2700HGV and Fritzbox

[FritzBox]

I have just spent the best part of £320 on Fritz Box kit, the 7390 router, the matching VOIP phone and Friday I ordered the dual band wireless N dongle. I'm now beginning to wonder why. It is a great router with some great features ie two usb ports, one for printer and one for NAS, VOIP and the ability to attach DECT phones.
Now the two major drawbacks for me, you can't set the DNS servers manually, I like to use OpenDNS as we accommodate students and they have a penchant for file sharing sites, and also to keep my grand-daughter away from obvious nasties, contacted the manufacturers about this and they say it's because it's a security risk. I would say users accessing file sharing sites is more of a security risk personally. The other reason is, I get two or three disconnections a night, one of my networked machines needs to be connected 24/7, if I get disconnections it needs to be rebooted.

Anyhow this afternoon I had the idea of using a 2700hgv as a modem as they are rock solid on my line and thought I'd have a go at setting it up, so I got out one of my hubs running some form of BTv6 firmware and flashed it with the QWest firmware. Anyhow it totally screwed the Fritzbox, had to reflash it with the recovery firmware lol because I couldn't get back into it.
I have now stuck on my trusty 2700 with Singtel firmware which will stay on until I can discover how to get the two to work in tandem
I like to use certain IP addies on my network ie 192.168.240.125 for router and 192.168.240.130 onwards for devices, most of the devices ip's I set manually on the actual device.

Anyhow here is the questions(lot of waffle I know) if I stick the 2700 with Singtel into bridge mode through MDC-Configure Services it apparently defaults to the IP of 192.168.1.254 I'd like this to handle my ISP connection and the manual DNS setting
So what sort of IP setting would I need on the Fritzbox for it to handle everything else, including DHCP, wireless etc? Would 192.168.2.254 do the trick? Settings wise would it be PPPoE? Do you need to connect the two with a crossover cable?

[Steve]

Sorry not got a 2wire but I think you need it to pass the wan IP onto the FritzBox if it will? i.e a PPPOA/PPPOE bridge the 2wire then acts purely as a modem it's IP is irrelevant. The Fritzboz is then router, and the connection is via PPPOE



We've a few 2wire experts so hopefully you'll get a definitive answer.

[FritzBox]

Sorry not got a 2wire but I think you need it to pass the wan IP onto the FritzBox if it will? i.e a PPPOA/PPPOE bridge the 2wire then acts purely as a modem it's IP is irrelevant. The Fritzboz is then router, and the connection is via PPPOE



We've a few 2wire experts so hopefully you'll get a definitive answer.

I'm reasonably well clued up on the 2700 myself Steve, but this is something I've never tried before and as stated in my post I made a total hash of it first time round. Not sure about the IP being totally irrelevent as I will need some way of accessing the 7390. I'm now wondering how this will affect the VOIP and my Sipgate account?
The 7390 because of the disconnections has cost me at least 1400kbits of sync compared to the 2700 with Singtel and I'm on an interleaved connection not fast path
Thanks for your reply though, we await a definitive answer

[Rik]

Welcome to the forum. Above my skills, I'm afraid, but one of our experts should be along shortly.

[FritzBox]

Welcome to the forum. Above my skills, I'm afraid, but one of our experts should be along shortly.

Many thanks Rik, looks like a very handy forum

[MisterW]

So what sort of IP setting would I need on the Fritzbox for it to handle everything else, including DHCP, wireless etc? Would 192.168.2.254 do the trick? Settings wise would it be PPPoE? Do you need to connect the two with a crossover cable?

You need to set the Fritzbox LAN subnet to something other than 192.168.1.x so your 192.168.2.x should be fine. This should allow any access to 192.168.1.x to be routed through the WAN port of the Fritzbox and thus allow you to access the 2700 configuration interface if you need to.
I believe settings on the Fritzbox should be PPPoe but I've never used a 2700 in bridge mode so not certain.
Any type of cable should be ok , the ports on the 2700 are auto-sensing.
I would also turn off the wireless on the 2700, its not disabled by default in bridge mode but its effectively useless, and will just get in the way of the Fritzbox wireless.

[Rik]

Thanks, Colin. 

[MisterW]

Rik,
Colin ?? its Ian

[Rik]

 

Sorry, brain not in gear.

[MisterW]

'sok its still early (ish)

[Rik]

For me, very.

[MisterW]

I like to use certain IP addies on my network ie 192.168.240.125 for router and 192.168.240.130 onwards for devices, most of the devices ip's I set manually on the actual device.

Just noticed that in your original post. In that case you'll need to set 192.168.240.x as the LAN subnet on the Fritzbox.

[FritzBox]

Just noticed that in your original post. In that case you'll need to set 192.168.240.x as the LAN subnet on the Fritzbox.

That's not really set in stone, just makes it easier when setting the IP's on pc's etc, you dont have to use mousey
I might try the 192.168.2.254 just to make it easy. PPPoE would make sense.
Do you think doing it this way, will affect the VOIP on 7390, maybe have to do some port forwarding?

Just the one more question really "Does it have to be a crossover cable to connect the two?"

[MisterW]

Both crossover and normal patch cable should be ok , the ports on the 2700 are auto-sensing.
It shouldn't affect the voip, when in bridge mode the 2700 will pass the public IP straight through to the Fritzbox so as far as voip is concerned it shouldn't be any different. I assume that since its designed as a voip router its got automatic port forwarding for SIP via an onboard SIP ALG ( Application Layer Gateway )

[FritzBox]

SIP via an onboard SIP ALG ( Application Layer Gateway )

Now your losing me lol. It's the first time I have messed with VOIP so don't really know much about it. Must say tho, I am very impressed with the call quality

[MisterW]

Basically voip using the sip protocol has a problem where the endpoint(phone) is behind a NAT router, as is the case in most home networks. Various methods such as an Outbound Proxy, STUN and port forwarding can be used to assist the sip packets in traversing the NAT firewall in the router and getting to the correct device. A voip router usually has an inbuilt ALG which does all this automatically http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Application-level_gateway

[MisterW]

BTW this http://blog.marc-seeger.de/2009/07/04/change-dns-servers-to-opendns-on-the-fritzbox-7240 might help you with the DNS settings on the Fritzbox. Doesn't look simple though...

[Ardua]

Hi. I also have a Fritz!Box 7390 which has also suffered from random disconnections (mostly during the day in my case) - but nothing different to 2 new Netgear routers.

I have picked up a lot of useful information from the Whirlpool.au Internode site as they are pushing the Fritz!Box very hard as an all-in-one solution. They are references to coupling the Fritz!Box to another ADSL modem which might be of interest to you. There is also a Beta firmware update for the 7390 which quote includes a new ADSL pump unquote. Re this update, I am sitting on my hands for the moment as after a stern talking to (and nothing else) my box has held a solid connection with a downstream SNR of 7 for the past 5 days. There is also a Fritz!Box diagnostics tool that you can run which produces a TXT file to send to AVM.

[Ardua]

Now the two major drawbacks for me, you can't set the DNS servers manually, I like to use OpenDNS as we accommodate students and they have a penchant for file sharing sites, and also to keep my grand-daughter away from obvious nasties, contacted the manufacturers about this and they say it's because it's a security risk. I would say users accessing file sharing sites is more of a security risk personally. The other reason is, I get two or three disconnections a night, one of my networked machines needs to be connected 24/7, if I get disconnections it needs to be rebooted.

A

Just found this on another forum re the 7390.

it is possible to change your DNS settings. All you have to do is Telnet your router and modify the ar7.cfg file. You will first have to enable Telnet. I have successfully changed my DNS to OpenDNS. No problem!

OR  Change/set the DNS on your NIC instead. Then you can check the DNS using an app from this site.

http://www.grc.com/dns/benchmark.htm

You will probably understand more about this than I do. Reading on it suggests that using Telnet (which AVM do not like) will leave a semi-permanent message which can only be removed with use of the recovery tool.

[Ardua]

And more on other forums re TelNet and DNS and the 7390 but note the warning:


Actually..

Fritz!Box web password:


BusyBox v1.8.2 (2010-07-08 13:23:44 CEST) built-in shell (ash)
Enter 'help' for a list of built-in commands.

ermittle die aktuelle TTY
tty is "/dev/pts/0"
Console Ausgaben auf dieses Terminal umgelenkt
#

This is on the 7390 I just got yesterday.

Using the phone, you can dial #96*7* to enable telnet and #96*8* to disable it.

The first time I connected it didn't seem to accept any password, I then closed the telnet client and reopened it and it then asked me for my web password.

http://www.64k-tec.de/2010/01/fritzb...cess-over-ssh/

had more information and I'm slowly going through that now :-)

(Oh, and something to note - Unless you know what you are doing don't try this at home as it is entirely possible you may destroy your fritz box - Some of the instructions at the website there are quite wrong. But it is useful as a pointer.)

[FritzBox]

I've had a go at the telnet thing, couldn't get it to work. Enabling telnet also flags your router up to AVM as to having the firmware changed and no support is forthcoming, not that they are that keen on support anyhow. I had more support before I bought the bloody thing surprisingly
Changing the DNS on the pc network card is not an option as I can't really say to our students "Can I have access to your pc so I can change some settings to make sure you can't use my connection as your own file sharing server"

Anyhow so far I'm struggling with this 2700 modem-7390 router thingy

You in the UK Ardua?

[MisterW]

I believe you can change the Fritzbox configuration file by exporting it , editing and then reimporting.
or by using FBeditor See the link here http://www.ip-phone-forum.de/archive/index.php/t-227260.html

Note: You can also use the Export function of the Fritzbox and save the configuration to a file and then edit with a editor such as Notepad++ - If you do this add "NoCheck = yes;" just above the line "**** CFGFILE:ar7.cfg". After editing restore the file via the web gui.

[FritzBox]

I believe you can change the Fritzbox configuration file by exporting it , editing and then reimporting.
or by using FBeditor See the link here http://www.ip-phone-forum.de/archive/index.php/t-227260.html

I did try that as well, no joy MisterW, but I will keep that in the locker, so many thanks

[jameshurrell]

I have no experience of the 2700/Fritzbox combo, but I do run 2x 2700 as ADSL modems in front of a Draytek 2910 2 port WAN router. As others have said, put the 2700 into bridge mode (there are instructions via Google on doing that), then in the Fritzbox you need to set up your connection to use PPPoE. In the Draytek this is as simple is choosing PPPoE and inputting the IDNet username and password - the only other option I change is the WAN static/DHCP IP address: although IDNet give you a static WAN IP address, on the Draytek, I use the DHCP option... this works fine...

Connect the 2700 and the Fritzbox using an ethernet cable, any port will do on the 2700.

Regarding local LAN IP addresses for the Fritzbox and local machines, use whatever you want - just make sure (as MisterW) stated that they are not in the 192.168.1.x range as this is what the 2700 will default to, and best to avoid any potential conflict.

Turn off wireless on the 2700 as others have said too as it serves no useful purpose except for accessing the 2700 config, but this is better done via an ethernet cable. The only time you'll need to access the 2700 is to check line stats as it serves no other purpose whatsoever. To do so, connect your machine directly to the 2700 using an ethernet cable (any port) and manually set its IP config to be in line with the 2700 - say 192.168.1.10, then browse to 192.168.1.254 to access the 2700s web config.

All that you are doing here is using the 2700 as a pure ADSL modem, everything is passed through to the Fritzbox (or whatever). No need to forward ports from 2700 to Fritzbox (not that you can) or anything like that... forget the 2700 exists - as far as you're concerned EVERYTHING is configured on the Fritzbox (DNS, VOIP, port forwarding to lan devices, local DHCP etc..)...

Hope that's of some use.

[FritzBox]

Thanks for the comprehensive reply James. I have actually got it up running now, what a pain in the butt
Here's how it works

2700 running the QWest firmware(couldn't find a bridge mode on that) so basically switched everything off, wireless, dhcp etc
2700 ip is 192.168.241.125
7390 ip is 192.168.240.125

The VOIP was a pain in the but to get running again, but did lots of port forwarding from the 2700 and it seems ok now
Will attach settings of the 7390
Even though the 7390 is set to DHCP it doesn't seem to issue any IP's for wireless and my lappie I have set with a manual IP, in fact I've pretty much set everything with a manual IP. Trouble is my HTC doesn't seem to want to connect, so anyone got any ideas on the wireless?
OpenDNS also now works, why those clowns at AVM can't enable manual DNS setting I really don't know

[MisterW]

2700 running the QWest firmware(couldn't find a bridge mode on that) so basically switched everything off, wireless, dhcp etc
2700 ip is 192.168.241.125
7390 ip is 192.168.240.125

The problem is that in that configuration you will have a NAT firewall on both the 2700 and the 7390.
Hence

The VOIP was a pain in the but to get running again, but did lots of port forwarding from the 2700 and it seems ok now

I'm not surprised it was a pain given the dual NAT.
If you're going to try and use the 2700 you'll be much better off with a firmware that allows bridge mode, does the BT v6 allow it ?

[FritzBox]

does the BT v6 allow it ?

I don't know, I've never used it, we need another expert. Bet it don't, BT wouldn't like such a thing
I still have the Singtel to fall back on, didn't really want to change that as it's pre-configured for emergency purposes lol

[jameshurrell]

Yes, I can confirm that the v6 BT firmware will work in bridge mode... my 2 2700s are v5 and V6, both work fine in bridge mode and the setup is the same in both:

http://business.forums.bt.com/t5/Broadband-and-internet/How-to-set-up-bridge-mode-on-the-BT-business-hub/td-p/4902

[FritzBox]

What's the procedure for sticking in your non BT username and pass on those James, I don't want to be faffing too much on it once I've dug out some v6 firmware

[jameshurrell]

I guess you mean if you wanted to use the 2700 with v6 firmware as a simple ADSL router to use with IDNet?

I did manage to do this to test one of my lines worked OK as I had some initial problems with the Draytek behind the 2700... your best bet is to read this section: http://bt2700hgv.tripod.com/063.htm - as ever, some simple formatting would really help that website to make it easier to follow (I had to do it  a few times as I kept missing bits).

[Steve]

What's the procedure for sticking in your non BT username and pass on those James, I don't want to be faffing too much on it once I've dug out some v6 firmware

Won't the Fritz box via  PPPOE be doing the authentication if the 2700 is in bridge mode?

[FritzBox]

I guess you mean if you wanted to use the 2700 with v6 firmware as a simple ADSL router to use with IDNet?

I did manage to do this to test one of my lines worked OK as I had some initial problems with the Draytek behind the 2700... your best bet is to read this section: http://bt2700hgv.tripod.com/063.htm - as ever, some simple formatting would really help that website to make it easier to follow (I had to do it  a few times as I kept missing bits).

Errr I'm not with IDNet, does this mean I get banned now?

[pctech]

Nope, I'm not with IDNet for broadband either and I've not been banned yet 

[Steve]

Errr I'm not with IDNet, does this mean I get banned now?

No! Your very welcome, we've a few non IDNet members.

[Simon]

Errr I'm not with IDNet, does this mean I get banned now?

Anyone is welcome here, IDNet customer or not, but be aware that we'll get you in the end. 

Nope, I'm not with IDNet for broadband either and I've not been banned yet  

No, but we're watching and waiting...  

[MisterW]

No! Your very welcome, we've a few non IDNet members

Me included!

[FritzBox]

Yes, I can confirm that the v6 BT firmware will work in bridge mode... my 2 2700s are v5 and V6, both work fine in bridge mode and the setup is the same in both:

http://business.forums.bt.com/t5/Broadband-and-internet/How-to-set-up-bridge-mode-on-the-BT-business-hub/td-p/4902

James, so your 2700's are actually the modems?

Tried to stick the Singtel in bridge mode this morning and I got this error

'PPPoE PPPoA IPoA are not supported in bridge mode'

As regards to the BT Bridge instructions I'm on ADSL not LLU so I need to stick in a user and pass

[FritzBox]

Can anyone recommend a bog standard modem, that I can stick in bridge mode and use on adsl? Not a Draytek please they are hopeless on my line.

[Lance]

James, so your 2700's are actually the modems?

Tried to stick the Singtel in bridge mode this morning and I got this error

'PPPoE PPPoA IPoA are not supported in bridge mode'

As regards to the BT Bridge instructions I'm on ADSL not LLU so I need to stick in a user and pass

I think you would enter the username and password on the fritzbox, not the 2700.

[jameshurrell]

James, so your 2700's are actually the modems?

Tried to stick the Singtel in bridge mode this morning and I got this error

'PPPoE PPPoA IPoA are not supported in bridge mode'

As regards to the BT Bridge instructions I'm on ADSL not LLU so I need to stick in a user and pass

In think there is some confusion here... my two 2700s are working in bridge mode as simple ADSL modems, not as routers (which is what they are normally). One line is a BT Business ADSL package, the other is IDNet ADSL - both are ADSL Max (not 21CN, nor LLU) - both plug straight into a Draytek 2910 which is a 2 port WAN router - this device does not have any ADSL modems in it, so in normal circumstances you cannot use it with an ADSL line.

The instructions I linked to will work when the 2700 is using the BT firmware (v5 and v6 in my case)... I guess the Singtel firmware does not support bridge mode if you get that error message?

Ref. inputting user and pass as you say, in bridge mode you do not do this on the 2700, you do it on the router behind the 2700 (in your case the Fritzbox, in mine the Draytek)... As I mentioned before, once the 2700 is in bridge mode, connected to your line and synced up, you forget about it... Everything else is done on the router behind including the ISP login.

As for recommendations for an "ADSL modem that I can stick in bridge mode" - that doesn't exist in the strictest terms. An ADSL modem is just a modem, it does nothing else, so you can't stick it in bridge mode as it is already in bridge mode effectively! The only pure ADSL modem I know of is the Draytek 120 (or older versions of it). There may be others, but i've not looked.

Some ADSL routers (which have an ADSL modem in them and are what most people use on ADSL lines) can also work in "bridge mode" to turn them into simple ADSL modems. The 2wire 2700 is one of them as discussed. The Netgear DG834 in its various guises will also do it, as will the BT Voyager 220 (http://www.puzbie.co.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?t=143).

[FritzBox]

In think there is some confusion here... my two 2700s are working in bridge mode as simple ADSL modems, not as routers (which is what they are normally). One line is a BT Business ADSL package, the other is IDNet ADSL - both are ADSL Max (not 21CN, nor LLU) - both plug straight into a Draytek 2910 which is a 2 port WAN router - this device does not have any ADSL modems in it, so in normal circumstances you cannot use it with an ADSL line.

The instructions I linked to will work when the 2700 is using the BT firmware (v5 and v6 in my case)... I guess the Singtel firmware does not support bridge mode if you get that error message?

Ref. inputting user and pass as you say, in bridge mode you do not do this on the 2700, you do it on the router behind the 2700 (in your case the Fritzbox, in mine the Draytek)... As I mentioned before, once the 2700 is in bridge mode, connected to your line and synced up, you forget about it... Everything else is done on the router behind including the ISP login.

As for recommendations for an "ADSL modem that I can stick in bridge mode" - that doesn't exist in the strictest terms. An ADSL modem is just a modem, it does nothing else, so you can't stick it in bridge mode as it is already in bridge mode effectively! The only pure ADSL modem I know of is the Draytek 120 (or older versions of it). There may be others, but i've not looked.

Some ADSL routers (which have an ADSL modem in them and are what most people use on ADSL lines) can also work in "bridge mode" to turn them into simple ADSL modems. The 2wire 2700 is one of them as discussed. The Netgear DG834 in its various guises will also do it, as will the BT Voyager 220 (http://www.puzbie.co.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?t=143).

Ooooh I have a 210 and 220 in stock lol so something else to play with
Ah, so we are saying that once in bridge mode the router behind handles the connection ie the 7390, which is what I didn't want with regards to the connection dropouts, also doing it that way I would then lose the ability to use OpenDNS which I have at the moment
The QWest has a RFC 1483 Transparent Bridging option
Yes I did manage to get the Singtel into Bridge mode having followed the instructions you posted earlier

[jameshurrell]

Ooooh I have a 210 and 220 in stock lol so something else to play with
Ah, so we are saying that once in bridge mode the router behind handles the connection ie the 7390, which is what I didn't want with regards to the connection dropouts, also doing it that way I would then lose the ability to use OpenDNS which I have at the moment
The QWest has a RFC 1483 Transparent Bridging option
Yes I did manage to get the Singtel into Bridge mode having followed the instructions you posted earlier

No, it is the ADSL modem (i.e. the 2700) that handles the synchronisation to the exchange for the ADSL - the Fritzbox does nothing in that regard at all.. So any dropouts or connection issues would be down to the 2700 - the ADSL modem in the Fritzbox would NOT be in use. Everything else is done on the Fritzbox, so I don't see why you shouldn't be able to use OpenDNS... I do on the Draytek.

I use 2700 in bridge mode because the location is a very long way from the exchange and both lines are around 60db - the 2700 is good on long lines, so i let it do the ADSL work (which it does very well), but I get the benefit of the Draytek for other things, namely the dual WAN port (so i have two lines), load balancing, VPN end point etc...

[FritzBox]

Everything else is done on the Fritzbox, so I don't see why you shouldn't be able to use OpenDNS... I do on the Draytek.

I presume doing it the way you have it, I would just stick in my normal PPPoA username and password in the 7390? If so there is no option to specify your own dns servers. See screenshot on previous page as to my current setup
No option either if I select

Establish own Internet connection (NAT router with PPPoE or IP)
Account information required (PPPoE)

Pretty limiting really, I thought this router was going to be the answer to my prayers, unfortunately it's not
Might send a link to this thread to AVM
Thanks James for all your help, that includes everyone else too

[MisterW]

also doing it that way I would then lose the ability to use OpenDNS which I have at the moment

You can set the DNS servers on the 7390 but only by editing the config file , either by telnet or export/impot.

[FritzBox]

You can set the DNS servers on the 7390 but only by editing the config file , either by telnet or export/impot.

I know, but I haven't managed it yet, and it flags the router up to AVM, then no support forthcoming, oh wait.............
I'm not too sure yet what bothers me the most, the lack of manual dns setting or the nightly disconnections

[jameshurrell]

Having taken a look at the Fritxbox 7390 spec, i don't think it will do what you want (i.e. 2700 handles the ADSL side, Fritzbox does the rest)... it does not appear to have a WAN port, so no amount of faffing will get you where you want: http://www.fritzbox.eu/en/products/FRITZBox_Fon_WLAN_7390/index.php?tab=2. The 7390 appears to be a simple ADSL modem router...

I should have looked at the specs right at the beginning - I assumed it had a WAN port or 1 LAN port that could act as a WAN port if needed.

[FritzBox]

Having taken a look at the Fritxbox 7390 spec, i don't think it will do what you want (i.e. 2700 handles the ADSL side, Fritzbox does the rest)... it does not appear to have a WAN port, so no amount of faffing will get you where you want: http://www.fritzbox.eu/en/products/FRITZBox_Fon_WLAN_7390/index.php?tab=2. The 7390 appears to be a simple ADSL modem router...

I should have looked at the specs right at the beginning - I assumed it had a WAN port or 1 LAN port that could act as a WAN port if needed.

Lan1 is the WAN port, the 2700 QWest is passing the WAN config to it as we speak, but not in bridge mode

[Ardua]

Have a look at the Whirlpool.au Internode forums. Our Aussie friends seem to be bridging Fritz!Box routers without any major issues. LAN Port 1, I think doubles as a VDSL etc connection.

[MisterW]

Yes, the manual talks about using LAN1 as the WAN port with a cable modem. Should be fine with the 2700 in bridge mode.

[jameshurrell]

I stand corrected

[FritzBox]

I stand corrected

No worries James

Just one more before I hit the sack for a while(nights )

This is the option on the QWest RFC 1483 Transparent Bridging
Should that work?

Also has these options

RFC 1483 via DHCP
RFC 1483 via Static IP

[MisterW]

This is the option on the QWest RFC 1483 Transparent Bridging
Should that work?

I would think so, I can't imagine there is any underlying difference in functionality bewtween the firmwares, it's mainly user interface and terminology. I would guess they are referring to the same 'bridge mode' that the BT and Singtel f/w's are.

[FritzBox]

BTW this http://blog.marc-seeger.de/2009/07/04/change-dns-servers-to-opendns-on-the-fritzbox-7240 might help you with the DNS settings on the Fritzbox. Doesn't look simple though...

I've had another crack at this this afternoon. I can access and manually change the file, but nothing I do seems to save it, not even sure where to type the commands
I've tried
exit
/exit
/w
/q
w
q
/wq
wq
:w
:q

Any ideas anyone, any telnet clients that can do this sort of semi automatically?

[Steve]

I think it's 'vi' the text editor :x is save and exit.

http://www.cs.colostate.edu/helpdocs/vi.html

A windows client which may help is WinSCP

[MisterW]

Have you tried the method of exporting the configuration file, you can then edit it with notepad, then import it. Don't forget the trick with the 'Nocheck' to avoid a checksum error.

[FritzBox]

Have you tried the method of exporting the configuration file, you can then edit it with notepad, then import it. Don't forget the trick with the 'Nocheck' to avoid a checksum error.

Thanks Steve, will have a look later

MisterW, that's probably the easiest method, tho I used Crimson Editor, Fritz still doesn't want to recognise the file when you go to import it

[MisterW]

I must admit I've never tried it ( not got a FritzBox ) but I was going by this post http://www.ip-phone-forum.de/archive/index.php/t-227260.html whci is talking about changing the configuration to use VDSL.

For this to work you'll need FBEditor - The good thing about the FBEditor is that it changes the Checksum of the Fritzbox configuration file this allowing it to put changes back into the Fritzbox.
FBEditor can be downloaded here (http://hotfile.com/dl/86465658/cad4ba1/FBEditor-0.5.2.zip.html)or directly from IP-Phone (http://www.ip-phone-forum.de/showthread.php?t=79513)
Note: You can also use the Export function of the Fritzbox and save the configuration to a file and then edit with a editor such as Notepad++ - If you do this add "NoCheck = yes;" just above the line "**** CFGFILE:ar7.cfg". After editing restore the file via the web gui.

1) Start up FB-Editer and in "Datei" choose "Konfiguration Einlesen"(Means Read configuration)
...
5) In the FB editor choose "Datei" -> "Konfugration Zuruckspielen"(Means Put data back)
6) Let the Fritzbox restart - And you should have Internet. If not check the Extra tips/FAQ

Might be worth a look at FB-Editer, depending on how good your German is...

[FritzBox]

depending on how good your German is...

Absolutely non existant

The good news is I've cracked it with Telnet. It's :wq to save and exit. We have OpenDNS!
The Fritz is now running as a standalone router with no 2700 feeding it the WAN IP. I've re-flashed it with a Beta Firmware en-de-es-it-fr.84.05.04-19647
Let's see how I get on with the disconnections

[FritzBox]

Had so many disconnections last my sync has now dropped to 5024 I have never seen it this low before. The 2700 used to hold a constant 7616 no matter what
We had thunderstorms last night in it's defence, but that never affected the 2700
Just a shame it didn't get blown up

[MisterW]

Time to try the RFC 1483 Bridging option on the 2700 ?

[FritzBox]

Time to try the RFC 1483 Bridging option on the 2700 ?

I think your right MisterW. Not tonight though, it's beer time. Tomorrow is another day

[FritzBox]

Time to try the RFC 1483 Bridging option on the 2700 ?

As a bit of an after thought again, I bought the 7390 with half an eye on the power saving options. It's really green if I have to stick another modem in front of it. We have had a lot of problems with a VW car, I'm sort of thinking that I might have to lump German products along with French as products to avoid

[FritzBox]

Have pulled the Fritz for the time being, fed up with the disconnections, even with my sync down as low as 4880, the poxy thing can't help it's self. Gone back to the trusty 2700, this time with the QWest firmware rather than Singtel. Means I can't use my VOIP phone tho
Have also stuck in a complaint with BT about them not resetting my line when my ISP asks, while I was at it reminded them about my previous complaint about them not upgrading my exchange to ADSL2+
I sound like a right minging old git

[FritzBox]

I like my Fritz again now, after flashing with the latest firmware, the sync jumped to 6900, perhaps George got the clowns at BT to reset my line after all, as I was down on 4600. Still not syncing as high as a 2700(7616), but with the extra features and the VOIP phone I'm happy to leave it. No actual disconnections for days either which was my biggest hair puller.

[jskyrme]

Hi, I realise that since this hasn't been updated since June I'm probably a Johnny-come-lately to the party, just wanted to add my experience.  I have been an early adopter of AVM (and other German products) and was a little disappointed when I got my 7390 some time ago to see the ADSL speed wasn't anywhere near as good as the 2700.  I live at the end of a LONG ADSL line, and would get a regular ADSL connection on the downstream of around 2700-2800 (although I had seen it at around 3.2kbps once).  The 7390 won't ever go any higher than 2.3kbps.  I posted on other forums (forii? fora?  ) and the response I got was in essence that the 7390 is optimised for VDSL connections, it's just a happy coincidence it happens to sync with the UK's rather archaic ADSL exchanges.  Which kinda didn't really help cos that's all I can get 4 miles from the exchange.

So I started looking at alternative front-end ADSL solutions.  This grates somewhat, considering one of the things I love about the AVM is that everything is integrated into one solution, but if it means I get a better connection speed, I'm prepared to be a hypocrite to the green cause 

3 modems were recommended, can't remember what they all were but having had terrible experiences with Netgear I excluded that one, and the other one didn't register in my brain so obviously that one was excluded, leaving me with the BT 2-Wire.  Having invested all of 10 quid for that on Fleabay, I got it up and running with the help of other forums/fora/forii and eventually got it to work in bridge mode.  So I have a 2-wire connected to the 7390 using a normal LAN connection (i.e. straight-through wired lead), with the 7390 sat behind it, the only change to my original config being that the ADSl connection (on the Account Information page) is achieved through LAN1 rather than through the DSL feature of the 7390.  I think there may have been some earlier confusion about double-natting etc., but this doesn't happen.  I keep my 7390 with the default internal LAN of 192.168.278.x (otherwise trust me, you could be storing up problems in heaven with the VOIP config).  If I could explain it simply to help someone, the router is still the connection to the net, it just happens to leave via the LAN Port 1 and flow "through" the 2-wire onto the ADSL network rather than use the ADSL wire out of the 7390 itself.  After getting my ISP (used to be Freedom2surf, very reliable and I get a static IP - but now subsumed into TalkTalk) to modify my IP profile as a result of the 2-wire, I'm back to a regular 3.2kbps+ (and mostly 3.5kbps or so).  Meaning that this combination actually exceeds what I got on the 7270 and is nearly a whole MEG more than just the 7390 on its own.

So in summary, everything you need (apart from the rather complicated set up of the 2-wire modem, due to BT's 'lovely'  implementation of their firmware) is already in this thread I see.  And it's definitely efficacious as I've proven: at least, I believe a whole 1mbps increase in download capability to have been worth it for the 10 quid investment, extra power supply and running costs.

I don't know if this helps anyone but like everyone else on here, I'm more than happy to answer anything I can help with if someone is considering a similar setup or needs to know why I've had to do it this way.
Jeremy

[Rik]

Hi Jeremy and welcome to the forum. Anyone wanting to help is more than welcome here.

[Simon]

  Jeremy. 

[Ray]

  Jeremy.