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[Simon]

In your opinion. 

[Gary]

Sorry, I thought you were talking about an Apple Iphone or Ipad there. 

Perception vs actual ownership are very different things

[Gary]

Most are justified though 

[Technical Ben]

The quote did point out the positives and negatives. The iphone has both.
The build quality in Apple products is very good. However, usually at the expense of soldered in/unserviceable parts. Such as the batteries.

[pctech]

People have different opinions about every product.

I just think Apple take the **** out of their customers.


I do like the iPod I have and have bought tracks from iTunes I could not obtain elsewhere but I did buy a replacement battery and tool to get the back off the iPod as I'm not going to pay Apple a fee to do the job when the battery wears out.

[FritzBox]

I do like my iPod 30gb, even then I bought it second hand from ebay. There is also a good chance I will get hold of my daughters iphone in Sept when she gets a new one. I feel a few unlocking experiments coming on.
So Apple have not had any of my cash directly, that's how I'd like it to stay. Far too much of a closed shop for my liking

[Gary]

People have different opinions about every product.

I just think Apple take the **** out of their customers.


I do like the iPod I have and have bought tracks from iTunes I could not obtain elsewhere but I did buy a replacement battery and tool to get the back off the iPod as I'm not going to pay Apple a fee to do the job when the battery wears out.

[pctech]

I reckon Apple would be better if 'the other Steve' (Wozniak) ran it you know

[Gary]

I reckon Apple would be better if 'the other Steve' (Wozniak) ran it you know

TBH no, even though Jobs is a odd guy he turned the company around with good products and great design if you are into that sort of thing, the amount of money and the popularity of Apple is down to Steve Jobs, I agree that his attitude is way off the mark but he is a visionary as far as trend setting and shaping what we buy, until the ipad everyone laughed at tablets, now everyone is making one.

  I dont like him as such from all I have read but I do admire his skill and craft you could say. I like OS X my iMac and my iPhone, and I can see the good he has done to the company as well as the harm with Adobe etc, but tbh you don't get to be that successful by being nice. or even sane maybe 

[pctech]

Most of the design was down to Jonathon Ive http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jonathan_Ive  rather than Jobs.

Jobs is definitely an excellent PR and business man, so good in fact that MS put $150 million into the company when he took the helm.

My problem is, and always has been, the prices charged for bog standard hardware customised with proprietary connectors or firmware which locks you into their servicing etc.

[Gary]

Most of the design was down to Jonathon Ive http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jonathan_Ive  rather than Jobs.

Jobs is definitely an excellent PR and business man, so good in fact that MS put $150 million into the company when he took the helm.

My problem is, and always has been, the prices charged for bog standard hardware customised with proprietary connectors or firmware which locks you into their servicing etc.

I see your point Mitch, but the combined package does work well, firmware and hardware all updated by one company, keyboard firmware needs updating, drivers etc its all done by Apple software update, even the EFI firmware updates, My second iMac a 2011 Sandybridge 21.5" i7 Quadcore is fantastic, fast, OS X is very easy to use, my mother has it under control after a week, she never got around Windows, I am not slagging windows off as I like it too. My iMac looks stunning in my eyes and aesthetics are important to me. Now if you buy a AIO from Acer/Sony etc you will have the same issues with Mobo etc its proprietary, same as Apple. Its not snobbery or being a fanboy as Apple have issues as many companies do they are far from perfect, but their customer service is great and that's very important and part of the so called 'Apple Tax' I guess.

Sadly Apple attracts hyper OCD types and real fanboys, I do have OCD and there is a small mark on the aluminium stand and on the back of my new imac, but it works well, Western Digital Caviar Black HDD not a Seagate so I am happy, a great screen with no yellowing a thunderbolt port that will as the year progresses prove to be useful as new third party equipment that supports it, a very quite super drive, a built in 720p webcam, that works well, so I'll keep it, nothing is ever perfect, I spent £3000 on a Voodoo pc years back when I had an inheritance and that had issues, and scratches, its life I have to get used to its glitches.

For my needs and the fact Justina has to help me more as my memory gets worse on my meds this is a great OS, something I don't have to worry about, and as for those who like to build their own and say you get more for your money, yes you do, I agree that's true, but that's not what I want so its not what I bought and it does not bother me, I am past playing with the insides of computers, and after two years with Apple and few ups and downs I like OS X and the machines. I guess I don't care about bashing Ballmer or Jobs, I don't care if Apple try to nanny me it actually has some benefits as well as some negatives of course, I really could not care less for silly law suits over the word "app" that's not my problem or what I bought, I just use a computer, that's it. I cant change the world Mitch, but I can make it work better for me within the confines of my home and I choose the hardware and software and materials that helps do that, be it Apple Windows Linux or Tesco toilet tissue.

  In the end its down to personal choice, and I am trying very hard to not look at the political picture of these companies, it just makes your head hurt, I just want my world to work with me as best as that can ever be achieved.

[RogerP]

Hi Gary

As an Apple fan of some years now I cannot add anything else to your comments, products that work, and suit your life style what more can you ask for.

Apple products work well, software works well and ok price may be an issue but I think you get what you pay for, why buy a Hotpoint washer when you could buy a Miele costs more but just works for years, more often or not with a ten year warranty rather than one year.

[Niall]

Strange how a thread about a Netgear router ends up being an argument about Apple   <-- new favourite smiley

[Gary]

Strange how a thread about a Netgear router ends up being an argument about Apple  <-- new favourite smiley

It is a great smiley

[Simon]

For some reason, it's called 'swoon'. 

[Gary]

For some reason, it's called 'swoon'. 

I know that swoon is but its not really how I see that smiley, it should be called shopping bill 

[Simon]