Any problems tonight?

[Steve]

I think your probably right about the router it's ok

[Niall]

Just checked again and no drops at all. The router logs seem borked though. It works fine but when you log in, it interrupts the logging, seemingly halfway through. It logs fine when you logout though

Ah well, I'm all skint now so I can't afford a new one anyway. Bonamasa is playing in Llandudno (well his band is, still not sure if he is, but his site seems to indicate so) in July so that's another £44 spent. Not doing bad on music this month. £60 at the weekend, £72 on a hotel, £44 on a train £75 on BB King tickets and now another £44 on Bonamasa

Spare food sir?

[Niall]

Just noticed my line was down when I'd come back upstairs. Explains why my mums pc has been taking AGES to download windows updates.

Sat, 2011-06-04 14:17:30 - LCP down.
Sat, 2011-06-04 14:18:30 - Initialize LCP.
Sat, 2011-06-04 14:18:30 - LCP is allowed to come up.
Sat, 2011-06-04 14:18:31 - CHAP authentication success
Sat, 2011-06-04 14:31:47 - LCP down.
Sat, 2011-06-04 14:32:47 - Initialize LCP.
Sat, 2011-06-04 14:32:47 - LCP is allowed to come up.
Sat, 2011-06-04 14:32:48 - CHAP authentication success
Sun, 2011-06-05 02:52:11 - LCP down.
Sun, 2011-06-05 02:53:12 - Initialize LCP.
Sun, 2011-06-05 02:53:12 - LCP is allowed to come up.
Sun, 2011-06-05 02:53:13 - CHAP authentication success
Sun, 2011-06-05 03:00:40 - LCP down.
Sun, 2011-06-05 03:01:46 - Initialize LCP.
Sun, 2011-06-05 03:01:46 - LCP is allowed to come up.
Sun, 2011-06-05 03:01:50 - CHAP authentication success
Sun, 2011-06-05 03:05:10 - LCP down.
Sun, 2011-06-05 03:06:11 - Initialize LCP.
Sun, 2011-06-05 03:06:11 - LCP is allowed to come up.
Sun, 2011-06-05 03:06:12 - CHAP authentication success
Sun, 2011-06-05 05:50:13 - LCP down.
Sun, 2011-06-05 05:51:12 - Initialize LCP.
Sun, 2011-06-05 05:51:13 - LCP is allowed to come up.
Sun, 2011-06-05 05:51:13 - CHAP authentication success
Sun, 2011-06-05 05:51:21 - LCP down.
Sun, 2011-06-05 05:52:21 - Initialize LCP.
Sun, 2011-06-05 05:52:21 - LCP is allowed to come up.
Sun, 2011-06-05 05:52:22 - CHAP authentication success
Sun, 2011-06-05 09:23:13 - LCP down.
Sun, 2011-06-05 09:24:13 - Initialize LCP.
Sun, 2011-06-05 09:24:13 - LCP is allowed to come up.
Sun, 2011-06-05 09:24:14 - CHAP authentication success
Sun, 2011-06-05 17:15:34 - LCP down.
Sun, 2011-06-05 17:16:24 - Administrator login successful - IP:192.168.0.2
tion success
ccess

More worryingly it's now saying the profile is 8888 instead of the near 14k it was. No idea why it suddenly dropped, as it's been fine for days. On thinking about it, I was seeing Steam telling me last night that it was losing it's connection to the friends network thing, so there were probably problems before it actually started dropping. Why it was dropping all through the night I've no idea as I was asleep at the time. The connection was fine all day too.

Really getting fed up of this now. Hope it's just a blip. If it's the router I'd rather it just die completely, to be honest. If it's the line I've no way of knowing. Ah well, I'll just ignore it again. Really can't be bothered with this.

[Rik]

It sound like the line's losing sync, Niall. Any chance you could run Routerstats for 24 hours?

[Niall]

I've got nothing else planned, so why not?

* Niall wanders off to find routerstats

[Rik]

It's one of the best tools available to us to judge the line's performance over a prolonged period.

[Glenn]

Routerstats http://www.vwlowen.co.uk/internet/files.htm

[Niall]

Righty, think that's that running. I'll just need to remember to leave the PC on when I go to bed

[Rik]

We'll let you turn the monitor off, Niall.

[annc]

Just had a phone call from my daughter to say her connection has been really slow all week and now it is down completely, she is on a 01462 number.  Any ideas?

[Glenn]

If she has lost connection completely, she needs to call IDNet and leave a message stating that she has no service. 0800 331 7000

[Niall]

Oddly, as I started Routerstats, the connection dropped and increased slightly. It's now just over 9000 now. It's also showing noise margin of 12.5-12.6 since I last posted.

I've no idea what that means

[annc]

Just had a phone call from my daughter to say her connection has been really slow all week and now it is down completely, she is on a 01462 number.  Any ideas?

Sorry - that should have been 01403 number - was looking at the wrong thing

[Simon]

See Glenn's post above. 

[Rik]

Oddly, as I started Routerstats, the connection dropped and increased slightly. It's now just over 9000 now. It's also showing noise margin of 12.5-12.6 since I last posted.

I've no idea what that means

Best guess - instability has lead DLM to increase your target noise margin, and when the router resynced last, the ambient noise was lower, so it was able to negotiate a higher sync speed, Niall.

[Niall]

Had a quick check this morning on the way out and the stats graph erm...thingy showed the noise dropped, didn't have time to check, but the line speed increased to 10000ish looking at the graph. It doesn't really give you much info other than noise and line profile/speed so I'm not sure how you'd know about line drops if they just go and come back with the same profile, which is was wad happening the other week. Whatever went on this time though, seems to be noise related at a guess as it increases a bit as the noise figure lowered.

That's if I'm understanding it right!

Ah well, back to my extrely cr*p day in work, doing 3 people's job and then the gym. Plus I've had no dinner as I was late because I was busy Quavers are not a filling lunch!

[Rik]

Post the Routerstats text log as an attachment, will you Niall?

[Niall]

Just got home from the gym.

Erm... *looks*

*looks some more*

Erm...

Ah ha, there it is, all hidden at the bottom


As you can see, it's slowly creeping up, which hopefully is a good thing.

[Rik]

Although the speeds are reasonably steady, Niall, that line is still quite unstable.

[Niall]

How can you tell? I've absolutely no idea, and IDnet told me the line was fine 

[Rik]

If you run through the log, Niall, you'll see a number of entries like this:

Mon 06 Jun 2011  03:22:59,    Noise Margin= 13.0, Sync Speed= 9016
Mon 06 Jun 2011  03:23:14,    Noise Margin= 0.0, Sync Speed= 0
Mon 06 Jun 2011  03:23:29,    Noise Margin= 0.0, Sync Speed= 0
Mon 06 Jun 2011  03:23:44,    Noise Margin= 0.0, Sync Speed= 0
Mon 06 Jun 2011  03:23:59,    Noise Margin= 0.0, Sync Speed= 0
Mon 06 Jun 2011  03:24:14,    Noise Margin= 12.0, Sync Speed= 10040

Each one of those is a resync, five in 25 hours by my count.

[Niall]

Oh yeah, that matches where the log showed those disconnects I mentioned. It seems to do it each night when it happens. Also my noise thingy just dropped after posting those logs.

See attached

[Rik]

A couple of db's of noise have come onto the line, so that's not a good thing. Watch for that figure to drop, see at what point the router resyncs. The log suggests that it's not happening due to a decreased NM, it seems to come from out of the blue, so is possibly an error burst.

[Niall]

Oh, so it's worse if the NM is lower then? 

I dunno how all this internet bobbins works

[Bill]

I dunno how all this internet bobbins works

Have a look around RobertoS's site:

http://www.robertos.me.uk/html/noise_margin_snr_snrm.html