BT gets 14 days to block newzbin 2

[pctech]

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/10/26/bt_newsbinz2_block_get_on_with_it/

[Polchraine]

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/10/26/bt_newsbinz2_block_get_on_with_it/

Don't laugh too loudly about it - because YOU will end up paying towards it.   BT tried to recover their costs from the studios, but the court said no,  so BT has only one other way to recover a valid operating cost and that is from the ISPs who will pass it on to the end users.

[pctech]

I'm not laughing about it, think its a dark day for Internet in the UK.

BT could always reduce the bonuses paid to their executives, oh wait, ISPs and end users easy targets.

[.Griff.]

I tell you what is laughable. Within 10 minutes (maybe 10 seconds) of the block being in place it's will already be circumvented.

It's an absolutely pointless ruling.

[Steve]

BTW 'theregister' is down at the moment

[kinmel]

I tell you what is laughable. Within 10 minutes (maybe 10 seconds) of the block being in place it's will already be circumvented.

It's an absolutely pointless ruling.

Weeks ago all users started to connect to Newzbin through a new Newzbin Client that doesn't require you to input any web address or IP into a browser for an ISP to interrogate .

On start-up, without any user input,  the Client automatically goes randomly to any one of a huge number of innocuous servers and collects the encrypted current IP addresses for Newzbin.  Whenever Newzbin change the IP addresses for their two websites, all the Client accessed servers are automatically updated.  The Client holds a list of all of these servers and when starting goes through them in turn until one connects to the websites.

Two huge benefits of this client are (a) I no longer need to log in on every visit, the Client authenticates members at the IP server and (b) the Newzbin system has my IP address as being that of the Client server that connected me.

Progress is a wonderful thing.

[SSK]

So, as this all seems to be about BT, does it also affect LLU providers such as BE?

[.Griff.]

So, as this all seems to be about BT, does it also affect LLU providers such as BE?

No. It doesn't affect BTW providers either.

[pctech]

No. It doesn't affect BTW providers either.

At the moment

[Polchraine]

At the moment

I can see the studios pushing BT to stop access to the sites even if BT just provides the fibre link or routing or interconnect to another ISP ...


Whilst I don't approve of the illegal filesharing of films,   I believe it is unfair to force BT to remove their net neutrality (and they say they will not interfere with any traffic apart from child abuse/porn (without customer instructions)) and the studios should be targeting the users and hosting sites.    The way it is, every honest user is paying the fines of the dishonest and criminal.

It is like saying a pub should pay teh fines of drink drivers because they provided access to the beer!   The drink-drivers would pay a little as would every other drinker even though that had not broken the law.

[pctech]

As I u8nderstand it, it would not be technically possible for BTW to do this as a tunnel is set up between the customer and the ISP.

The BT Total Broadband product is managed end to end by BT Global Services (it uses the BTnet backbone) so it can be implemented

Plusnet (another BT Retail brand) had at the time I was using them, their own network but I assume they'd implement this on their network too though they were at a time testing a login that would route via BTnet.

MisterW who I believe is a Plusnet customer is better placed to advise than I am.

[Polchraine]

As I u8nderstand it, it would not be technically possible for BTW to do this as a tunnel is set up between the customer and the ISP.

Will that stop the studios from trying to force BT to do something and then ultimately Plusnet?

If the studios were to try (and they will) and win then BT would have to tell the ISP "You cannot put that traffic on our network and must implement the systems to stop it."   - more cost for BT more cost for other ISPs

The cost to BT, so far, and ultimately it will be charged to users and ISPs is probably well into the millions.

[pctech]

Studios need to target the core issue, the ridiculous prices charged for DVDs/blu ray disks/cinema tickets and music.

[MisterW]

MisterW who I believe is a Plusnet customer is better placed to advise than I am.

Correct on the first point. From what I can see the judgment applies to BT Retail only. I would imagine that PlusNet, with their own network and traffic management systems, would want to stay out of it for as long as possible. 

[Polchraine]

Correct on the first point. From what I can see the judgment applies to BT Retail only. I would imagine that PlusNet, with their own network and traffic management systems, would want to stay out of it for as long as possible. 

The judgement is against British Telecommunications plc not any specific division or subsidiary. 

[MisterW]

Yes I realise that but in the judgement it says

I accept that it is not appropriate to grant an injunction against BT's access services and upstream divisions. The position in respect of BT's downstream divisions is more equivocal, but in my view the proportionate answer is that the injunction should apply to all BT's services which incorporate Cleanfeed whether that is imposed on the customer or taken as an option.

AFAIK that only applies to broadband supplied directly by BT Retail

[Adam]

BT plans to implement this using their CleanFeed system, so anyone using that system will be affected. I am unsure if anyone but BT Retail uses the system, in which case it would affect others.