Talk talk LLU vs IDnet

[gazzthompson]

Just had a Talk talk rep around , they unbundled my exchange and are offering 24meg :

http://www.samknows.com/broadband/exchange/EAWTN

I caved at the sound of epic 24meg speeds , but im on a 50 day trial and will ring up ASAP and quiz them on their service. Question, he said idnet will ring us. Will they? will they be able to offer a LLU service ? how does that work?

Whats the current news on Talk talks LLU ? any good? i want to stay with IDnet, best ISP ive had (had few problems last few weeks but still).

[Rik]

IDNet will not, at present, be able to offer you an LLU service. They should contact you to confirm you want to go, though. As to TT, I've got no personal experience, it might be worth spending some time in their board on ThinkBroadband to get a feel for the service.

[gazzthompson]

That sucks about IDnet , i really dont want to leave...

[Rik]

To do LLU, you have to be (a) big or (b) sell someone else's service, as with BT services. The problem for an ISP is that selling an LLU service which is not universally available makes their packages very complex.

[Tacitus]

How far are you from the exchange?   TT may offer 24Meg speeds but if you are some distance from the exchange or on a poor quality line, the likelihood is you won't get them....

[Rik]

Good point, Tac.

[gazzthompson]

A mile as the crow flies.

[Rik]

What's your line attenuation, current sync speed and noise margin?

[pctech]

Tac is right, ADSL is ADSL when all is said and done, no matter who provides it, ir's wireless over wires.

[gazzthompson]

how do i find them out please ?

I guess its worth the try though, 50 day trial

[Rik]

Which router, Gazz?

[gazzthompson]

dg834gt

[Rik]

From the web interface http://192.168.0.1
> Router Status
> "Show Statistics" Button

alternatively click this link --> Show Statistics.

Default username = admin, password = password

[DorsetBoy]

Big thing with TT LLU is the lock in to a long contract and unless things have changed you need to move your phone to them too.

[gazzthompson]

Phone we dont care about, contract we do....


System Up Time 557:32:26
Port   Status   TxPkts   RxPkts   Collisions   Tx B/s   Rx B/s   Up Time
WAN   PPPoA   59302847   92028169   0   2089   1464   557:31:38
LAN   10M/100M   73536777   46929906   0   859   1540   557:32:21
WLAN   11M/54M   21563152   14985756   0   1770   1434   557:32:16


ADSL Link   Downstream   Upstream
Connection Speed   5024 kbps   832 kbps
Line Attenuation   38.0 db   23.0 db
Noise Margin   9.2 db   10.0 db

[DorsetBoy]

Using BlueEthers stats estimator you are only going to see a synch of @ 10MB at most giving a throughput of 9MB max and that is assuming no local noise issues.

http://adsl.tin2tin.net/stats.php

[kinmel]

Remember that Sky have a base noise margin of 7db against 3db on BT's ADSL2+ and that will hit the sync rate.

Moving back to a BT line from LLU is not as simple as moving from one ISP to another with a MAC code and is expensive too.

[Tacitus]

You might wish to look at this thread over on TB.   The original Daily Mail article is here.

Good luck......   

[DorsetBoy]

Remember that Sky have a base noise margin of 7db against 3db on BT's ADSL2+ and that will hit the sync rate.

Moving back to a BT line from LLU is not as simple as moving from one ISP to another with a MAC code and is expensive too.

Noise margin and attenuation are slightly higher on LLU but then the service tends to be a lot more stable than any BT based service.

Moving back from full LLU is costly, using shared LLU (phone stays with BT, BB goes LLU) the move back is a lot less expensive.

[DorsetBoy]

You might wish to look at this thread over on TB.   The original Daily Mail article is here.

Good luck......   

TT retail are a nightmare, funny that the CPW/TISCALI/ TT wholesale are so much better.  The sales team are all totally clueless and will tell you anything to get a sale.

I have had them here,they know nothing at all about broadband. The 2 muppets I had here insisted that "even if the phone line was 10 miles long their accelerators meant that all users get the full 24mb throughput."   

[pctech]

Once bought an aerial for an Ericsson phone from CPW, according to their site it was the correct part (for an S868)

They sent me an Aerial for an A1018 which had a different fitting so rang up their so called Customer Services and told them that the listing was wrong and I had been sent the wrong part.

CS muppet gave the following priceless response 'what do you want me to do about it?'

I went to the local store and demanded to see the Manager and told him, he was very apologetic, looked on the site and on his stock control to see if he could source me the part I needed and told me they did not sell them anymore and refunded me straight away.

If that's not all bought a SIM free Motorola V600 from them and was told it would be delivered on a Saturday, one of my folks waited in all day as I was working, no show, checked on the courirer's tracking and it was scheduled for Tuesday.

Mailed CPW and got zero response, not even an apology for their cock up.

Truly awful company.

[gazzthompson]

Thanks for the posts and help guys. the sales rep said i can leave anytime during first 50 days. Im having no luck finding this written down online ? any help?

I will no doubt come back to idnet , unless its constant 8meg + i wont bother.

[pctech]

Hmmm, wonder if its a sales ploy.

[gazzthompson]

I dont trust any sales.

[Rik]

Very wise.