LLU service now available from IDNet - Discuss here

Technical Ben · Oct 14, 2011, 23:01:42

A tiny bit more bandwidth allowance too? (As now ASDL2 equivalent)

esh · Oct 14, 2011, 23:52:19

Quote from: Technical Ben on Oct 14, 2011, 23:01:42
A tiny bit more bandwidth allowance too? (As now ASDL2 equivalent)

Yeah that's right. I went from 40/180GB to 60/300GB, which was the only thing that prompted me that I had ADSL2 capability! Very handy.

davej99 · Oct 17, 2011, 16:00:58

I found this link about the wholesale product in question: http://www.bewholesale.co.uk/. This seems distinct from Telefonica Wholesale: http://www.telefonica-wholesale.com/en/index.html. The FAQ is quite useful: http://www.bewholesale.co.uk/solutions/faqs/.

The seems to be much work going on: http://www.zdnet.co.uk/news/networking/2011/10/07/be-broadband-revamps-network-for-ipv6-40094136/.

pctech · Oct 17, 2011, 17:11:17

I think they are probably using the BE Wholesale service.

Jimbo · Oct 18, 2011, 17:13:21

Hi all.

Is there much demand for this? I emailed support two days ago and haven't heard anything back yet. Just wondering if they are getting hammered with requests.

If there's any chance of improvement on my 1.8MB line I want to grab it with both hands.

Thanks!

Rik · Oct 18, 2011, 17:14:46

I haven't had any feedback on takeup, Jimbo. Does your exchange have Be/O2 LLU?

Rik · Oct 18, 2011, 17:16:59

Just checked, Jimbo. Support don't have a request from you, could you email again - support at idnet.com?

Jimbo · Oct 18, 2011, 18:02:11

Quote from: Rik on Oct 18, 2011, 17:16:59
Just checked, Jimbo. Support don't have a request from you, could you email again - support at idnet.com?

Thanks for checking Rik. I'll send another one shortly. (Thought it was odd, as usually they are pretty sharp on replying)... I'm just being lazy and should call really.

Oh and yes, my Exchange has O2/Be. Is that what is needed in order to do the switch?

Regards.

Rik · Oct 18, 2011, 18:20:49

It is.

Baz · Oct 18, 2011, 18:34:07

how can you tell what your exchange has and does it make any difference as to which one it uses

Technical Ben · Oct 18, 2011, 23:21:46

O2/Be are the same. They just both use their names when referring to each other. IE "We have o2 equipment in the exchange" actually means "we have Be equipment in the exchange."

pctech · Oct 19, 2011, 00:12:07

Telefonica is the parent company of BE/O2 and is the Spanish equivalent of BT.

Jimbo · Oct 21, 2011, 18:18:41

Wow. Not sure if this is linked to the switch over that I've requested, but for the first time ever I'm sync'd at 2.8MB!

That's a whole 1MB increase. Long may it continue.

Rik · Oct 21, 2011, 18:23:26

What are your other stats like, Jimbo, particularly d/s attenuation and noise margin? Have you tested your ping times to www.idnet.com?

Jimbo · Oct 21, 2011, 19:08:31

Quote from: Rik on Oct 21, 2011, 18:23:26
What are your other stats like, Jimbo, particularly d/s attenuation and noise margin? Have you tested your ping times to www.idnet.com?

Hi Rik, now your getting technical.

OK, let's see...

Downspeed - 2756000
SNR Margin - 6dB
Loop Attn - 59dB
TX CRC errs - 73
RX CRC errs - 133

C:\>ping www.idnet.com

Pinging www.idnet.com [212.69.36.10] with 32 bytes of data:
Reply from 212.69.36.10: bytes=32 time=46ms TTL=59
Reply from 212.69.36.10: bytes=32 time=37ms TTL=59
Reply from 212.69.36.10: bytes=32 time=39ms TTL=59
Reply from 212.69.36.10: bytes=32 time=37ms TTL=59

Ping statistics for 212.69.36.10:
Packets: Sent = 4, Received = 4, Lost = 0 (0% loss),
Approximate round trip times in milli-seconds:
Minimum = 37ms, Maximum = 46ms, Average = 39ms

C:\>pathping www.idnet.com

Tracing route to www.idnet.com [212.69.36.10] over a maximum of 30 hops:
0 James-PC [192.168.x.x]
1 192.168.x.x
2 telehouse-gw4-lo2.idnet.net [212.69.63.99]
3 telehouse-gw5-e4-400.idnet.net [212.69.63.245]
4 redbus-gw2-g0-1-331.idnet.net [212.69.63.5]
5 redbus-gw1-fa2-0-300.idnet.net [212.69.63.225]
6 www.idnet.net [212.69.36.10]

Computing statistics for 150 seconds...

Source to Here This Node/Link
Hop RTT Lost/Sent = Pct Lost/Sent = Pct Address
0 James-PC [192.168.x.x]
0/ 100 = 0% |
1 3ms 0/ 100 = 0% 0/ 100 = 0% 192.168.x.x
0/ 100 = 0% |
2 50ms 0/ 100 = 0% 0/ 100 = 0% telehouse-gw4-lo2.idnet.net [212.69.63.99]
0/ 100 = 0% |
3 49ms 0/ 100 = 0% 0/ 100 = 0% telehouse-gw5-e4-400.idnet.net [212.69.63.245]
0/ 100 = 0% |
4 56ms 0/ 100 = 0% 0/ 100 = 0% redbus-gw2-g0-1-331.idnet.net [212.69.63.5]
0/ 100 = 0% |
5 50ms 0/ 100 = 0% 0/ 100 = 0% redbus-gw1-fa2-0-300.idnet.net [212.69.63.225]
0/ 100 = 0% |
6 48ms 0/ 100 = 0% 0/ 100 = 0% www.idnet.net [212.69.36.10]

Trace complete.

I'm taking this opportunity to download a lot of updates whilst I have the speed. Hope that info makes more sense to you Rik!

Jimbo · Oct 21, 2011, 19:10:26

Oh should also say, I'm not sure if it is to do with the switch as IDNet support said it wouldn't be until the 27th. But I'm not complaining.

Rik · Oct 22, 2011, 03:09:26

Can you recall what your pings times used to be? Looking at the tracert, I get the same number of hops on the BT line, but 2 less on the Telefonica one. Also, your upload speed suggests you're not on ADSL2+. Can you still run a test via the BT speed tester?

Fwiw, BT seem to be tweaking DLM atm, my profile is currently 3916k on a 4440k connection. Normally, that would be 3500k.

Jimbo · Oct 22, 2011, 13:15:40

Quote from: Rik on Oct 22, 2011, 03:09:26
Can you recall what your pings times used to be? Looking at the tracert, I get the same number of hops on the BT line, but 2 less on the Telefonica one. Also, your upload speed suggests you're not on ADSL2+. Can you still run a test via the BT speed tester?

Fwiw, BT seem to be tweaking DLM atm, my profile is currently 3916k on a 4440k connection. Normally, that would be 3500k.

Hi Rik, no sorry I don't recall what my ping times used to be, or if they have indeed changed. Yeah, I'm not on ADSL2+ as it was quite unstable for me so IDNet switched me back to ADSL but let me keep the allowance increase. Funnily enough, I can't run the BT speed tester. I've tried both Firefox and IE and it just sits on "checking details". I left it running for 20 minutes and nothing changed, so I'm not quite sure what's going on there.

Rik · Oct 22, 2011, 17:24:16

Could be sulking, which it's prone to do, Jimbo. Ideally, we want to see an error message saying it can't carry out the test as that would confirm the LLU connection.

Jimbo · Oct 24, 2011, 15:04:52

Quote from: Rik on Oct 22, 2011, 17:24:16
Could be sulking, which it's prone to do, Jimbo. Ideally, we want to see an error message saying it can't carry out the test as that would confirm the LLU connection.

Sorry for the late reply Rik. Yeah I think it must know I'm being switched and it's sulking.

I'll post back some stats after the date Support gave me, just to see if it differs from my early stuff. Thanks again.

Rik · Oct 24, 2011, 17:35:55

mk1 · Oct 27, 2011, 10:56:58

This sounds very interesting to me, LLU based

, i forever have d/c issues with my line and low sync speeds which go up and down all the time. Current stats:

ADSL Link      Downstream      Upstream
Connection Speed    2272 kbps 540 kbps
Line Attenuation      57.5 db 31.4 db
Noise Margin      16.1 db 9.1 db

www.idnet.net ping:
min: 27ms max: 32ms avg: 29ms

If i ask support to switch my line, i understand that there would be no charge for it to turn back to a BT line. However if Idnet LLU line doesn't work for me can i switch back to Idnet 21cn? I am assuming here the LLU should give me a large sync increase has previously i have hold 4mb sync on my line using dmt tool, whats everyones advice?

Rik · Oct 27, 2011, 12:32:34

If you've got disconnection issues, try and resolve them first. If you do make the switch and want to switch back, it will only be possible if your exchange is BT 21CN, if that were the case, I would have expected you to be on ADSL2+ already, which your upstream sync speed suggests you are, but possibly with a banded profile.

mk1 · Oct 27, 2011, 13:03:51

Quote from: Rik on Oct 27, 2011, 12:32:34
If you've got disconnection issues, try and resolve them first. If you do make the switch and want to switch back, it will only be possible if your exchange is BT 21CN, if that were the case, I would have expected you to be on ADSL2+ already, which your upstream sync speed suggests you are, but possibly with a banded profile.

I beleive i am all ready on ADSL2+, the exchange i am is Bradwell Abbey which has BT 21cn. I am sure i am also on a banded profile which i belive LLU would remove. the D/c issues i did try to resolve the issue was around using the land line phone, if the phone was simply called the broadband would drop. I tried serveral different filters etc and a "i-plate" but no luck. I was offered for BT to come out and look etc but i didn't want to pay the bills if they cant find the fault. So i am guessing LLU based would hopefully improve the issues and increase my sync is this correct?

Rik · Oct 27, 2011, 13:58:41

LLU won't affect the disconnect issue, unfortunately, as the underlying technology is the same. It sounds to me like you have an HR fault, which causes those symptoms (provided you've tried at least a couple of other filters, I'd bet on it). What LLU will give you is the ability for IDNet to directly tweak the line, and no profiles, so throughput will be much closer to sync speed.