they do actually get it done by then can I immediately place and upgrade order for it?

[Glenn]

I believe, when it is availble to you, it will show on your IDNet account page.

[Steve]

Mine has slipped from that 31/03/10 to not on the list at all. Support may have more information.

[Rapier Racer]

I shall see how things go in the days after its supposed to happen. Where is the most up to date list located? I've been going by SamKnows.

[adamr8965]

sames has happened to my exchange racer, was showing as 31/03/2010, phoned support and they said sam knows was well out of date, and that bt set a date, just to get the exchange dates up. Dont hold your breathe on anything happening at the end of the month.

[Technical Ben]

Or was it "BT set a date to string us all along and get us to trust them" or perhaps some other business incentive. Much like the broken promises of many.

[hells bells]

We already have 21 CN WBC and quite frankly, we can't tell the difference!
There has been no improvement in speeds or reliability (and we live in a city!). I'm happy to say though, its not hindered us either!

Roll on FTTC is all I can say!

[Rik]

I also live in a city, but have gained 1.5Mb from WBC. It's very much a YMMV product.

[adamr8965]

cities are rubbish yorkshire the place to live!!!!!

[Rik]

Or Scotland...

[Glenn]

Prefer Bermuda, myself.

[Rik]

Too hot.

[Glenn]

It's cooler than you think, sitting on a similar latitude to Washington DC, still warm though.

[Rik]

Define warm.

[Glenn]

Aug temps 25 - 30c

[Glenn]

Take a look at this http://www.weather.bm/data/climatology.html

[Rik]

I'd be OK if I avoided the summer months.

[Technical Ben]

As long as we do not get the same weather as Moscow! 

[Rik]

That certainly wouldn't suit me greatly...

[Rapier Racer]

sames has happened to my exchange racer, was showing as 31/03/2010, phoned support and they said sam knows was well out of date, and that bt set a date, just to get the exchange dates up. Dont hold your breathe on anything happening at the end of the month.

I certainly would not hold my breath over BT, a good way to end up passed out on the floor.

Edit: lol! I just used the wholesale availability checker, the date has slipped a little....November 30th!

[Rik]

St Andrew's Day. Perfect.

[adamr8965]

Still prefer yorkshire myself.

[Rik]

Phil. E. Stine

[adamr8965]

who's he? 

[Rik]

A New Yorker who didn't appreciate haggis. Normally written as philistine. 

[adamr8965]