2700HGV and Fritzbox

[MisterW]

2700 running the QWest firmware(couldn't find a bridge mode on that) so basically switched everything off, wireless, dhcp etc
2700 ip is 192.168.241.125
7390 ip is 192.168.240.125

The problem is that in that configuration you will have a NAT firewall on both the 2700 and the 7390.
Hence

The VOIP was a pain in the but to get running again, but did lots of port forwarding from the 2700 and it seems ok now

I'm not surprised it was a pain given the dual NAT.
If you're going to try and use the 2700 you'll be much better off with a firmware that allows bridge mode, does the BT v6 allow it ?

[FritzBox]

does the BT v6 allow it ?

I don't know, I've never used it, we need another expert. Bet it don't, BT wouldn't like such a thing
I still have the Singtel to fall back on, didn't really want to change that as it's pre-configured for emergency purposes lol

[jameshurrell]

Yes, I can confirm that the v6 BT firmware will work in bridge mode... my 2 2700s are v5 and V6, both work fine in bridge mode and the setup is the same in both:

http://business.forums.bt.com/t5/Broadband-and-internet/How-to-set-up-bridge-mode-on-the-BT-business-hub/td-p/4902

[FritzBox]

What's the procedure for sticking in your non BT username and pass on those James, I don't want to be faffing too much on it once I've dug out some v6 firmware

[jameshurrell]

I guess you mean if you wanted to use the 2700 with v6 firmware as a simple ADSL router to use with IDNet?

I did manage to do this to test one of my lines worked OK as I had some initial problems with the Draytek behind the 2700... your best bet is to read this section: http://bt2700hgv.tripod.com/063.htm - as ever, some simple formatting would really help that website to make it easier to follow (I had to do it  a few times as I kept missing bits).

[Steve]

What's the procedure for sticking in your non BT username and pass on those James, I don't want to be faffing too much on it once I've dug out some v6 firmware

Won't the Fritz box via  PPPOE be doing the authentication if the 2700 is in bridge mode?

[FritzBox]

I guess you mean if you wanted to use the 2700 with v6 firmware as a simple ADSL router to use with IDNet?

I did manage to do this to test one of my lines worked OK as I had some initial problems with the Draytek behind the 2700... your best bet is to read this section: http://bt2700hgv.tripod.com/063.htm - as ever, some simple formatting would really help that website to make it easier to follow (I had to do it  a few times as I kept missing bits).

Errr I'm not with IDNet, does this mean I get banned now?

[pctech]

Nope, I'm not with IDNet for broadband either and I've not been banned yet 

[Steve]

Errr I'm not with IDNet, does this mean I get banned now?

No! Your very welcome, we've a few non IDNet members.

[Simon]

Errr I'm not with IDNet, does this mean I get banned now?

Anyone is welcome here, IDNet customer or not, but be aware that we'll get you in the end. 

Nope, I'm not with IDNet for broadband either and I've not been banned yet  

No, but we're watching and waiting...  

[MisterW]

No! Your very welcome, we've a few non IDNet members

Me included!

[FritzBox]

Yes, I can confirm that the v6 BT firmware will work in bridge mode... my 2 2700s are v5 and V6, both work fine in bridge mode and the setup is the same in both:

http://business.forums.bt.com/t5/Broadband-and-internet/How-to-set-up-bridge-mode-on-the-BT-business-hub/td-p/4902

James, so your 2700's are actually the modems?

Tried to stick the Singtel in bridge mode this morning and I got this error

'PPPoE PPPoA IPoA are not supported in bridge mode'

As regards to the BT Bridge instructions I'm on ADSL not LLU so I need to stick in a user and pass

[FritzBox]

Can anyone recommend a bog standard modem, that I can stick in bridge mode and use on adsl? Not a Draytek please they are hopeless on my line.

[Lance]

James, so your 2700's are actually the modems?

Tried to stick the Singtel in bridge mode this morning and I got this error

'PPPoE PPPoA IPoA are not supported in bridge mode'

As regards to the BT Bridge instructions I'm on ADSL not LLU so I need to stick in a user and pass

I think you would enter the username and password on the fritzbox, not the 2700.

[jameshurrell]

James, so your 2700's are actually the modems?

Tried to stick the Singtel in bridge mode this morning and I got this error

'PPPoE PPPoA IPoA are not supported in bridge mode'

As regards to the BT Bridge instructions I'm on ADSL not LLU so I need to stick in a user and pass

In think there is some confusion here... my two 2700s are working in bridge mode as simple ADSL modems, not as routers (which is what they are normally). One line is a BT Business ADSL package, the other is IDNet ADSL - both are ADSL Max (not 21CN, nor LLU) - both plug straight into a Draytek 2910 which is a 2 port WAN router - this device does not have any ADSL modems in it, so in normal circumstances you cannot use it with an ADSL line.

The instructions I linked to will work when the 2700 is using the BT firmware (v5 and v6 in my case)... I guess the Singtel firmware does not support bridge mode if you get that error message?

Ref. inputting user and pass as you say, in bridge mode you do not do this on the 2700, you do it on the router behind the 2700 (in your case the Fritzbox, in mine the Draytek)... As I mentioned before, once the 2700 is in bridge mode, connected to your line and synced up, you forget about it... Everything else is done on the router behind including the ISP login.

As for recommendations for an "ADSL modem that I can stick in bridge mode" - that doesn't exist in the strictest terms. An ADSL modem is just a modem, it does nothing else, so you can't stick it in bridge mode as it is already in bridge mode effectively! The only pure ADSL modem I know of is the Draytek 120 (or older versions of it). There may be others, but i've not looked.

Some ADSL routers (which have an ADSL modem in them and are what most people use on ADSL lines) can also work in "bridge mode" to turn them into simple ADSL modems. The 2wire 2700 is one of them as discussed. The Netgear DG834 in its various guises will also do it, as will the BT Voyager 220 (http://www.puzbie.co.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?t=143).

[FritzBox]

In think there is some confusion here... my two 2700s are working in bridge mode as simple ADSL modems, not as routers (which is what they are normally). One line is a BT Business ADSL package, the other is IDNet ADSL - both are ADSL Max (not 21CN, nor LLU) - both plug straight into a Draytek 2910 which is a 2 port WAN router - this device does not have any ADSL modems in it, so in normal circumstances you cannot use it with an ADSL line.

The instructions I linked to will work when the 2700 is using the BT firmware (v5 and v6 in my case)... I guess the Singtel firmware does not support bridge mode if you get that error message?

Ref. inputting user and pass as you say, in bridge mode you do not do this on the 2700, you do it on the router behind the 2700 (in your case the Fritzbox, in mine the Draytek)... As I mentioned before, once the 2700 is in bridge mode, connected to your line and synced up, you forget about it... Everything else is done on the router behind including the ISP login.

As for recommendations for an "ADSL modem that I can stick in bridge mode" - that doesn't exist in the strictest terms. An ADSL modem is just a modem, it does nothing else, so you can't stick it in bridge mode as it is already in bridge mode effectively! The only pure ADSL modem I know of is the Draytek 120 (or older versions of it). There may be others, but i've not looked.

Some ADSL routers (which have an ADSL modem in them and are what most people use on ADSL lines) can also work in "bridge mode" to turn them into simple ADSL modems. The 2wire 2700 is one of them as discussed. The Netgear DG834 in its various guises will also do it, as will the BT Voyager 220 (http://www.puzbie.co.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?t=143).

Ooooh I have a 210 and 220 in stock lol so something else to play with
Ah, so we are saying that once in bridge mode the router behind handles the connection ie the 7390, which is what I didn't want with regards to the connection dropouts, also doing it that way I would then lose the ability to use OpenDNS which I have at the moment
The QWest has a RFC 1483 Transparent Bridging option
Yes I did manage to get the Singtel into Bridge mode having followed the instructions you posted earlier

[jameshurrell]

Ooooh I have a 210 and 220 in stock lol so something else to play with
Ah, so we are saying that once in bridge mode the router behind handles the connection ie the 7390, which is what I didn't want with regards to the connection dropouts, also doing it that way I would then lose the ability to use OpenDNS which I have at the moment
The QWest has a RFC 1483 Transparent Bridging option
Yes I did manage to get the Singtel into Bridge mode having followed the instructions you posted earlier

No, it is the ADSL modem (i.e. the 2700) that handles the synchronisation to the exchange for the ADSL - the Fritzbox does nothing in that regard at all.. So any dropouts or connection issues would be down to the 2700 - the ADSL modem in the Fritzbox would NOT be in use. Everything else is done on the Fritzbox, so I don't see why you shouldn't be able to use OpenDNS... I do on the Draytek.

I use 2700 in bridge mode because the location is a very long way from the exchange and both lines are around 60db - the 2700 is good on long lines, so i let it do the ADSL work (which it does very well), but I get the benefit of the Draytek for other things, namely the dual WAN port (so i have two lines), load balancing, VPN end point etc...

[FritzBox]

Everything else is done on the Fritzbox, so I don't see why you shouldn't be able to use OpenDNS... I do on the Draytek.

I presume doing it the way you have it, I would just stick in my normal PPPoA username and password in the 7390? If so there is no option to specify your own dns servers. See screenshot on previous page as to my current setup
No option either if I select

Establish own Internet connection (NAT router with PPPoE or IP)
Account information required (PPPoE)

Pretty limiting really, I thought this router was going to be the answer to my prayers, unfortunately it's not
Might send a link to this thread to AVM
Thanks James for all your help, that includes everyone else too

[MisterW]

also doing it that way I would then lose the ability to use OpenDNS which I have at the moment

You can set the DNS servers on the 7390 but only by editing the config file , either by telnet or export/impot.

[FritzBox]

You can set the DNS servers on the 7390 but only by editing the config file , either by telnet or export/impot.

I know, but I haven't managed it yet, and it flags the router up to AVM, then no support forthcoming, oh wait.............
I'm not too sure yet what bothers me the most, the lack of manual dns setting or the nightly disconnections

[jameshurrell]

Having taken a look at the Fritxbox 7390 spec, i don't think it will do what you want (i.e. 2700 handles the ADSL side, Fritzbox does the rest)... it does not appear to have a WAN port, so no amount of faffing will get you where you want: http://www.fritzbox.eu/en/products/FRITZBox_Fon_WLAN_7390/index.php?tab=2. The 7390 appears to be a simple ADSL modem router...

I should have looked at the specs right at the beginning - I assumed it had a WAN port or 1 LAN port that could act as a WAN port if needed.

[FritzBox]

Having taken a look at the Fritxbox 7390 spec, i don't think it will do what you want (i.e. 2700 handles the ADSL side, Fritzbox does the rest)... it does not appear to have a WAN port, so no amount of faffing will get you where you want: http://www.fritzbox.eu/en/products/FRITZBox_Fon_WLAN_7390/index.php?tab=2. The 7390 appears to be a simple ADSL modem router...

I should have looked at the specs right at the beginning - I assumed it had a WAN port or 1 LAN port that could act as a WAN port if needed.

Lan1 is the WAN port, the 2700 QWest is passing the WAN config to it as we speak, but not in bridge mode

[Ardua]

Have a look at the Whirlpool.au Internode forums. Our Aussie friends seem to be bridging Fritz!Box routers without any major issues. LAN Port 1, I think doubles as a VDSL etc connection.

[MisterW]

Yes, the manual talks about using LAN1 as the WAN port with a cable modem. Should be fine with the 2700 in bridge mode.

[jameshurrell]

I stand corrected