Other Idnet customers DLNA server appearing on my PS3

jimc · Oct 11, 2010, 23:00:59

This is a strange one
was just browsing to my server via my ps3 and another unknown streaming server appeared, done some checking
and it seems to be from another idnet customer ?.
can detect no other wireless networks around me. I have their external IP but don't want to publish it unless necessary
any one any ideas
I will contact support in the morning never the less.

Simon · Oct 11, 2010, 23:03:50

Please don't publish it!

Unless anyone has any ideas, I think this is definitely one for IDNet.

psp83 · Oct 11, 2010, 23:58:54

What was the name of the DNLA device? I have a few here and not come across this before.

jimc · Oct 12, 2010, 01:03:52

It is a wag320N
Linksys by cisco dual band wireless n adsl2+ modem router with gigabit
I have never come across this either
quite puzzling

Rik · Oct 12, 2010, 10:13:40

Definitely one for support, Jim.

jimc · Oct 12, 2010, 10:50:55

IDNET network guys investigating now

Rik · Oct 12, 2010, 10:52:51

Thanks, Jim, I'll be interested in the outcome.

pctech · Oct 12, 2010, 10:56:16

So would I actually, in theory though as you are all on the same network this could happen.

I suppose the IDNet engineers will need to put some blocks in place so that the discovery packets aren't routed round the network

Steve · Oct 12, 2010, 11:35:11

I'm hoping it's not mine,I do run a DLNA server

jimc · Oct 12, 2010, 11:40:01

so do you have a wag320n Steve ?

Steve · Oct 12, 2010, 11:41:41

Certainly not

Mine is probably identified as Vortexbox

jimc · Oct 12, 2010, 11:51:55

ahh never heard of that looks interesting

Technical Ben · Oct 12, 2010, 13:59:19

I could be totally wrong here but... (Googles DLNA server)...
... My guess would be it's a similar bug that happened on the old Messenger and webcams. Those were automatically setup to "broadcast" all data. So there were hundreds of CCTV and home webcams open to the internet at one point.

I wonder if the other IDNet customer has keyed in the wrong settings, or the software/hardware has a bug where it's being broadcast/sent somewhere it should not.

[edit]
Aparently the google search to find such webcams is http://www.google.com/search?q=inurl:/view.shtml. That's what happens when your settings are wrong, it's all sent to google!

[edit]
LOL Cows... http://cam1.8484.ch/local/view/view.shtml
(Not sure if this break forum rules, these are technically "public" broadcast webcams.

jimc · Oct 12, 2010, 14:36:35

If a bug was the case I would expect quite a few more reports of this sort of thing and I would see a lot more DLNA servers myself ?
I agree it could be a customer config error this sounds probable.
I started just after the latest BT outages, I wonder if they may be related ?

have not heard back from IDNET yet

Gary · Oct 12, 2010, 14:43:12

Quote from: Technical Ben on Oct 12, 2010, 13:59:19
I could be totally wrong here but... (Googles DLNA server)...
... My guess would be it's a similar bug that happened on the old Messenger and webcams. Those were automatically setup to "broadcast" all data. So there were hundreds of CCTV and home webcams open to the internet at one point.
I wonder if the other IDNet customer has keyed in the wrong settings, or the software/hardware has a bug where it's being broadcast/sent somewhere it should not.

[edit]
Aparently the google search to find such webcams is http://www.google.com/search?q=inurl:/view.shtml. That's what happens when your settings are wrong, it's all sent to google!
[edit]
LOL Cows... http://cam1.8484.ch/local/view/view.shtml
(Not sure if this break forum rules, these are technically "public" broadcast webcams.

I used to watch loads of those on Google

pctech · Oct 12, 2010, 16:25:01

If you are watching a cow cam, wouldn't you call it a moovie?

Rik · Oct 12, 2010, 16:25:46

pctech · Oct 12, 2010, 16:27:18

Ray · Oct 12, 2010, 16:40:01

Quote from: pctech on Oct 12, 2010, 16:25:01
If you are watching a cow cam, wouldn't you call it a moovie?

That's worth a double, Mitch,

pctech · Oct 12, 2010, 16:41:10

Simon · Oct 12, 2010, 18:42:38

Quote from: pctech on Oct 12, 2010, 16:25:01
If you are watching a cow cam, wouldn't you call it a moovie?

Especially if it was made on the hoof.

Rik · Oct 12, 2010, 18:43:28

That's udderly terrible.

pctech · Oct 12, 2010, 18:45:31

So is that Rik.

Simon · Oct 12, 2010, 18:47:26

Pull the udder one!

Rik · Oct 12, 2010, 18:48:18

pctech · Oct 12, 2010, 18:51:59

You're really milking it noiw Simon

jimc · Oct 12, 2010, 19:09:56

still nothing back yet guys maybe check again in the morning

Technical Ben · Oct 12, 2010, 19:15:44

We will have to wait till the cows come home.

pctech · Oct 12, 2010, 19:17:08

I'm sure they're on the case.

Rik · Oct 12, 2010, 19:26:17

They were short-staffed today.

cavillas · Oct 12, 2010, 19:59:55

Quote from: Rik on Oct 12, 2010, 19:26:17
They were short-staffed today.

Time to get taller people then.

pctech · Oct 12, 2010, 20:06:47

Simon_idnet · Oct 13, 2010, 10:01:39

We do not block, shape or throttle and ports.

The originator's router is incorrectly configured to broadcast this data. The recipient's router should be configured to block such broadcasts.

jimc: Thanks for providing the IP address that you can see, we'll contact the originator to let them know.

Technical Ben · Oct 13, 2010, 15:32:50

Thanks Simon. The internet is almost like a hidden pipe. You cannot see when it leaks.

jimc · Oct 13, 2010, 17:34:41

Does that mean that everyone else should be able to see his DLNA ?

surely that would be the case if he has a config error ?

best regards
Jim

PS dont tell him until I have watched all his movies

Rik · Oct 13, 2010, 17:38:04

I'm guessing so, Jim, but I don't know. Hopefully, Simon will spot this and comment.

pctech · Oct 13, 2010, 17:43:09

Perhaps those on the same subnet can

Simon_idnet · Oct 13, 2010, 17:47:17

You really want your router to firewall out these sorts of broadcast packets so that they don't reach you.

Simon · Oct 13, 2010, 17:54:44

Crikey, Rik, the old clairvoyance is working well today!

pctech · Oct 13, 2010, 17:57:32

Probably more the direct line to IDNet.

Rik · Oct 13, 2010, 17:58:18

Quote from: Simon on Oct 13, 2010, 17:54:44
Crikey, Rik, the old clairvoyance is working well today!

Well, Claire Rayner can't.

Simon · Oct 13, 2010, 17:58:58

Sadly...

Rik · Oct 13, 2010, 18:01:36

Indeed.

Glenn · Oct 13, 2010, 18:02:47

Welcome the one and only "Mysterious Rik"

Rik · Oct 13, 2010, 18:04:37

I prefer Magnificent.

psp83 · Oct 13, 2010, 18:26:43

Rik · Oct 13, 2010, 18:30:28

jimc · Oct 13, 2010, 18:43:10

so what sort of broadcast's should our routers block Simon ?

best regards
JIm

pctech · Oct 13, 2010, 18:47:25

This would involve blocking ports, I'm currently looking for info for you.

pctech · Oct 13, 2010, 18:56:22

Do you have uPNP enabled on your router Jim, best advice I've come across so far is to use uPnP and make sure you set the hop count to 2.

jimc · Oct 13, 2010, 19:49:52

yes I have uPNP enabled
there is no ability for me to set any hop count though

I would have thought disabling uPNP would have been more appropriate ?
but dont realy want to muck about with my network as it has been humming along great for a few years now

pctech · Oct 13, 2010, 20:27:35

Let me see what I can find.

Can you advise what router you are using?

Steve · Oct 13, 2010, 20:31:18

The dlna has managed to wangle its way through an open router port possibly via UPNP.

Simon_idnet · Oct 13, 2010, 20:34:48

UPnP advertises on port 1900 and responds on port 5000.

jimc · Oct 13, 2010, 21:35:56

My router is a ZyXEL P-660H-D1

I have just unchecked "Allow UPnP to pass through Firewall"

and will run some tests to see if it knackers anything

best regards
Jim

Steve · Oct 13, 2010, 22:16:10

If it does you could perhaps try to forward the specific ports.

jimc · Oct 15, 2010, 16:23:36

well it did not work I can still see his server ?