Places Getting FTTC before 21CN?

[Technical Ben]

I would usually think it's better to get the best available when you can. But not if it causes delays for those stuck on even older systems.
So while BT is rolling out FTTC, does that mean 21CN is on hold? That we are not going to be upgraded to it? I just ask because it seems places like here are getting FTTC before 21CN. 

[pctech]

I thought FTTC was part and parcel of 21CN but I suppose the traffic could be transported over the old ATM backbone on 20CN.

[Glenn]

My own exchange is due to be upgraded to Fibre before it gets ADSL2+ http://www.samknows.com/broadband/exchange/THBW

[Technical Ben]

Hmmm. Seems we need another 700 odd properties at least in my town before we get any upgrades. 

[Rik]

I suppose BT may think it cheaper to skip ADSL2 in some places and move straight to fibre.

[pctech]

I don't think ADSL2+ has performed as well as they'd hoped and they have had a lot of negative feedback via service providers.

[Rik]

That's definitely true, but then much of that has been down to a poor network design, the same one they'll be using for fibre.

[pctech]

Yes 

[Niall]

God knows when Wrexham are getting it. It did say March next year on samknows at one point, but now it just says unavailable and this: http://www.ispreview.co.uk/story/2010/01/01/bt-promotes-faster-fibre-optic-and-adsl2-broadband-for-wales-in-2010.html

Makes me think the "by 2012" comment means, yeah we're leaving you lot until December 2012 if you're lucky.

[Glenn]

What does the FTTC checker say on IDNet, Niall?

[Rik]

Nothing, atm.

[Glenn]

Still 31/03/2011 for me.

[Rik]

December for me, maybe. It lists Milton Keynes GSC, so whether that's all of MK or not I don't know. Increasingly, though, I feel that fibre is not for me - I just wouldn't make use of its potential.

[Simon]

I'm happy as I am too. 

[pctech]

Can't get FTTC round here as they are rolling out FTTP and according to information I've found they prefer FTTP but are rolling out FTTC where FTTP is not commercially viable but the wholesale I saw suggested on a forum which was £44 a month is too high.

[Steve]

I'm the same fibre due 09/11 , no date for adsl2+ set.FTTC is part of 21CN the 'MSAN' is in the cabinet  and not in the exchange. Whether the exchange still  keeps dslam from the old network no idea.

[pctech]

I think the DSLAM is replaced by the MSAN Steve if the whole area served by that exchange has been 21CN enabled.

[Rik]

It is.

[Technical Ben]

So a botch then? 

[Rik]

Not from BT's pov. They are putting in a new core network and will move customers to it. Sadly, they don't seem to have planned it very well.

[Simon_idnet]

Can't get FTTC round here as they are rolling out FTTP and according to information I've found they prefer FTTP but are rolling out FTTC where FTTP is not commercially viable but the wholesale I saw suggested on a forum which was £44 a month is too high.

Where a line is served direct from the Exchange (i.e. the house is so close to the Exchange that it is not connected to a cabinet) then they will be offered FTTP. It also seems that lines that currently receive a fairly high ADSL2+ speed are unlikely to have their cabinets upgraded.

[Steve]

Useful information thanks Simon.

[pctech]

Cheers Simon.

The wholesale checker reckons I can get FTTP where I am but noone will give me a price or rough guess as to what it'll cost when the trial ends.

[Simon_idnet]

BT haven't released prices yet Mitch.

[pctech]

I wish they would