IPv6 Protocol

Steve · Nov 22, 2011, 22:59:00

Sorry we can't offer any more advice, the two of us I know that run dual stack just enabled IPv6 in the router,(7800N) we both use Macs and with NIC setting to auto the IPv6 address is served to the client. No settings were requested from IDNet the only thing that I can add that if you have an LLU connection to IDNet IPv6 that has not been enabled yet. There's some tick boxes on the 7800N one for enable IPv6 along with an input box for requesting the IPv6 address automatically i.e. '::" and one for the IPv6 DHCP server (although I've not worked that function out yet). Your client has to have an IPv6 address for it to be visible as there is no NAT in IPv6 so the router address is irrelevant for TBB tester and IPv6Test.

Reading this http://www.avm.de/en/Extern/files/ipv6/IPv6_Technical_Note_en.pdf

I think you need to set the box to get the IPv4 address first , this is the method the 7800N uses, I think Bill and myself have both failed with the second option

i.e.

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In Which Order Are IPv4 And IPv6 Negotiated?

This depends on the setting in the FRITZ!Box:

In "Always use a native IPv4 connection" mode, a native IPv4 connection is established first. If a 6RD gateway was learned through DHCPv4, a 6RD tunnel is established. Otherwise the device will try to establish a native IPv6 connection (dual stack).

In "Always use a native IPv6 connection" mode, a native IPv6 connection is negotiated first. If an AFTR gateway was obtained via DHCPv6, DS Lite will be used for IPv4. If no AFTR gateway is known, or it was not possible to establish the native IPv6 connection, native IPv4 will be used.

mervl · Nov 23, 2011, 09:28:09

IPv6 has been connected on my Fritzbox since 0912 this morning (Wednesday).

No changes or resyncs since yesterday on my setup, so I wonder if IDNet have done something at their end after my e-mail? Dunno why I've done it though, apart from sheer devilment! edit: yep, Simon's confirmed my account was originally set up without an IPv6 allocation.

Steve: sorry didn't see your post! Thanks for the help: I have your second option "always negotiate IPv6 connection", as I don't appear to have the option to try IPv4 first amongst the IPv6 settings despite what AVM's guidance says. I think Ardua has the same settings as me, hopefully now with the same result. At least I can still reach this page, so there's hope!

Steve · Nov 23, 2011, 10:27:57

I did post late and you confirm that you had no IPv6 address allocation previously which I suppose is a good enough reason for it not to work.

mervl · Nov 23, 2011, 10:36:39

The obvious reason I think Steve (apart from to this idiot who managed to resync the router 16 times yesterday in trying!). An error code 0 = no response is perhaps pretty obvious really, so I blamed the router!!

I think it used to be what techies called Error Code 16 wasn't it: those that occur some 16 inches in front of the hardware?

mervl · Nov 23, 2011, 11:07:10

Quote from: Steve on Nov 22, 2011, 22:59:00
the only thing that I can add that if you have an LLU connection to IDNet IPv6 that has not been enabled yet. .

Ardua, just wondering: does that explain why you can get an address but not, seemingly, the prefix assignment, so no connection?

Ardua · Nov 23, 2011, 11:21:40

Quote from: mervl on Nov 23, 2011, 11:07:10
Ardua, just wondering: does that explain why you can get an address but not, seemingly, the prefix assignment, so no connection?

As I have been with IDNet for over 5 years I suspect given your experience that this is something that Support will have to take a look at. I have just enabled IPv6 using all the Automatic/recommended settings and I have a line in the Log which states ' IPv6 connection established successfully. IP address 2a02 ..........' Unfortunately, the online monitor still says 'No IPv6 connection'.

To help others, and to promote the use of IPv6, perhaps IDNet need to offer some IPv6 on its website (or a sticky here perhaps)? Just a thought.

Whilst I wait for a response I will keep an eye on the Carillion team that has just appeared to install a FTTC cabinet at the top of my road.

mervl · Nov 23, 2011, 11:41:28

Ah, my log shows two lines both of which say IPv6 connection successful:
1. then gives me the IPv6 address
2. the next gives me the IPv6 Prefix (where I had the error saying O, previously).
The homepage button is then lit.

You appear to be lacking the Prefix necessary for connection.
In the settings page a box with details of the connection now appears below the tick box to activate IPv6 (previously it would appear briefly when I clicked Apply and then disappear).

My FTTC cab appeared in April, and the service was available in mid-July (two weeks from the advertised date, and about 6 weeks after the electricity was connected - which is the bugbear). There's a useful response from Philippe on the whirlpool.au UK thread regarding the VDSL/CLI issue (which I haven't tried yet after my forcing resyns yesterday - I'll give the Box a well-earned rest). If you don't get any problem I'd be interested since it'd then be a PTSN line quality issue.

Ardua · Nov 23, 2011, 14:07:07

Thanks Mervl. Thanks to Simon at IDNet I, too, now have IPv6 connection with all the router settings set at recommended. Not sure what difference it makes, but at least the Fritz!Box is performing as the makers intended. Rik - I still think that it would be helpful to other IPv6 adopters if there was a sticky advising IDNet customers to contact Support requesting IPv6 allocations.

Steve · Nov 23, 2011, 15:17:36

Re IPv6 allocations sticky this would be contrary to the current advice and past experience i.e.

http://www.idnet.net/news/article.jsp?id=84

I think if the above is not the case and we need to discover why the two of you had no allocation, then yes it should be done.

mervl · Nov 23, 2011, 16:55:25

I know it's a big bother, but how about a guide on the IDNet pages to IPv6 and what IDNet offer, which will surely become increasingly a good selling point for the service (and good PR)? It could explain that although router setus ups are different - and the first thing is to follow your router guides, if having done so you find you can't get an address and prefix, to contact support to check IPv6 allocations are available on your service?

Steve · Nov 23, 2011, 16:58:43

I think if enough interest is shown we could probably write a sticky guide and pull all the IPv6 posts together.

Rik · Nov 23, 2011, 17:02:36

Quote from: mervl on Nov 23, 2011, 16:55:25
I know it's a big bother, but how about a guide on the IDNet pages to IPv6 and what IDNet offer

I've passed on your suggestion.

Ardua · Nov 23, 2011, 17:07:58

Quote from: Steve on Nov 23, 2011, 16:58:43
I think if enough interest is shown we could probably write a sticky guide and pull all the IPv6 posts together.

As more and more routers come out with IPv6 compatibility, then people will want to fiddle. Not everyone who posts here, myself included, has a detailed knowledge of the subject. When I asked my daughter about IPv6 (and she has a degree in Computer Science) her answer was 'I will have to ask our IT technicians'!

As an aside, when I run the various IPv6 tests they all come up Green. However, when I try to load the TBB IPv6 test page it comes up with an IPv4 connection. Selecting IP6 Native in my router settings changes nothing. Aussie forums suggest that this is a dual-stack related issue. IPv6 only websites load normally.

Steve · Nov 23, 2011, 17:18:22

Bill may know the TBB answer but it sounds to me like your browser is connecting to TBB via IPv4 (most browser these days will try IPv6 first on an IPv6 enabled connection)

Can you try http://ipv6.thinkbroadband.com/ and see if that works?

Ardua · Nov 23, 2011, 18:14:40

Quote from: Steve on Nov 23, 2011, 17:18:22
Bill may know the TBB answer but it sounds to me like your browser is connecting to TBB via IPv4 (most browser these days will try IPv6 first on an IPv6 enabled connection)

Can you try http://ipv6.thinkbroadband.com/ and see if that works?

Steve

The link works fine. There is a suggestion at Whirlpool that this is not a router issue. The 'problem' - if there is one - is within Mac OSX Lion. See the comments from Simon Hackett at:

whrl.pl/RcZ0zX

Edit: If I then click the IPv6 box on the page it then shows that I am connected via IPv6.

2nd Edit: I have just 'Googled' TBB on an IPad and clicked the IPv6 box and it shows an IPv6 connection. It would appear that IOS5 operates differently from Mac OSX Lion.

Steve · Nov 23, 2011, 19:01:57

It's certainly not that simple anymore especially if the OS is going to decide what's best for you. I guess that's a good thing as there's no point waiting for a page to load if there's a quicker alternative. It's seems Lion will also cache data and decide whether IPv4 or IPv6 is best for you.

http://lists.apple.com/archives/Ipv6-dev/2011/Jul/msg00009.html