BT calling time on 20CN broadband

rgt247 · Jun 30, 2011, 20:48:56

Is this good news for me ?? I am currently on Idnet Home Max (ADSL MAX) package on a market 1 exchange, with no SDSL or LLU or fiber. There are no current dates for any of these services...

http://www.trefor.net/2011/06/30/bt-calling-time-on-20cn-broadband-ipstream-datastream-retirement/

Is this true?

I found the link on thinkbroadband twitter feed but no news Item on front page. !!

Twitter link.

Steve · Jun 30, 2011, 21:48:43

I think it means by 2014 you'll either be on adsl2+ or Fibre

rgt247 · Jun 30, 2011, 21:58:55

So that means everyone will be on 21C by 2014. Which will great news for all of the UK.

Steve · Jun 30, 2011, 22:32:51

I guess as some exchanges will be fibre only the cost of fibre packages will have to come down.

Bill · Jun 30, 2011, 22:43:20

Quote from: rgt247 on Jun 30, 2011, 20:48:56but no news Item on front page. !!

It's there now:

http://www.thinkbroadband.com/news/4712-bt-to-withdraw-ipstream-products-by-spring-2014.html

pctech · Jun 30, 2011, 22:46:00

Hopefully FTTC/FTTP prices will come down.

Bill · Jul 01, 2011, 12:19:46

The announcent has been updated... downwards

Update - 01/07/2011 11:30

We have been advised that of a correction to the above. Whilst Datastream is being withdrawn nationwide, the IPStream services are only being withdrawn within the 21CN WBC footprint. This means that exchanges that haven't been upgraded with 21CN will continue to receive IPStream services into 2014 and beyond. Unfortunately this does mean that some of the country may be stuck on 'up-to' 8meg ADSL for some years to come.

Ray · Jul 01, 2011, 12:25:03

That's me stuck for a few years then,

I can't see them rushing to upgrade a rural exchange that only has about 1500 subscribers.

Gary · Jul 01, 2011, 12:38:07

Quote from: Ray on Jul 01, 2011, 12:25:03
That's me stuck for a few years then, I can't see them rushing to upgrade a rural exchange that only has about 1500 subscribers.

Same here Ray I can go to A CPW reseller like Xilo but with no telephone packages....not good news and you have to move your phone as its full LLU.

Simon · Jul 01, 2011, 13:18:51

I'm quite happy with my Max connection. As they say, what you've never had, you don't miss.

pctech · Jul 01, 2011, 13:55:36

Quote from: Gary on Jul 01, 2011, 12:38:07
Same here Ray I can go to A CPW reseller like Xilo but with no telephone packages....not good news and you have to move your phone as its full LLU.

Thought Xilo were introducing telephone packages as when I tried to help one of the users on their forums by directing them to IDNet, the name was blocked and I was unceremoniously booted from the forum.

Not really a company I'd want to deal with if thats the way they treat people.

rgt247 · Jul 01, 2011, 15:06:38

Quote from: Ray on Jul 01, 2011, 12:25:03
That's me stuck for a few years then, I can't see them rushing to upgrade a rural exchange that only has about 1500 subscribers.

Same here 1500 subscribes on my exchange. No change for the foreseeable.

Steve · Jul 01, 2011, 18:04:11

I think if was stuck on max for the foreseeable future I would go LLU,Xilo would be an option and I would consider a second line for phone or broadband use only.

Gary · Jul 02, 2011, 08:59:06

Quote from: pctech on Jul 01, 2011, 13:55:36
Thought Xilo were introducing telephone packages as when I tried to help one of the users on their forums by directing them to IDNet, the name was blocked and I was unceremoniously booted from the forum.

Not really a company I'd want to deal with if that's the way they treat people.

You posted that last time, Mitch. You broke their forum rules, that's why you got booted. In my dealing with them about services they have been courteous and very helpful.

Gary · Jul 02, 2011, 09:00:52

Quote from: Steve on Jul 01, 2011, 18:04:11
I think if was stuck on max for the foreseeable future I would go LLU,Xilo would be an option and I would consider a second line for phone or broadband use only.

Cost factors in as well Steve, running one line on LLU and a second for phone gets expensive. The point for me would be to consolidate my packages and not pay more than I do now.

Steve · Jul 02, 2011, 10:43:34

Of course cost factors in but for instance running full LLU on Xilo and BT for phone is probably no more than I pay monthly at the moment, obviously there's an install cost but that becomes minimal if it's a long term decision.

Gary · Jul 02, 2011, 11:39:15

Quote from: Steve on Jul 02, 2011, 10:43:34
Of course cost factors in but for instance running full LLU on Xilo and BT for phone is probably no more than I pay monthly at the moment, obviously there's an install cost but that becomes minimal if it's a long term decision.

True and the speeds would be much better but I would not go back to BT in a gazillion years and I cant justify £130 for a new line, also changing phone numbers is a pain, I would need a new line put in for Xilo really and then drop BB off IDnet and keep the phone. Right now things can stay as they are if Xilo did BB and phone in one that would be the answer...

esh · Jul 02, 2011, 13:23:56

From what I've seen, the DSL max sync rate isn't quite so much on a hair trigger as DSL2.

seaweasel · Jul 30, 2011, 20:57:51

Interesting news, although as the update mentioned I may well be stuck on ADSL Max forever! I was just doing a somewhat hopeless search for news on 21cn rollout for my exchange (estimated date disappeared long ago) and came across this article:

http://www.zdnet.co.uk/news/networking/2007/02/22/northern-ireland-first-to-get-21cn-completion-39286026/

Ah well, what could have been! It's not so much the speed that bothers me (7mbit down isn't too bad) but the cost of BT Wholesale and reliability.