new macs

[Baz]

now i'm not up on these things but did I see some where that the new Macs have memory soldered to the M/B   and screws with their own special shape slot, not a slot head or cross head/pozidrive or torx bit but a special design to stop people taking it apart.



and they are £1800 ish 

[pctech]

Wouldn't surprise me.

They have to justify the price tag for what is now essentially an Intel PC with heavily customised BIOS firmware.

Yep I'll get accused of being anti Apple but it isn't exactly a computer enthusiast's machine anymore which is lets not forget how the two Steves started out, or rather Woz did, Jobs was just the business/salesman.

He even tried to take credit for Jonathon Ive's designs.

The machines are very nice but the company sucks.

[Gary]

The machines are very nice but the company sucks.

I take it have not had the benefit of their customer service and since you don't own any Apple products why are you posting such contrived dislike? The computers are not and never have really been hobbyist machines, so your statement really is just reactionary as I see it. This board is for posting about Macs, not starting flame wars.

[Najarak]

Baz,

Which Macs are you referring to? I have a recent iMac and a MacBook Pro, both of them include instructions for changing the memory by the user. I have not done it on the laptop, but have changed the memory on the iMac, simplicity itself, although slightly nerve wracking.

Replacing the memory with Crucial's modules was about £400 cheaper than buying the iMac from Apple with 16GB of memory.

[Gary]

New Mac book Pros with the retina screens have ram soldiered in them. http://www.gev.com/2012/06/ifixit-says-that-retina-macbook-pro-is-the-least-repairable-notebook/ 

"Keep in mind that this device actually can't be upgraded once you acquire it. Like the MacBook Air, MacBook Pro's memory is fused to the logic board, eradicating the possibility of a RAM upgrade later"

[Simon]

Wouldn't surprise me.

They have to justify the price tag for what is now essentially an Intel PC with heavily customised BIOS firmware.

Yep I'll get accused of being anti Apple but it isn't exactly a computer enthusiast's machine anymore which is lets not forget how the two Steves started out, or rather Woz did, Jobs was just the business/salesman.

He even tried to take credit for Jonathon Ive's designs.

The machines are very nice but the company sucks.

I take it have not had the benefit of their customer service and since you don't own any Apple products why are you posting such contrived dislike? The computers are not and never have really been hobbyist machines, so your statement really is just reactionary as I see it. This board is for posting about Macs, not starting flame wars.

Have to agree with Gary, Mitch - there doesn't seem to be any reason for your post, other than to have yet another pop at Apple.  This really is getting rather tiresome.   

[Baz]

like Gary says   


those ones 

[Baz]

aww come on guys    I didnt mean to start any thing just pointing something out.

people are allowed their opinion surely whether good or bad.

[pctech]

I take it have not had the benefit of their customer service and since you don't own any Apple products why are you posting such contrived dislike? The computers are not and never have really been hobbyist machines, so your statement really is just reactionary as I see it. This board is for posting about Macs, not starting flame wars.

Errrr, incorrect on both counts


Feel free to remove the post, anyone who posts a criticism of Apple here seems to get shot down.

I'm for giving the user control, after all, its their money.

Think I'll go in search of some unbiased debate.

[Simon]

Mitch, you're probably the most biased person here, regarding Apple products! 

Let's not fall out, but the purpose of the separate Apple board was to avoid platform wars. 

[Rik]

Plus the reviews I've seen of Windows 8 suggest that:

Yep I'll get accused of being anti Apple but it isn't exactly a computer enthusiast's machine anymore which is lets not forget how the two Steves started out, or rather Woz did, Jobs was just the business salesman.

Will soon apply to Microsoft too.

http://www.itpro.co.uk/641209/microsoft-users-struggle-with-windows-redesign?utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=itpro_newsletter

[Tacitus]

Plus the reviews I've seen of Windows 8 suggest that:
Will soon apply to Microsoft too.
http://www.itpro.co.uk/641209/microsoft-users-struggle-with-windows-redesign?utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=itpro_newsletter

I agree, it's hilarious watching the Apple haters fall over themselves to praise MS copy of the iPad, having proclaimed the Apple version to be a waste of time since you can't upgrade it.  Still, apparently the Surface has several USB ports, probably a parallel port as well and, I doubt it will be significantly cheaper than the equivalent iPad unless MS subsidises it to gain market share.

Actually I doubt the Surface is aimed at consumers - it's more about protecting MS corporate market in the age of BYOD.

Charles Arthur has an interesting piece in the Guardian this morning.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2012/jun/19/microsoft-surface-software-giant-apple

[Rik]

"With great respect to Apple, there's no way anything gets to critical mass with Apple, because Apple just doesn't have the volumes."

Famous last words. 

I'm a recent convert, Sue bought me an iPad 2 to help me stay online while I was ill, we found we were queuing up to use it, so I bought me an iPad 3. Undoubtedly, there are some things they don't do well, or easily. But 80% plus of my needs are now met by the pads.

[Simon]

Is the 3 much of an improvement over the 2?  It doesn't seem to spell any better. 

[Rik]

That it doesn't.  The camera is massively improved, the screen is noticeably better. If you don't need the camera, buy the 2 and save money or add memory.

[Simon]

I don't really need either.  I can't see that I would use one at home much, and wouldn't want to carry one around either.

[Rik]

I think you would quickly find you did use one at home quite a lot. I certainly do, Sue rarely turns on a computer and I believe I'm right in saying that Steve uses his pad for much of the time.

[Simon]

I think I would use it as much as I currently use my phone, which, admittedly, is quite a bit, but the iPad would merely replace it.  I can't see that I have the need for two similar devices.   

[Rik]

Ageing eyes? 

[Tacitus]

I could see the 3 being used in Hospitals for viewing x-rays or scans of various sorts.  In fact I sat next to a surgeon on the train to Leeds who was doing just that. 

I'm wondering whether to get one to replace my ageing MacBook.  Pair it with a keyboard, preferably one of those folding ones you used to get for the Palm and I reckon I could do 80% of my stuff with one. 

The alternative is another MacBook, probably an Air since I'm getting a bit old for carting stuff around.  Much as I like the 15" Retina display I really couldn't justify the price even with Higher Ed discount, although the weight is much the same as the 13"

[Lance]

The only time I tend to use my laptop these days is for working with photographs or for extended typing. Most other things I can do on my ipad or if there is the rare occasion to use a webpage insisting on using flash, I use vnc to connect to my server and view it through that.

If I got a keyboard for the extended typing and didn't work on photographs I wouldn't need a laptop/desktop at all.

[Tacitus]

Anybody interested in the new Surface should watch this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aSj8GUZDuac

Brutal....   

[Gary]

Anybody interested in the new Surface should watch this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aSj8GUZDuac

Brutal....   

 

[Bill]

Anybody interested in the new Surface...

... should pay heed to Wolfgang Pauli:

... surfaces were invented by the devil

[Tacitus]

... should pay heed to Wolfgang Pauli:
... surfaces were invented by the devil

And Gates is his familiar?