LLU service now available from IDNet - Discuss here

[mk1]

LLU won't affect the disconnect issue, unfortunately, as the underlying technology is the same. It sounds to me like you have an HR fault, which causes those symptoms (provided you've tried at least a couple of other filters, I'd bet on it). What LLU will give you is the ability for IDNet to directly tweak the line, and no profiles, so throughput will be much closer to sync speed.

Not sure what at HR fault is and whether I can do anything about it. However the d/c issue are not too bad as I don't use the landline. So overall I should switching to llu and if all else fails I can't put it back

[Rik]

It's a high resistance joint, which acts a bit like an old crystal set and puts RF noise on the line, causing BB to lose sync.

[mk1]

Sounds interesting, is the a home user fix to that? I'm sending the email to ident asking about the llu

[Rik]

No, it's a BT job, the trick is to get them to acknowledge the fault exists, but it is quite common.

[.Griff.]

the trick is to get them to acknowledge the fault exists

 

[Rik]

Indeed.

[mk1]

Umm that is my dilemma then, I don't want to have to pay any charges to bt grrrr. Never mine as I tend not to use the phone. I'll just the the llu so if it does drop it won't get banded like it does ATM.

[Rik]

Have support tested the line?

[mk1]

Last time was a good few months ago, and they said bt would need to be called out but they may charge. I've just left it,

[Rik]

If I'm right, you'll take the problem with you to BE unless the joint happens to be in the exchange, where it may be cured in the wiring changeover required to connect you to the LLU equipment. OTOH, LLU will penalise you less.

[mk1]

Umm yes I think I will see what support say, I have to send in a email. Also for anyone else wondering once switched on can't go back for three months.

[Rik]

Thanks for that, hadn't heard it before, they must have a 90-day contract with Telefonica.

[Jimbo]

Well today is the 27th, but, I can't tell if I've been moved over or not. 

Do I need to reboot my Router or anything? 

I tried the BT Speed Test but it still refuses to work as before, just sits and does nothing.

Thanks again.

[Ardua]

I see from the TBB main site that Entanet has now entered into a strategic partnership with BE Wholesale. Is there potential for LLU congestion problems in the months to come? That said, it is good to see independent ISPs looking for ways to increase ADSL competition.

[Rik]

Well today is the 27th, but, I can't tell if I've been moved over or not. 

Do I need to reboot my Router or anything? 

I tried the BT Speed Test but it still refuses to work as before, just sits and does nothing.

Thanks again.

I didn't reboot the router, Jimbo. Check the logs and see if there's been a resync - there would have to be if you've moved. Also check your sync speed up and down, see if they look different.

[Rik]

I see from the TBB main site that Entanet has now entered into a strategic partnership with BE Wholesale. Is there potential for LLU congestion problems in the months to come? That said, it is good to see independent ISPs looking for ways to increase ADSL competition.

There's always a potential for congestion, but one would hope Be wouldn't want to get the same reputation as BT.

[mk1]

Small update:

LLU line ordered and should be completed by Friday.

[Rik]

 

[esh]

Even if there is congestion, it seems IDNet are willing to switch you back if wanted. It's always a risk.

I am quite content on the Telefonica network at the moment. Downloading at 1.5MB/s feels civilised...

I note that my SNR margin varies quite hugely depending on time of day. When I first looked at the average (12dB!) I was surprised at this, but between 6pm and 8pm every day it goes all the way to 6dB, which would be why I'm at 13Mbit or so instead of any higher.

[Rik]

Presumably, your line is picking up more noise on the frequencies now in use. My line has been the same, partly because it's running faster and with a lower target NM than when it was a BT connection.

[jezuk1]

Is there any indication when IPv6 addresses will be assigned on the LLU service? My router hasn't received one since the switch 2 weeks ago.

Thanks 

[RobertoS]

As far as I am aware it's not full LLU, the voice connection stays as is.

Just to clarify.

The Be network, which is what we are talking about, as O2 runs on it, (Telefonica bought Be for the purpose), is SMPF.  That means the phone and broadband are independent.  The phone line can be with any WLR (Wholesale Line Rental) provider that is willing to accept a Be connection.  BT, the Post Office and clearly IDNet are obvious candidates.  There are others but a list is pointless. Just ask.  (I don't visit here a lot, but a PM on tbb forums will always get me).

Regarding migration away from this SMPF, a normal MAC is all that is needed.  No need to revert to a BT circuit on IDNet as has been suggested. In my case I moved from Newnet (BT-based) to O2 LLU and then to IDNet FTTC. It is only MPF (where the phone has gone LLU as well) where there can be a problem.

Additionally, there have been a couple of concerns about routers.  One at least has been resolved, but for anyone else coming along, as .GRISS. hinted at, a Broadcom based router is best to match with the Be Broadcom DSLAMs, because features only available on Broadcom are implemented by Be to improve overall line performance. Good ones available on eBay are Netgear 834v4, 834Gv4, 834GT, 834Nv1. Avoid 834v1, v2, v3, v5(if it exists), 834Gv1, v2,v3 v5 (it does exist), and 834Nv2. Then there are later models of Netgear and others, but moving out of my sphere.

[.Griff.]

One at least has been resolved, but for anyone else coming along, as .GRISS. hinted at, a Broadcom based router is best to match with the Be Broadcom DSLAMs, because features only available on Broadcom are implemented by Be to improve overall line performance. Good ones available on eBay are Netgear 834v4, 834Gv4, 834GT, 834Nv1. Avoid 834v1, v2, v3, v5(if it exists), 834Gv1, v2,v3 v5 (it does exist), and 834Nv2. Then there are later models of Netgear and others, but moving out of my sphere.

Griss?!? 

[RobertoS]

Mi dispiace  .  Il vino rosso parla. (Sorry! The red wine speaks). At least I acknowledged you raised the point early on.

[sparkler]

o well i don't jave 02/be on my exchange so no llu for me