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pctech

Was thinking the same thing  :out:

Tacitus

Quote from: Gary on Jun 03, 2010, 08:44:43
........I do wonder though if AV companies push Malware fear, or even Malware to sell products  :eyebrow:

No operating system can guard against this type of social engineering.  Once you give your admin password it's game over.

The real problem is that when Intego find something that is truly bad, nobody will be listening.


pctech

No there's a conspiuracy theory

Gary

Quote from: Tacitus on Jun 03, 2010, 20:55:12
No operating system can guard against this type of social engineering.  Once you give your admin password it's game over.

The real problem is that when Intego find something that is truly bad, nobody will be listening.


Oh people are listening already, its just that Intego is like symantec was years back, bloated and unwanted, which is why people are keeping their eyes on forums and watching for the answer, and its not a bloated suite that no body needs with ten running processes, if you get my drift  ;)
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Tacitus

Quote from: Gary on Jun 03, 2010, 21:55:14
Oh people are listening already, its just that Intego is like symantec was years back, bloated and unwanted, which is why people are keeping their eyes on forums and watching for the answer, and its not a bloated suite that no body needs with ten running processes, if you get my drift  ;)

TBH of all the AV suites for the Mac, Intego was the one that gave the least trouble when I gave it a trial run.  Since it never found any malware, I can't vouch for whether it was doing what it was supposed to.  :)  Norton OTOH, installed all sorts of low level kernel stuff, no doubt in an effort to catch some of the rootkits, but this gave endless trouble.

However with Intego's new version they've added a firewall.  Whereas with the previous version, if you stopped subscribing you simply didn't get the updates, now the whole thing - firewall included - just stops working, potentially leaving your machine in a relatively insecure state.  Before the PC comedians start, I use the term 'relatively insecure' since there's no such thing as 100% security.....   :)

Whereas in the past I would have considered Intego AV, now I wouldn't.


Gary

Quote from: Tacitus on Jun 04, 2010, 08:20:14
TBH of all the AV suites for the Mac, Intego was the one that gave the least trouble when I gave it a trial run.  Since it never found any malware, I can't vouch for whether it was doing what it was supposed to.  :)  Norton OTOH, installed all sorts of low level kernel stuff, no doubt in an effort to catch some of the rootkits, but this gave endless trouble.

However with Intego's new version they've added a firewall.  Whereas with the previous version, if you stopped subscribing you simply didn't get the updates, now the whole thing - firewall included - just stops working, potentially leaving your machine in a relatively insecure state.  Before the PC comedians start, I use the term 'relatively insecure' since there's no such thing as 100% security.....   :)

Whereas in the past I would have considered Intego AV, now I wouldn't.


Its sad when companies get greedy but X6 is horrid, I trust as Macs become a bigger market better AV's will develop, alas greed governs everything, I have the Mac OS firewall, my routers firewall I only need an AV when the times comes, something that does not overly complicate issues either. Its a big open field, I'm sure we will see something decent arrive.  :)
Damned, if you do damned if you don't

Adam

I run Kaspersky on my Macs, it sits nicely in the background and works perfectly. OS X may be more secure in certain ways thanks to the UNIX core, but nothing is 100% secure. Running no protection at all and relying on security through obscurity is asking for trouble.  ;)
Adam

Gary

Quote from: Adam on Jun 04, 2010, 22:18:42
I run Kaspersky on my Macs, it sits nicely in the background and works perfectly. OS X may be more secure in certain ways thanks to the UNIX core, but nothing is 100% secure. Running no protection at all and relying on security through obscurity is asking for trouble.  ;)
I would never touch Kaspersky myself it messes with your harddrive by tagging files permanently, I have suffered at the hands of that AV before, on Windows and would never touch it again, even if you paid me to, that's just my opinion on that AV.
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Tacitus

Quote from: Adam on Jun 04, 2010, 22:18:42
.... Running no protection at all and relying on security through obscurity is asking for trouble.  ;)

Depends where you hang out of course.....   :)

I know a Mac user who never pays for software and gets it all from torrrents and Warez sites.  Despite all my warnings about the risks, she runs no AV at all and claims never to have had a problem.  How she would know remains a mystery, since I doubt she regularly watches processes with Activity Monitor, even if she knew which was which.

Now that really is asking for trouble....


Gary

Quote from: Tacitus on Jun 05, 2010, 16:06:47
Depends where you hang out of course.....   :)

I know a Mac user who never pays for software and gets it all from torrrents and Warez sites.  Despite all my warnings about the risks, she runs no AV at all and claims never to have had a problem.  How she would know remains a mystery, since I doubt she regularly watches processes with Activity Monitor, even if she knew which was which.

Now that really is asking for trouble....


Thats scary tbh, I check regularly and have tightened down OSX as much as possible, but I will use a AV as and when its needed, and not one that messes with OSX permissions system.
Damned, if you do damned if you don't

pctech

Only machine you can run without AV at all these days is one without any network connection whatsoever.

Steve

Not forgetting though the person operating the keyboard, I used Windows for 18 years and never had a virus detected despite all that money I spent on AV software perhaps I've been lucky.
Steve
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Gary

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Quote from: Steve on Jun 05, 2010, 20:41:18
Not forgetting though the person operating the keyboard, I used Windows for 18 years and never had a virus detected despite all that money I spent on AV software perhaps I've been lucky.
I never did as well but then I never opened emails with titles like luVed Yu in ThI3 V1d30 :) but times are changing even for macs, I just cant see a decent AV yet that really benefits Macs, most benefit Windows users.
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cavillas

QuoteI just cant see a decent AV yet that really benefits Macs, most benefit Windows users.

Thats because most anti virus software is built using Windows software and most virus writers use Linux or windows to write the viruses bacause they can't afford a MAC. ;D :P
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Gary

Quote from: cavillas on Jun 06, 2010, 12:13:35
Thats because most anti virus software is built using Windows software and most virus writers use Linux or windows to write the viruses bacause they can't afford a MAC. ;D :P
a article about Mac Malware http://www.reedcorner.net/thomas/guides/macvirus/
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