BT Content Connect service faces 'two-tier net' claims

Rik · Jan 04, 2011, 18:13:10

Tea anyone?

David · Jan 04, 2011, 18:14:19

two sugars for me please

pctech · Jan 04, 2011, 18:14:48

esh · Jan 05, 2011, 00:20:02

I still use newsgroups a bit. You have to pay for a vaguely reasonable service these days, but it's not that expensive at all.

I remember the days of UUENCODE on Compuserve. I am glad they are gone though

Gary · Jan 05, 2011, 00:41:34

I'm lookimg into Xilo as a reseller now using CPW LLU at my exchange they dont shape or do any of the nasties that CPW do, much greater speeds and I pay a bit less, I will lose my Phone to them with no plan but with what i save £20 or so its worth it. BT based ISP's are just not really worth the value it seems, and its not even their fault

pctech · Jan 05, 2011, 12:25:30

You don't need to move your phone Gary, just the ADSL (Xilo don't offer phone service anyway) and I certainly don't intend to move my phone lines away from IDNet.

Problem for me will be that ADSL2+ runs like a dog on my line (I tried O2 for a month and got about 2.5 but it kept having to resync).

In any event I'd rather not have to move as I'm on a negotiated deal with Zen and am very happy with the service, both from technical performance but also technical support.

Gary · Jan 05, 2011, 12:34:30

Quote from: pctech on Jan 05, 2011, 12:25:30
You don't need to move your phone Gary, just the ADSL (Xilo don't offer phone service anyway) and I certainly don't intend to move my phone lines away from IDNet.

Problem for me will be that ADSL2+ runs like a dog on my line (I tried O2 for a month and got about 2.5 but it kept having to resync).

In any event I'd rather not have to move as I'm on a negotiated deal with Zen and am very happy with the service, both from technical performance but also technical support.

Its full LLU Mitch, your phone has to go along with your broadband.

http://community.xilo.net/threads/cpw-opal-broadband-and-phone-packages.836/

pctech · Jan 05, 2011, 12:39:22

I stand corrected then Gary, sorry.

I'll have to look at something else then as don't really want my phone running on CPW.

Gary · Jan 05, 2011, 12:42:38

Quote from: pctech on Jan 05, 2011, 12:39:22
I stand corrected then Gary, sorry.

I'll have to look at something else then as don't really want my phone running on CPW.

Its not CPW. Xilo just use there equipment on a one month rolling contract with a cease fee, £25 all in for up to 24mb and you just pay for you calls on top not bad really, CPW have nothing to do with call costs or the package, its just using the equipment at the exchange that's it.

pctech · Jan 05, 2011, 14:14:52

I'll hang fire and see how its implemented.

Will be interesting to see what IDNet do.

Gary · Jan 05, 2011, 14:38:08

Quote from: pctech on Jan 05, 2011, 14:14:52

Will be interesting to see what IDNet do.

Nothing probably they can do Mitch, who knows, I just know why should I spend £24 a month getting a 8128 connection then telephone on top when I can get maybe 12meg with a 50GB download for £25 phone included. I'll need to think on this.

Technical Ben · Jan 05, 2011, 15:46:12

Been thinking the same Gary.
At least a £5 saving if not more for me. Plus up either 16mb or 24mb possible (depending on package) and unlimited downloads. So more for less. As long as it "does exactly what it says on the tin" it's win win.
It's just a fear of "it will completely crash out" that stops me swapping right now.

pctech · Jan 05, 2011, 17:28:02

Here's the BT blurb on the product http://www.btwholesale.com/pages/static/Products/Broadband/Wholesale_Content_Connect.html

Looks like payday for the ISPs.

Rik · Jan 05, 2011, 17:40:04

I'll be interested to see how the smaller ISPs react, Mitch.

pctech · Jan 05, 2011, 17:47:22

I'm not paying an additional fee to access it, put it that way.

Rik · Jan 05, 2011, 17:48:29

I wouldn't need to, as I've never quite worked out a need for watching TV via the net unless I'm travelling.

pctech · Jan 05, 2011, 17:51:09

useful if you work shifts and forget to set stuff to record.

And of course there's Youtube.

Technical Ben · Jan 05, 2011, 17:51:14

Quote from: Rik on Jan 05, 2011, 17:48:29
I wouldn't need to, as I've never quite worked out a need for watching TV via the net unless I'm travelling.

If I missed it! (Watch Again

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Gary · Jan 05, 2011, 21:58:35

Quote from: Technical Ben on Jan 05, 2011, 15:46:12
Been thinking the same Gary.
At least a £5 saving if not more for me. Plus up either 16mb or 24mb possible (depending on package) and unlimited downloads. So more for less. As long as it "does exactly what it says on the tin" it's win win.
It's just a fear of "it will completely crash out" that stops me swapping right now.

I have the same fear but its very tempting I must admit, and its the only way I'll ever get decent speeds as we will not get WBC of FTTC in the foreseeable future, also no more worries about stupid BT profiles.

Gary · Jan 05, 2011, 22:00:05

Quote from: Rik on Jan 05, 2011, 17:48:29
I wouldn't need to, as I've never quite worked out a need for watching TV via the net unless I'm travelling.

Well if I miss a program, or Justina is watching something in one room I can catch up on what I want on iPlayer, also I spend a lot of time on youtube, I really enjoy some peoples channels.

pctech · Jan 05, 2011, 22:22:36

Zen Technical Support have said they've no plans to implement it for the moment at least so am staying put as I'm in the position that I trust both IDNet and Zen so would be loathed to move.

Gary · Jan 06, 2011, 01:35:08

Quote from: pctech on Jan 05, 2011, 22:22:36
Zen Technical Support have said they've no plans to implement it for the moment at least so am staying put as I'm in the position that I trust both IDNet and Zen so would be loathed to move.

If Idnet don't implement it all well and good, I trust IDnet and like them, I would loathe to have to move, the extra speed would be good though

but sometimes don't fix what is not broken comes into play.

Lance · Jan 06, 2011, 07:24:22

Quote from: Rik on Jan 05, 2011, 17:48:29
I wouldn't need to, as I've never quite worked out a need for watching TV via the net unless I'm travelling.

Some of us don't have DVRs either!

Rik · Jan 06, 2011, 09:55:39

There is that, I guess. Having both Sky & Freeview recorders, I really don't need anything else.

Tacitus · Jan 06, 2011, 09:56:47

Quote from: Gary on Jan 06, 2011, 01:35:08
If Idnet don't implement it all well and good, I trust IDnet and like them, I would loathe to have to move, the extra speed would be good though but sometimes don't fix what is not broken comes into play.

I think we need to wait and see. iDNet are probably doing some deep thinking even as we speak. We've still heard nothing further about the BT disconnect fiasco from late last year, so what (if anything) they'll be offering in the form of alternative suppliers remains to be seen. This latest BT attempt to stitch everyone up is probably not high on iDNet's list of priorities at present.

Whilst an alternative would be good although probably not for me since my LLU choices are Orange or TT, whether they can make the sums add up to a viable business proposition is another matter.

That said offering LLU via CPW wholesale would cover a large part of the country compared to (say) Be. Certainly if that offered a more flexible set of tools for line management, it's something I would look at.