OS X Mountain Lion

pctech · Apr 02, 2012, 17:22:54

The only reason Macs haven't needed AV up to now is because they weren't popular enough to be targeted, now they are I predict you'll end up in the same situation as Windows in 2 to 3 years.

TheMonkey · Apr 03, 2012, 09:21:54

Not quite true.

Currently NO OSX Viruses exisist in the wild and never have done in the 10 years of OSX.

Trojans and Malware on the other hand is different but that can be avoided with safe computing.

Technical Ben · Apr 03, 2012, 23:43:04

That's the problem of the PC producers though. No ones put the effort in to make one as good as Apple does. They slap it in a box, and hope to charge you for "service assistance". That's why PCs are cheap, service is expensive. Whereas Apple is expensive, service is not required.

Well, except us "build your own PC" people.

We decided to go do what Apple is doing, but for ourselves.

(All to their own.)

lozcart · Jul 24, 2012, 21:44:41

Mountain Lion will be avaliable to download from the app store from tomorrow.

Steve · Jul 24, 2012, 22:14:06

Thanks , I'll be waiting.

Gary · Jul 24, 2012, 23:06:40

Quote from: Steve on Jul 24, 2012, 22:14:06
Thanks , I'll be waiting.

I'll be waiting too, the is always a cluster*@%k on new releases, I sahll sit and wait, if nothing else for the servers to ease off as it will be a nightmare. Also I will let others beta test the update so to speak

Ardua · Jul 25, 2012, 08:33:08

Quote from: Technical Ben on Apr 03, 2012, 23:43:04

Whereas Apple is expensive, service is not required.

Not entirely true. I have a 5 year old MacBook Pro that suffered a video card failure last year. NVidia had admitted that there was a problem with the cards and Apple agreed to replace any cards for free that failed within 4 years of purchase. My machine had reached 4 1/2 years when I lost all video but rather than just say 'tough luck' Apple said 'OK', and they repaired my laptop for free. The repair cost to me would have been close to a £900.

pctech · Jul 25, 2012, 11:12:37

Even Apple have removed the claim that they are virus resistant, as they were previously a niche platform noone bothered writing viruses or malware for them.

lozcart · Jul 25, 2012, 12:59:01

Quote from: pctech on Jul 25, 2012, 11:12:37
Even Apple have removed the claim that they are virus resistant, as they were previously a niche platform noone bothered writing viruses or malware for them.

and the relevance to Mountain Lion coming out is?

Gary · Jul 25, 2012, 14:31:44

Quote from: pctech on Jul 25, 2012, 11:12:37
Even Apple have removed the claim that they are virus resistant, as they were previously a niche platform noone bothered writing viruses or malware for them.

No relevance at all, just more of the same as usual

Technical Ben · Jul 25, 2012, 16:21:49

Quote from: lozcart on Jul 25, 2012, 12:59:01
and the relevance to Mountain Lion coming out is?

I think that's the news sites fault. They are announcing the new OS alongside a new Trojan/malware problem.

But not to worry, they are slinging equal amounts of Mud at Windows 8 too! I'd jump over to OSX if I could install it on my AMD system (For £30 who wouldn't?). But without the software to go along with it, I may as well plunge into the deep end and go Linux if I need a replacement to this system.

It's nice to see Apple at least keep things workable, while trying to make money. MS seem to have just gone crazy with their OS updates.

Gary · Jul 25, 2012, 16:25:00

Quote from: Technical Ben on Jul 25, 2012, 16:21:49
I think that's the news sites fault. They are announcing the new OS alongside a new Trojan/malware problem.
But not to worry, they are slinging equal amounts of Mud at Windows 8 too! I'd jump over to OSX if I could install it on my AMD system (For £30 who wouldn't?).

It's nice to see Apple at least keep things workable, while trying to make money. MS seem to have just gone crazy with their OS updates.

£13.99

and on as many Macs as you like

Steve · Jul 25, 2012, 17:58:50

Decided to download hopefully down within the hour @2mb/sec.

Gary · Jul 25, 2012, 18:01:41

Quote from: Steve on Jul 25, 2012, 17:58:50
Decided to download hopefully down within the hour @2mb/sec.

I'm waiting till tomorrow, or i'll get up early, some peeps in the states on fastlines are looking at 14 hours at 2.5mb/sec

the download keeps stop starting

Steve · Jul 25, 2012, 18:05:52

It's still chugging along 35 mins left, I shan't install tonight - no time.

http://reviews.cnet.com/8301-13727_7-57479690-263/how-to-create-an-os-x-10.8-mountain-lion-install-drive/

Simon · Jul 25, 2012, 19:23:34

So, forgive my ignorance, but are these full OS upgrades, like from Windows 7 to Windows 8, and you can just download and apply them to an existing OS?

Steve · Jul 25, 2012, 20:24:31

I think that's difficult to argue, Apple will argue it's a new OS, although as they upgrade their OS fairly frequently (but less so than a Linux distro). The process is completely different from Windows , in which the upgrades are infrequent so the ultimate result is much more of a dramatic change in appearance and function.

Recent Apple OS upgrades can all be applied successfully over the existing OS (again similar to Linux distros) and also as a fresh install, which differs from a Windows service pack which needs a base OS to install over.

I think with any Linux or Unix distro the frequency of OS updates allows a gradual evolution to occur for which in itself can be annoyance as the previous OS eventually lose support for new software.

As I understand it XP will still run up to date software which you good argue is an advantage but also it's achilles heel.

PS typed on Safari 6 OS X Mountain Lion following a visit to the pub whilst it upgraded.

Simon · Jul 25, 2012, 21:49:47

Another difference from Windows service packs being, you don't have to pay for those. I was just trying to work out whether the charge for Mountain Lion is comparable to paying for a new Windows OS, in that the Apple OSs are cheaper, but seem to come along more frequently. Once you've paid for a Windows OS, there's no further expenditure involved in it's upkeep, until a full new upgrade comes along.

Gary · Jul 25, 2012, 22:26:14

Installed tonight and its way faster than Lion for a start, I have to say I am most impressed so far

And now I'm typing using voice dictation hands off no keypad and it seems to work really well

Stevescat · Jul 25, 2012, 22:53:48

Didn't expect the 4.3Gb installation file to download so quick. Went for an hour's walk and bingo, ready to install

Absolutely loving Safari at the moment, super quick and smooth. Swiping forwards and backwards is a joy.

I know, should get out more!

Gary · Jul 25, 2012, 23:30:31

I know, me too. I have to admit so far this makes Lion look...well awful.

Gary · Jul 25, 2012, 23:39:16

Quote from: Simon on Jul 25, 2012, 19:23:34
So, forgive my ignorance, but are these full OS upgrades, like from Windows 7 to Windows 8, and you can just download and apply them to an existing OS?

I would say each update ie 10.8.1/10.8.2 etc is a service pack, going form 10.7 to 10.8 is a new os and at £13.99 its cheap.

Steve · Jul 26, 2012, 07:18:04

I think it's a bloody nuisance that Apple have got rid of rss feeds in Safari 6, nevermind we'll adapt or use FF.

Gary · Jul 26, 2012, 08:12:07

Quote from: Steve on Jul 26, 2012, 07:18:04
I think it's a bloody nuisance that Apple have got rid of rss feeds in Safari 6, nevermind we'll adapt or use FF.

I use FF anyway, must admit not keen on Safari 6 even though its really fast, but FF 14.0.1 seems to fly now as well, not sure if the code in 10.8 is updated top take advantage of hyperthreading more.

Steve · Jul 26, 2012, 08:25:44

If you want your Growl notifications to appear in the Notification Centre this beta program seems to work. http://collect3.com.au/hiss/

I use growl for the odd thing, mainly to see which graphic card I'm currently using.