Question for any Fritz!Box 7390 users

Steve · Mar 22, 2012, 20:33:31

From the thread on TBB How to get the Fritzbox working as an fttc modem , the VLAN ID is 101

Glenn · Mar 22, 2012, 20:40:57

I'm must be doing something very basic wrong, with VLAN set at 101 it's not connecting, without it, it connects but no throughput.

Steve · Mar 22, 2012, 20:55:49

Sorry Glenn , I'm clueless perhaps vlan setup and VLAN ID are completely different , if you haven't plod through that thread on TBB

mervl · Mar 22, 2012, 21:36:37

Yes: you need to check Use VLAN for access and insert the figures 101 against that entry. All should then be good. Without it sync but no registration with IDNet and no internet. It's a unique, secret, BT setting! Good ole UK, different from everyone else as usual.

Also you need to on DSL ATM settings (beneath the VLAN setting) use set manually to PPPoE (NOT to use automatic settings) and use VPI 1 and VCI 32 according to my settings. Hope it now works.

Glenn · Mar 22, 2012, 22:35:35

Sorted

With the ATM setting on Auto I had no throughput, set manually to 0,38 it works.

Glenn · Mar 22, 2012, 22:38:58

It seems to be a slower connection with the Fritz

Before

After

Steve · Mar 22, 2012, 22:48:00

You should be able to get some stats from the router I believe , I think some lines have done well on the Fritzbox, whether you should choose Annex A or B I've no idea as they both work but one maybe be better than the other.

mervl · Mar 22, 2012, 23:22:22

That'll teach me never to trust German software - mine had defaulted to the wrong 1,32 but it still worked!

I'm on Annex A but it's irrelevant as far as I can see, and Annex B made no difference: I still think they are ADSL not VDSL settings on the Fritz. The stats are under Internet/DSL Info then respectively DSL, Spectrum and Statistics (latter 24 hour) and there are some comparison stats emerging on the FritzForum site, accessible via Momilc (3 of us on VDSL2 1 on ADSL so far).

Either the default or use native IPv6 settings work for IDNet, with dual IPv4/6 use set on the router.

EDIT: after you get used to it, the latest beta firmware appears to be a preview of the new release - due when I don't know, and seems to be stable: the English beta labs site is at http://www.avm.de/en/service/Lab/index.php and I think may at first as a beta have to be installed from a file on the PC, but can then be updated automatically from within the Fritz menu (or the latter might work first time from a full to beta version). Trouble with the beta is it has no help access which is a good facility as the manual is so poor. For heavens sake do a backup first though through the option in the system menu, though I've never had to revert.

Glenn · Mar 23, 2012, 05:40:24

Looks like my line is half way between 40/10 & 80/20

Lance · Mar 23, 2012, 08:30:40

Quote from: Glenn on Mar 22, 2012, 22:38:58
It seems to be a slower connection with the Fritz

Before

After

Could it just be the different server used?

Ardua · Mar 23, 2012, 08:31:17

No PC is needed to load beta firmware. Just load it to the Mac desktop and then open the firmware configuration page in the FB GUI and select the file that you have downloaded. BEWARE - FB firmware updates take an age to load. Prior to any upload, backup your settings - again from the GUI. In the unlikely event that the upgrade fails - and I have never known one to do so - you will need to use a PC to download and run the recovery tool to get back to the last non-beta firmware release. AVM issue about 4 FB firmware updates a year

Steve · Mar 23, 2012, 08:35:22

Quote from: Lance on Mar 23, 2012, 08:30:40
Could it just be the different server used?

Well spotted.

It's difficult to comment without knowing the max attainable rate prior to the swap, keeping an eye on the IP profile maybe helpful.

Glenn · Mar 23, 2012, 08:50:09

Download speedachieved during the test was - 13 Mbps
For your connection, the acceptable range of speedsis 16 Mbps-30.07 Mbps .
Additional Information:
IP Profile for your line is - 30.07 Mbps

Upload speed achieved during the test was - 5.86Mbps
Additional Information:
Upstream Rate IP profile on your line is - 20 Mbps

mervl · Mar 23, 2012, 08:58:19

Quote from: Glenn on Mar 23, 2012, 05:40:24
Looks like my line is half way between 40/10 & 80/20

Are you on the 80/20 trial? Anyhow those stats look a bit weird to me - on a higher attenuation (20dB), and apart from the upload, with similar characteristics I get a consistent 39992 sync, and 38.71 IP profile, and the attainable shows as 41500 and can vary by a couple of Meg. I'm not on the trial. Though speedtest.net does from time to time jump about between the usual excellent around 38 down to 25 or lower (and I've too had one case of 5Mbps followed immediately by a 37Mbps) for no apparent reason. The BT speedtester is consistent though showing a throughput of 38/38.71, which also corresponds to the upper limit of my best measured downloads. From my experience you have to do a lot to upset the VDSL DLM, and I haven't managed it yet.

I've always been bewildered by the Fritz! error reporting (and suspicious of the figs detailed accuracy), though the same is true of the unlocked Echolife.

PS Just a bit of pure speculation: but as you couldn't get any local addressing without using the recovery firmware, and now speeds are poor (and unless they improve in sharp order, or perhaps a reboot sorts it out) do you think you might have a returns (and possibly faulty) model, which could be swapped or refunded?

If you wanted to compare my VDSL stats just after a reboot they're in the Comparison Stats thread as User 2 on the FritzForum site accessible via Mom'ilc's (vendors) site.

Glenn · Mar 23, 2012, 09:32:23

Mervl, yes the line is on the 80/20 trial.

BT have reported that the max my line supports on 80/20 is 46mb/20 but on 40/10 I was getting around 35/8

Steve · Mar 23, 2012, 09:33:24

Is that IP profile consistent with previous profiles on the OR Modem? My memory thinks it probably is. I agree throughput is poor , have you managed to measure throughput on the LAN side as there's a throttle somewhere?

Glenn · Mar 23, 2012, 09:40:44

Steve, the profile has been up to 37mb recently, but the resets I have done in the past few days and a outage yesterday morning 1 - 5.30 will have pulled the profile down.

Thursday

mervl · Mar 23, 2012, 09:51:24

Quote from: Glenn on Mar 23, 2012, 09:32:23
Mervl, yes the line is on the 80/20 trial.

BT have reported that the max my line supports on 80/20 is 46mb/20 but on 40/10 I was getting around 35/8

I thought this might have something to do with it, if it takes off some line management (power level restriction) and increases the effect of crosstalk, as the noticeable difference with my line is a restriction to 7.2/10 profile on the max. attainable upload compared with your 16 or so attainable. Though I get around 6Mbps speedtest throughput on the upload, similar to you. However your recent 37Mbps profile, rubbishes that one.

I've never had such a poor result with the Fritz! as you're having. Might be worth comparing tone graphs perhaps - though my poor line can't get any above 8.5KHz. EDIT: Outages and 4 resyncs by me in a day haven't had any effect on my profile.