Justin TV

[psp83]

Hey.

Just lately I'm getting extremely laggy streaming from Justin.tv in offpeak hours but its fine in normal hours.

Has anyone else notice that ?

A friend of mine doesn't get any lag (he's on a diff ISP)

Do you think I should drop support an email ?

[DorsetBoy]

Quietly goes off to fnd out what the heck JustinTV is........... 

[psp83]

ok its even lagging in normal hours now 

does this lag for anyone else : http://www.justin.tv/lilboicc (its a call of duty : mw2 stream)

[DorsetBoy]

Well their site is very very slow to load on a non IDNet connection and pings/tracerts time out if that is any indication.

[psp83]

hmm.


C:\Users\Paul>tracert www.justin.tv

Tracing route to a1142.w7.akamai.net [92.123.154.48]
over a maximum of 30 hops:

  1    <1 ms    <1 ms    <1 ms  192.168.0.1
  2    17 ms    15 ms    16 ms  telehouse-gw2-lo1.idnet.net [212.69.63.51]
  3    16 ms    16 ms    15 ms  telehouse-gw3-g0-1-400.idnet.net [212.69.63.243]
  4    16 ms    16 ms    15 ms  telehouse-gw5-e4-400.idnet.net [212.69.63.245]
  5    16 ms    15 ms    16 ms  lonap.netarch.akamai.com [193.203.5.72]
  6    16 ms    16 ms    16 ms  a92-123-154-48.deploy.akamaitechnologies.com [92.123.154.48]

Trace complete.

Everything seems fine for me but all streams are lagging bad.

[Rik]

Site slow, otherwise OK.

[Technical Ben]

May be down to how many users are using the site. I'm guessing they get inundated by gamers.

[Rik]

It seemed to be drawing material from other sites too, which often slows things.

[psp83]

This is the lag I'm getting :

[link removed]

Video is a screen recording of the stream I tried to watch last night while doing some late night work.

[Rik]

I'm not seeing anything like that, Paul.

[psp83]

Perhaps I should email support to see if they can see anything wrong.

[Rik]

Worth a try, have you tested this morning?

[psp83]

Yes, Its still lagging. It doesn't normally lag in the day time.

[Rik]

OK here, so check whether support know anything.

[psp83]

Just emailed them, will wait and see what they say.

Gave them the link to the screen capture aswell so they can see what I mean.

[pctech]

Be aware that this site allows its users to use their machines as streaming servers so as well as the route from IDNet to justin.tv (which appears to be hosted on the akamai CDN and in my case that means from a cache server on my ISP's network) you also have to take into account lag induced by their ISP network and their connection method (DSL or other)

[psp83]

Be aware that this site allows its users to use their machines as streaming servers so as well as the route from IDNet to justin.tv (which appears to be hosted on the akamai CDN and in my case that means from a cache server on my ISP's network) you also have to take into account lag induced by their ISP network and their connection method (DSL or other)

Yeah I know that.. But my mate watches the same stream as me and when I'm getting lag he isn't. So its not the streamers connection, It has to be something after the streamers connection.

So I just want to know if its my connection or not, if it's not then I can deal with that and wait to JTV fixes there issues.

[pctech]

Is your mate getting the same connection speed as you or is it slightly faster?

[Rik]

So I just want to know if its my connection or not, if it's not then I can deal with that and wait to JTV fixes there issues.

Have you tried it on a different machine or browser, Paul?

[psp83]

Is your mate getting the same connection speed as you or is it slightly faster?

We both have 5mb profiles.

[psp83]

Have you tried it on a different machine or browser, Paul?

Yep, Tried my Win 7 laptop and Vista laptop with Opera 10, Safari 5, Chrome 6, FireFox 3.6 & IE8

I've also removed Flash and re-installed, I've updated drivers.

[Rik]

Oh well, there goes another theory.

[pctech]

Paul can you PM me the stream link and I'll test it on my connection (though I've only get 1.93 MB) and see how it goes?

[psp83]

The one I normally watch isn't online yet : http://www.justin.tv/sfxkona

But at the moment, any stream I watch is lagging.

[Rik]

Link's at reply #2, Mitch.

[pctech]

sorry missed that, streams seem to be working ok for me.

[psp83]

Ok. Been doing a quick test..

I connected my win 7 laptop to my Three MIFI (2.5mb down & 1.5mb up) and get no lag when watching, watch the same stream on my pc and it lags.

Stream : http://www.justin.tv/nswtv01o (just picked at random - its wrestling atm)

[Rik]

Pass that on to support, Paul, with a trace if you can.

[psp83]

Pass that on to support, Paul, with a trace if you can.

Will do.

Perhaps its trying to tell me something.. stop watching JTV and save the bandwidth!!! 

[pctech]

here is the route my traffic is taking but am listening to a live stream and its only buffered once

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C:\Documents and Settings\Admin>tracert www.justin.tv

Tracing route to a1142.w7.akamai.net [84.53.174.17]
over a maximum of 30 hops:

 1    <1 ms    <1 ms    <1 ms  192.168.0.1
 2    14 ms    28 ms    16 ms  losubs.subs.dsl3.th-lon.zen.net.uk [62.3.84.25]

 3    16 ms    14 ms    13 ms  ge-0-0-0-117.cr2.th-lon.zen.net.uk [62.3.84.197]

 4    29 ms    21 ms    21 ms  ge-3-0-0-0.cr1.wh-man.zen.net.uk [62.3.80.46]
 5    21 ms    21 ms    21 ms  ge-2-0-0-0.cr2.wh-man.zen.net.uk [62.3.80.50]
 6    21 ms    20 ms    33 ms  akamai-2-serverc-wh.zen.co.uk [82.71.193.2]
 7    21 ms    21 ms    20 ms  84.53.174.17

Trace complete.

At a guess there's a problem with LONAP?

[pctech]

Though if your mate is using ID and is getting buffer free streaming it sounds like some sort of weird BT issue.

[psp83]

So I'm guessing its a routing issue?

C:\Users\Paul>tracert www.justin.tv

Tracing route to a1142.w7.akamai.net [92.123.154.48]
over a maximum of 30 hops:

  1    <1 ms    <1 ms    <1 ms  192.168.0.1
  2    16 ms    16 ms    16 ms  telehouse-gw2-lo1.idnet.net [212.69.63.51]
  3    16 ms    15 ms    17 ms  telehouse-gw3-g0-1-400.idnet.net [212.69.63.243]
  4    16 ms    16 ms    16 ms  telehouse-gw5-e4-400.idnet.net [212.69.63.245]
  5    16 ms    16 ms    17 ms  lonap.netarch.akamai.com [193.203.5.72]
  6    16 ms    17 ms    16 ms  a92-123-154-48.deploy.akamaitechnologies.com [92.123.154.48]

Trace complete.


Sometimes I get 6 hops and sometimes I get 7 hops with IP's being #6 & 7 on the tracert with 7 hops.

[sof2er]

Ok. Been doing a quick test..

I connected my win 7 laptop to my Three MIFI (2.5mb down & 1.5mb up) and get no lag when watching, watch the same stream on my pc and it lags.

Stream : http://www.justin.tv/nswtv01o (just picked at random - its wrestling atm)

Stream doesn't lag for me at all

Tracing route to a1142.w7.akamai.net [92.123.154.48]
over a maximum of 30 hops:

  1    <1 ms    <1 ms    <1 ms  192.168.1.1
  2    38 ms    21 ms    21 ms  telehouse-gw2-lo1.idnet.net [212.69.63.51]
  3    24 ms    21 ms    22 ms  telehouse-gw3-g0-1-400.idnet.net [212.69.63.243]

  4    22 ms    21 ms    22 ms  telehouse-gw5-e4-400.idnet.net [212.69.63.245]
  5    22 ms    22 ms    22 ms  lonap.netarch.akamai.com [193.203.5.72]
  6    22 ms    22 ms    21 ms  a92-123-154-48.deploy.akamaitechnologies.com [92.123.154.48]

Trace complete.

[psp83]

Though if your mate is using ID and is getting buffer free streaming it sounds like some sort of weird BT issue.

He's on talktalk

[pctech]

Sounds like a LONAP routing issue.

[pctech]

This is the stream I am currently listening to http://justin.tv/minimal_labor_ost

[psp83]

sof2er this is a fibre free zone  



You take the same route as me but you dont lag.

JTV just hates me then!  

[pctech]

Don't you hate these smug fibre people although I might be able to get 100 Meg fibre soon which should make DSL look like dial-up 

[sof2er]

 , it takes the same route it shouldn't have anything to do with fiber I think.

[pctech]

Odds on its exchange congestion then.

[Rik]

I think so.

[gingerjedi]

deleted: wrong thread

[Rik]

They're all wrong, Ginger.

[pctech]

Only solution might be for IDNet to start unbundling although I know its an expensive business both in build out but also monthly rentals.

[Rik]

They have looked at alternatives, eg Be.

[pctech]

This is the stream I am currently listening to http://justin.tv/minimal_labor_ost

Thanks for reminding me about this site Paul, have kept dipping into the stream I linked to earlier and the music those two DJs are pumping out is first class.