LLU service now available from IDNet - Discuss here

Technical Ben · Oct 08, 2011, 21:58:07

Quote from: Lance on Oct 08, 2011, 21:32:17
Unfortunately I don't have Be/O2 on my exchange, but I am due for fibre by [time +n].

Fixed it for you. PS, "n" may approach "infinity".

Lance · Oct 08, 2011, 22:03:29

Rik · Oct 09, 2011, 11:31:26

Quote from: Steve on Oct 08, 2011, 19:30:53
as an IDNet customer on BT adsl2+ switching to Telefonica, will if allowances remain the same have an increased allowance over an IDNet BT adslmax to Telfonica switch.

As things stand, allowances remain the same, Steve.

Technical Ben · Oct 09, 2011, 12:43:06

The increase in speed and stability may be worth it alone though.

Rik · Oct 09, 2011, 12:50:32

Plus IDNet can tweak the line settings, eg target NM or interleaving.

Technical Ben · Oct 09, 2011, 22:04:43

Could they do things like drop your speed on request, to give stability?
The BT equipment has been known to automatically up speed, as it forgets long term idiosyncrasy. So if your line drops out once a month due to noise, it might be better to leave is at a lower through put, for better up time.

I can see a lot of those out in the rurals happy for it

.Griff. · Oct 09, 2011, 23:57:46

Quote from: Technical Ben on Oct 09, 2011, 22:04:43
Could they do things like drop your speed on request, to give stability?
The BT equipment has been known to automatically up speed, as it forgets long term idiosyncrasy. So if your line drops out once a month due to noise, it might be better to leave is at a lower through put, for better up time.

I can see a lot of those out in the rurals happy for it

When I was Be they provided the ability to set a "SNR Profile" which in turn either increased or decreased sync speed. Obviously setting a higher SNR profile, e.g 9dB, lowered your sync speed but also made people with long/high ATT lines more stable.

Whether this facility is available to O2/Be wholesale customers is another matter.

Lance · Oct 10, 2011, 00:07:35

I it can e tweaked down, I can't see why it couldn't also be tweaked upwards.

Rik · Oct 10, 2011, 07:16:48

Quote from: Technical Ben on Oct 09, 2011, 22:04:43
Could they do things like drop your speed on request, to give stability?

Yes, they increase the target NM. They can also turn interleaving on or off and tweak the depth.

Gary · Oct 10, 2011, 09:01:44

I would actually just use O2 LLU as an O2 user due to discounts even though its a years contact, the savings would be enough to sway me. O2 and Be has a bigger download limit too. Good news IDNet are doing this though it helps to diversify, alas no O2 LLU at my exchange and I really dont fancy ADSL2+ via BT in December.

Technical Ben · Oct 10, 2011, 09:16:57

That's ok Gary, I'd be happy to take the connection off you then.

esh · Oct 10, 2011, 09:39:43

Hi, everyone, more questions, sorry

... Since the Be network site is quoting me 9Mbit does that almost certainly mean it is ADSL2+? If that is the case, do I have a problem since I'm only outfitted with Ye Olde ADSLe equipment as it stands?

Steve · Oct 10, 2011, 11:16:02

Yes you would need a compatible modem although the majority are!

esh · Oct 10, 2011, 11:32:30

I think this modem is about 2001-2002, so I suspect it's not. I just wondered if ADSL2+ was backwards compatible, but from what you say, I guess not.

Rik · Oct 10, 2011, 12:03:15

Only in that it can be modulated as ADSL rather than ADSL2+.

Niall · Oct 10, 2011, 14:29:27

What benefits does LLU have over 21cn stuff? Just curious as some have recommended me moving to an LLU provider after all my problems (although it's not available with anyone worth switching to). My line still hasn't recovered and I can't see how LLU could help with that

pctech · Oct 10, 2011, 15:46:30

Its mainly to do with the lack of profile banding Niall where the BT system will cap your line at a certain maximum when instability is detected on ADSL2+ lines.

BE Wholesale do not do that and allow ISPs control of SNR etc which BT do not.

Niall · Oct 10, 2011, 16:59:28

Ah ha, in that case I need IDnet to get some equipment in the Wrexham exchange

pctech · Oct 10, 2011, 17:00:52

That'll be down to O2 now then.

Niall · Oct 10, 2011, 23:12:54

Ooh christ, O2? They have a rather dodgy reputaion internet wise in this area. One of the other exchanges near here has them on it and I was only talking to a woman in work today who has spent months arguing with them to get out of their misleading contracts. I know it's not a contract with them, but I think I'll steer well clear if IDnet are using their stuff.

Lance · Oct 10, 2011, 23:24:57

There is a clear difference between O2 retail and telefonica wholesale. Your contract is with Idnet and that doesn't change.

Technical Ben · Oct 11, 2011, 09:02:00

Strange Niall, never had any trouble with O2. When I first joined I did have the a problem with the part that uses "BT wholesale" . IE they did a Sky and purchased no bandwidth or their routing/hardware was no good.

pctech · Oct 11, 2011, 11:04:57

Lance is coorect but it does depend on how good the lines are locally, I had a horrendous time with O2 Retail but would feel confident with IDNet having more control over the line parameters so its probably worth giving it a go.

I am mulling it over myself too.

Tacitus · Oct 11, 2011, 18:54:14

Will there be an 'official' announcement of the connection with Telefonica, complete with appropriate publicity or is the announcement confined to Netters?

I think the fact they are trialling this would generate considerable interest on TB, possibly with pre-orders.

Rik · Oct 11, 2011, 18:56:58

It's been mentioned on TB, I think, Tac, but at this point it's very much a trial, finding out how lines perform, which users will benefit etc. Whether there will be a general option to move, or it will be a matter for IDNet, based on their business model, is something I don't yet know.