New caps but are they good enough for me not to jump ship?

[kerrso05]

Quote from: Simon_idnet on Jun 06, 2012, 17:15:24

    Hi Harry

    We'll certianly look at it again after the Olympics and maybe Euro2012.

    I doubt that we'll change the hours though as they are specifically designed to ensure that gamers and evening SSH workers etc are not swamped by streaming and it also allows us to offer competition-beating, practically unlimited overnight allowances for those who are able to schedule their downloads.

    BT have hinted that wholesale price changes mught be afoot for later in the summer - that would certainly let us  increase the allowances.

Ardua

The new FTTC  Pro package will work well for me but yesterday's announcement has prompted me to look at what IDNet's competitors are now offering. One of the Which-recommended providers could provide me with 250GB Peak/Unlimited Off Peak, telephone rental and anytime calls for about £13 per month less than I am paying at the moment. I do not need 250GB but the cost differential is not insignificant. I just wonder, looking at Simon's comments above, why IDNet has now done away with the Off Peak bandwidth element?  If I recall, this forum started with a simple request which was 'could the Off Peak start time be earlier in the evening' as per some other ISPs? I am not sure how the package changes sit with Simon's comments re swamping gamers and SSH workers?

Rik has closed my previous Thread on this (I totally understand why and agree with him that he should close it) but I still think there is still some unanswered questions so that is why I have continued on from the last statement that Ardua made

Ardua, I'm interested in the Which recommended Provider that you are talking about....who are they?

Overnight I have been able to reflect on the new Caps and from were I am sitting it looks like it hasn't increased all that much. My previous plan was 30 Gbs download at peak and 60 at off-Peak so a total of 90Gbs and now it has increased to 100gbs............10 Gbs is not much of a change and it has gone up in price

[Rik]

Overnight I have been able to reflect on the new Caps and from were I am sitting it looks like it hasn't increased all that much. My previous plan was 30 Gbs download at peak and 60 at off-Peak so a total of 90Gbs and now it has increased to 100gbs............10 Gbs is not much of a change and it has gone up in price

A price increase is inevitable to enable IDNet to deliver the same service 24/7, they need to buy more capacity to do it, and they don't have as strong a bargaining position as the larger ISPs. What's right for you is now something you'll have to decide Harry.

[Glenn]

Overnight I have been able to reflect on the new Caps and from were I am sitting it looks like it hasn't increased all that much. My previous plan was 30 Gbs download at peak and 60 at off-Peak so a total of 90Gbs and now it has increased to 100gbs............10 Gbs is not much of a change and it has gone up in price

It's a rise in the cap of around 11 - 12%, but you can use it whenever you like, so you don't have to stay up until after to do things in the 'off peak' period.

How much of the 90Gb are you actually using at the moment, and what extra bandwidth usage charges are you paying?

If you can afford to pay annually, there is a one month discount, that brings the average across 12 months down from £35.40 - £32.45.

[Simon]

Just to add, can we please not have advertising for other ISPs on IDNet's forum.  I am sure the Which? article that Ardua referred to is available online.

[kerrso05]

Glen you were asking how much do I use:-


Month    Charge Period    Download (GB)    Upload (GB)    Total (GB)

January 2012    Overall    99.06              34.96            134.02
February 2012    Overall    80.26              65.91            146.17
March 2012    Overall    72.69              25.82             98.51
April 2012            Overall    88.22              40.99             129.21
May 2012             Overall    115.36              21.90             137.26
June 2012            Overall    113.95              19.20             133.15
July 2012            Overall    77.97              20.01              97.98
August 2012    Overall    126.28              37.26             163.54
September 2012    Overall    96.69              28.71             125.40

So as you can see I am crashing through the barrier nearly every month.........in fact if it was the new tariff I would have to pay an extra £14 to a whooping £26 for August extra a month

[Glenn]

Harry, you look to be on the same position ans psp83 100 is not enough, but 200 is too much at present.

[Ardua]

Just to add, can we please not have advertising for other ISPs on IDNet's forum.  I am sure the Which? article that Ardua referred to is available online.

The information is readily available via Google or via a £1 subscription to Which.

Quote IDNet's Forum Unquote   Has something changed?

Quote        Please note that IDNetters, the forum, and IDNet, the company, are not one and the same.  The forum is run by a group of volunteers, who are also IDNet customers.  Unquote

Time to start the car!!

[pctech]

What Simon says is a standard restriction on most ISPs' forums.

The domain is registered to the company and the hosting is provided by the company, that means that it's IDNet's forum.

[Ardua]

What Simon says is a standard restriction on most ISPs' forums.

Perhaps the rules/restrictions need updating as I can see no standard restriction and such discussion has not been verboten in the past. Let's leave it there.

My point was that Simon has for some reason decided to drop peak/0ff peak which was a 'no no' a few months ago. Personally, the changes suit me but I can see why they might not suit some of IDNet's heavy users. That said, having looked around the web, it would indeed seem that IDNet is narrowing its target customer base. This, of course, is a business decision for them.

[Niall]

Odd how it's suddenly being enforced. We've talked about other providers on here for years. Why are people getting their panties in a bunch all of a sudden? Anyone that has any common sense does their own research anyway, so a couple of comments isn't likely to destroy the company. If the IDnet packages are competitive and supply packages people want, it makes no difference. Actively promoting another ISP would be out of order, but mentioning them should be fine, or doesn't freedom of speech apply on these forums?

[andrue]

or doesn't freedom of speech apply on these forums?

No reason it should. 'Freedom of speech' only ever applies between a government and its citizens. Within the boundary of private space it's irrelevant. The owners/operators of this forum can apply whatever restrictions or censorship they wish.

But having pointed that out I will say that it makes me a bit sad to hear it being used in that way. It does IDNet more harm than good in my opinion (censorship often does). It's another example of why I personally don't feel 'part of the family' the way I did (and still do) with my previous ISP.

[Niall]

Yes, telling people they can't openly talk about comparable products as examples is overly harsh in my opinion. You can hardly make an intellectual argument for something if you have to be seen saying things like "I know of a company that does x for x amount and would like to know if IDnet will". "Prove it" will be the reply. "Sorry, I'm not allowed to or I'll get banned".

As I mentioned, if I was to pop up on here saying buy virgin cable instead of IDnet cable (and yes I can say this as IDnet don't do cable), IDnet are rubbish, then yes it's not on. You should not be told not to mention companies. Censorship implies a company may have problems and are worried about losing customers.

Also, regarding the hosting, if this is run by volunteers why is it an issue? Yes IDnet provide the hosting, but if IDnet are now telling moderators/admins to tell the people to stop posting certain things, then stick up a paypal link and have your own hosting for the forums. Problem solved.

[Gary]

Same attitude on other ISP Forums, Mitch got a verbal for mentioning another ISP on Xilo's I think, each ISP does not want to openly advertise away from thier own packages, makes sense as I see it, if you want to talk about it do it in pm maybe. As to the new Packages the 100GB suits my needs with no peak off peak for now. Telephone packages I'll monitor as there may be better deals elsewhere.

[pctech]

Business is business I suppose.

I just left an ISP I'd been loyal to for over two years and they'd decided to reroute my connection which increased latency.

I asked them to put it back and they said at first they could and then they couldn't as it would require moving all customer connections on the exchange which was too much work for them but maybe done in the future.

So therefore I requested my MAC

My point is, if a company's product no longer suit your needs shop around and move.

[Gary]

One thing I have noticed is that my RSS feed is still peak off peak, anyone got an idea when that will be updated to just show how much you use period, if you are on a new package?

[Niall]

Same attitude on other ISP Forums,

Maybe, but it's never been the case here

[mervl]

One thing I have noticed is that my RSS feed is still peak off peak, anyone got an idea when that will be updated to just show how much you use period, if you are on a new package?

But if it's the same RSS feed for everybody might it not be helpful to those on old packages to have the breakdown? (I know your answer). Is the maths so difficult? EDIT: I have to say I fully expect IDNet to lose the breakdown so the dinosaurs have to work in the dark to guess our peak/off-peak breakdown as our punishment for reducing their profitability.

[kerrso05]

Harry, you look to be on the same position ans psp83 100 is not enough, but 200 is too much at present.

Yes Glen I do appear to be in the same position as psp83.....I'ts just a pity there wasn't a 150Gb tariff but there isn't.

As for the other debate that is going on in this thread about mentioning other Internet Providers.......I have never seen that restriction ever before....that must be a new restriction because on the last thread I started.................loads of people were mentioning other providers and their products and nothing was done about it. I don't think it is advertising if you mention other providers because most of the threads mention......BT....they are a Provider.

Surely Idnet are confident enough in their product to stand up against other products from other Providers

Ardue I have googled that provider and I can't find it ...........so without saying their name can you hint at them? Simon is that alright....hinting at names............eg I**et   

[andrue]

Don't mention other providers. I did once but I think I got away with it.

[psp83]

Yes Glen I do appear to be in the same position as psp83.....I'ts just a pity there wasn't a 150Gb tariff but there isn't.

As for the other debate that is going on in this thread about mentioning other Internet Providers.......I have never seen that restriction ever before....that must be a new restriction because on the last thread I started.................loads of people were mentioning other providers and their products and nothing was done about it. I don't think it is advertising if you mention other providers because most of the threads mention......BT....they are a Provider.

Surely Idnet are confident enough in their product to stand up against other products from other Providers

Ardue I have googled that provider and I can't find it ...........so without saying their name can you hint at them? Simon is that alright....hinting at names............eg I**et   

Why not do it by PM ?

I'm sure your be fine on Tiscali   

[Steve]

I'll be blunt- we have not been informed by IDNet to censor out threads with regard to comments concerning other ISPs, we are happy and always have been happy to allow the discussion of other ISPs within the context of a thread but will of course not tolerate blatant advertisement of another ISP.

Personally I would prefer this ISP to be named why should I have to trawl around google and Which  to guess which one.  Obviously I'm not going to help Harry find another ISP on here either.

[kerrso05]

Why not do it by PM ?

I'm sure your be fine on Tiscali   

I suppose we could but what's happened to freedom of expression?

What's this about Tis ca li    what are you doing? tempting fate and I wouldn't go near them with a ten foot pole

[Ardua]

@kerrso05

Take a look at

http://forums.thinkbroadband.com/idnet/4164658-new-packages-from-idnet.html#Post4164658

4th post down

Edit: I should add that I have no personal knowledge of this ISP or the poster. I believe that their packages were increased in August.

[kerrso05]

I'll be blunt- we have not been informed by IDNet to censor out threads with regard to comments concerning other ISPs, we are happy and always have been happy to allow the discussion of other ISPs within the context of a thread but will of course not tolerate blatant advertisement of another ISP.

Personally I would prefer this ISP to be named why should I have to trawl around google and Which  to guess which one.

Exactly........so were has Simon got this restriction from?..........did he make it up?......and anyway I don't want anyone to advertise any provider other than Idnet........that is just being rude

[mervl]

Thanks Steve for the commonsense. I was about to suggest we should remane the forum . . . IDNutters. 

[kerrso05]

Ardua.....Oh dear.......is that who it is??

I used to be with them, "THE WORST INTERNET PROVIDER IN THE WORLD"

seriously they were awful I stuck with them for a couple of months. I got no speed and most of the time I was with them I could hardly go on the internet and when I did they Traffic Shaped......but they swore blind they didn't and as soon as I changed the speed came back...........no never ever again.......I couldn't take the risk.

"I think he doesn't like them".....you would never guess 

[psp83]

Don't pick on Simon everyone! 

Most likely a spur of the moment thing, a brain fart! 

I personally don't get the don't talk about X on X property.

I've never been thrown out of Tesco's because I talked about Sainsbury's while shopping

[psp83]

I joined IDnet from Tiscali over 5 yrs ago and not looked back once, well maybe once just to say FU! 

[Ardua]

Ardua.....Oh dear.......is that who it is??

I used to be with them, "THE WORST INTERNET PROVIDER IN THE WORLD"

seriously they were awful I stuck with them for a couple of months. I got no speed and most of the time I was with them I could hardly go on the internet and when I did they Traffic Shaped......but they swore blind they didn't and as soon as I changed the speed came back...........no never ever again.......I couldn't take the risk.

"I think he doesn't like them".....you would never guess 

I wasn't recommending them!!! The poster clearly rates them and, like you, he has experience of both ISPs.

[kerrso05]

I'm beginning to think it is better to stay with the tariff I have than the new Tariff. I think that because you have no restriction with Peak and off-peak then I probably would break the barrier every month but substantially.
Maybe it is better to stay with the Devil  you know than the Devil  you don't know

[kerrso05]

Ardua..........No, I didn't think you were recommending them.......anyone with a bit of sense would never recommend them

[mervl]

Without mentioning names, it's horses for courses. We've been told that IDNet don't consciously throttle or traffic shape and try to maintain the best upstream network with redundancy etc. Others do throttle at least some uses, or restrict speeds usually at times for different uses - and increasingly are even explicit with their policies. As caps differ. If, as in my case, I'm a single householder and use only one item of computer equipment at a time, then apart from caps (and possibly throttling) the rest is pretty well irrelevant, but for others it's not the same.

It does look to me, from the pricing and the way the website is set up and described, as though IDNet want to more or less actively discourage consumer use, but I'm sure they won't turn good money down. I think us consumers who stay on legacy packages are living on borrowed time, but if the new packages suit then . . . no problem.

[zappaDPJ]

I think a lot depends on what you want from an Internet connection. I for example need low latency, maximum uptime, fast upstream and if possible a reasonable amount of bandwidth which is akin to asking for the moon on stick. IDNet provide me with almost all of that but my bandwidth usage is very tight and I'm often forced to stay up half the night to get the most of out of off-peak hours. The new packages might give me scope to adjust my hours but I'd probably have to move to a higher tariff.

[Technical Ben]

Harry, you look to be on the same position ans psp83 100 is not enough, but 200 is too much at present.

Give it another 6 months and HD content could see that 200GB as a life line! 
PS, also for not playing any PC games online for about 12 months or more (except the occasional casual play ) I found one over last weekend that's caught my eye. So I'll benefit from the low latency that IDNet provide for certain.

[Gary]

But if it's the same RSS feed for everybody might it not be helpful to those on old packages to have the breakdown? (I know your answer). Is the maths so difficult? EDIT: I have to say I fully expect IDNet to lose the breakdown so the dinosaurs have to work in the dark to guess our peak/off-peak breakdown as our punishment for reducing their profitability.

Thanks for the polite 'dig' mervl! The maths gets confusing simply because of my memory issues on the medication I am on. I forget information in seconds short term sadly, my wife and carers help me with that, looking up and seeing a bunch of off peak and peak is cluttered for me, that simple, I just thought IDNet might provide two rss feeds one for new tariffs, one for those who use the old tariffs, no need for the attitude. 

[Gary]

Maybe, but it's never been the case here

Its always been the case not to promote other providers, Rik, and other admins in the past would politely ask you not to go on about 'other ISP's' if you compared them with IDNet to much.

[Bill]

Something odd going on?

I always get three messages on my RSS feed (I use Mac Mail as my client)- one each for peak and off-peak giving the up- and downloads, and a third with the subject "Current Usage" and the date period that seems to give exactly what you want (just ignore the bits in parentheses), eg:

Current Usage

During the time period 2012-10-01 to 2012-10-06 your bandwidth use was:

1.85 GB Download - (Peak: 1.41 GB | Off-Peak: 0.44 GB)

0.64 GB Upload - (Peak: 0.43 GB | Off-Peak: 0.21 GB)


These figures cover 5 days. If your previous 7 days rate of usage continues for 31 days then the total for the month will be:

8.87 GB Download - (Peak: 6.75 GB | Off-Peak: 2.12 GB)

3.14 GB Upload - (Peak: 2.12 GB | Off-Peak: 1.02 GB)


* Peak times are 9:00am to midnight - Off-Peak times are midnight to 9:00am

* Bandwidth allowance is calculated from the 1st day of the month i.e. the allowance covers the calendar month rather than your 'Billing' month (Billing Month being 30 days from the date that you pay for your subscription).

[Ardua]

IMHO, it would mighty odd to someone joining IDNet today to see usage expressed in terms of 'peak' and 'off peak'. IDNet has carefully avoided any mention of legacy packages on its new website to avoid confusion. I confess that I do not use RSS feeds and when I need it I get usage information from my account.

[Rik]

Also, regarding the hosting, if this is run by volunteers why is it an issue? Yes IDnet provide the hosting, but if IDnet are now telling moderators/admins to tell the people to stop posting certain things, then stick up a paypal link and have your own hosting for the forums. Problem solved.

Niall, usage of the forum has dropped by 80% over the past year or so, I doubt we could raise enough money from subs to pay for hosting unless the sub was quite high and compulsory.

[Ardua]

Niall, usage of the forum has dropped by 80% over the past year or so, I doubt we could raise enough money from subs to pay for hosting unless the sub was quite high and compulsory.

Interesting.  I wonder whether this is to do with the roll-out of FTTC which has brought with it greater stability and, consequently, less support-related issues? You only have to look at TBB to see how quiet many of the ISP forums are. Indeed, most of the posts relate to FTTC roll-out (or in many areas the lack of FTTC roll-out). It would be a pity to see IDNetters whither on the vine.

[Rik]

It would, but the withering has been more on the social side than the technical. In my opinion, the community has dissipated to a great extent. It's not just us, most forums are seeing a drop, perhaps social media has taken over?

[Ardua]

It would, but the withering has been more on the social side than the technical. In my opinion, the community has dissipated to a great extent. It's not just us, most forums are seeing a drop, perhaps social media has taken over?

Mea culpa - my brain cells are clearly withering away. Our wider family cannot understand why we do not tweet or use Facebook. They should have been here last week when my wife and I were discussing what sort of mobile phone she needed to have as her much-loved mobile phone had finally come to grief after 5 years of intermittent use. After a lengthy discussion, the requirement came down to 2 things: it must be capable of being used as a phone with texting as a bonus!  Decision made. The phone arrived yesterday and I am now poorer to the tune of £5.75. The new phone works a treat.

[Rik]

That's two of us who don't. I do have a Facebook account, but that's only to pick up Donald Russell specials.

[Glenn]

I don't have a Facebook account, several friends have closed there's recently. Yet 1 in 7 of the world population now has an account, according to Facebook.

[mervl]

Thanks for the polite 'dig' mervl! ... no need for the attitude. 

My apologies. That sort of problem with memory must make life horrible, so yep you need life made easier rather than me! I can get a breakdown through TBB meter anyway, I'd forgot!

[andrue]

It would, but the withering has been more on the social side than the technical. In my opinion, the community has dissipated to a great extent. It's not just us, most forums are seeing a drop, perhaps social media has taken over?

I agree. A lot of forums have seen a drop in use over the past year or so. I think technical ones have suffered more though - as noted TBB seems to have become a lot quieter.

The only one that seems to be bucking the trend are the Digital Spy forums. That's probably because of the main site's 'gossip column' side and media tie ins to things like Big Brother. The technical forums are fairly quiet but there's a lot of others that are heaving. I think someone last month said that DS had over half a million members now.

I mainly visit the Sky forums and General Discussion. The latter is dafter than a bucket full of squirrels but entertaining

Oh and I don't have a Facepalm or Twit account either

[Niall]

Its always been the case not to promote other providers, Rik, and other admins in the past would politely ask you not to go on about 'other ISP's' if you compared them with IDNet to much.

Yes, not to promote others is fine as I mentioned once or twice. It's harsh when it's telling people not even to mention others. The information is available with the most simplistic search terms possible so telling people not to even mention them comes across as overly restrictive. Start enforcing that and you'll see an increase to the 80% drop off. Freedom to speak and compare things is one of the areas that made these forums popular, that and the fun they have on the boards. A lot of the people that posted on here that actually moved to other ISPs don't post here now which you can understand. That being said, if they're starting to enforce even uttering the name of other ISPs it makes you wonder if the reason the forums are quiet is because they've haemorrhaged customers and are worried they'll lose more.

Oh and a lot of customers when I started posting here were gamers, and I've seen the trends come and go time and time again. After a few years, the gamers generally drift off and post less, as believe it or not they move on with their lives I used to admin Jolt servers and forums and you'd see well known people totally vanish after a couple of years, then come back but only view boards, then stop coming all together.  Also if they have no reason to use a specific board anymore, then you'll not see them for dust. Stop having problems, or stop playing a game or doing whatever the boards cover and again, they'll go away. Big drop offs are either people with perfect lines for what they use them for so don't need to post, or they left so don't need to post.

Now obviously I don't know this for a fact, but there were a lot of gamers mentioning issues a while ago and you haven't heard from them since, so I wonder if they up and left to another ISP. Normally gamer types are the ones you'll see on forums.

[Simon]

Just to add, can we please not have advertising for other ISPs on IDNet's forum.  I am sure the Which? article that Ardua referred to is available online.

Yes, not to promote others is fine as I mentioned once or twice. It's harsh when it's telling people not even to mention others. The information is available with the most simplistic search terms possible so telling people not to even mention them comes across as overly restrictive. Start enforcing that and you'll see an increase to the 80% drop off. Freedom to speak and compare things is one of the areas that made these forums popular, that and the fun they have on the boards. A lot of the people that posted on here that actually moved to other ISPs don't post here now which you can understand. That being said, if they're starting to enforce even uttering the name of other ISPs it makes you wonder if the reason the forums are quiet is because they've haemorrhaged customers and are worried they'll lose more.

For goodness sake, read my post.  I never used the word 'mention'.  I never said or implied you can't **mention** other ISPs!!  This was simply a polite and perfectly reasonable request (note: request, not restriction) not to **advertise** other ISPs by way of publishing details of their packages, which has been blown up out of all proportion.  I think it is perfectly clear what I meant, and I am not going to respond again, so please let this drop now, or the thread will be closed.

[psp83]

For goodness sake, read my post.  I never used the word 'mention'.  I never said or implied you can't **mention** other ISPs!!  This was simply a polite and perfectly reasonable request (note: request, not restriction) not to **advertise** other ISPs by way of publishing details of their packages, which has been blown up out of all proportion.  I think it is perfectly clear what I meant, and I am not going to respond again, so please let this drop now, or the thread will be closed.

Don't worry Simon, I knew what you meant, hence the messing about mentioning Tiscali 

[kerrso05]

For goodness sake, read my post.  I never used the word 'mention'.  I never said or implied you can't **mention** other ISPs!!  This was simply a polite and perfectly reasonable request (note: request, not restriction) not to **advertise** other ISPs by way of publishing details of their packages, which has been blown up out of all proportion.  I think it is perfectly clear what I meant, and I am not going to respond again, so please let this drop now, or the thread will be closed.

Wow Simon that's an aggressive angry rant...were did that come from? Just because there is something you don't like and because you have the position of Administrator you are going to threaten my legitimate thread with CLOSURE. What have I done to deserve this, I ask myself? I was only asking a question about another provider. It turns out that Provider is someone I have had terrible experience off and in my opinion is that they are "The Worst Internet Provider in the World"
Surely if there are things that people say that you don't like, you could PM them and take it up with them on a one to one basis, not threaten to close down a thread which has legitimate questions to ask about the new tariffs and the implications they will have on other users,

I am very very disappointed in your reaction and equally annoyed as you are by the way this Thread has turned....(In my opinion) it shows a very nasty side  to this Forum, certainly not a friendly helpful one (that it used to be).

So if you want to close it......I'm happy with that........I'll go to another forum and ask these legitimate questions

[Ardua]

Despite concerns about 3rd party advertising on an IDNet-hosted site, anyone reading this forum would conclude, in my view, that two of IDNet's competitors may not be worth a second look. I fail to see how this particular thread will do IDNet any damage at all. That is not to say that a given ISP, and its packages, will suit all and there are many examples on this, and other forums, where customers make the point that they are considering a change of ISP. More often as not, people leave IDNet after a happy experience with the caveat that, if the 'offer' ever changes to something more suited to their needs, they will not hesitate to return.

[Gary]

Wow Simon that's an aggressive angry rant

I think Simon is just stating a point, enough is enough with interpretations on what he said, he has stated this for the record, this goes around in circles and does not further the thread in anyway 

[kerrso05]

I think Simon is just stating a point, enough is enough with interpretations on what he said, he has stated this for the record, this goes around in circles and does not further the thread in anyway 

Gary what did he say? He said to me this:- "can we please not have advertising for other ISPs on IDNet's forum."

Was I wanting anyone to advertise............ANSWER No

Did I advertise...........ANSWER No

and Gary he may be stating a point that enough is enough but he is threatening to CLOSE this Thread

As I have said before if he thinks that the words he used were taken out of context or misused then surely he can PM those people and take the matter up with them (I for one am not one of those people because I didn't take him out of context) he doesn't have to threaten the rest of us with closure.

Again, if he wants to close this Thread down then ......not a problem....go ahead and do it 

[Simon]

Fine, this is obviously going nowhere, so thread closed.  Please refer to the forum rules before anyone decides to start another one in response. 

[Rik]

Can we all take a deep breath and let it out slowly please. The forum didn't used to be such a touchy place.

Simon rightly asked for no adverts, and he's not talked about locking this thread because he can, but because of the nature of it. You will remember, Harry, that when I locked your original thread, it was because I felt it had come to the end of its life, with which you agreed. I also asked that you continued any discussion in the threads which were already running. You obviously disagreed with that, which saddens me. Unlike ThinkBroadband, we don't have a Which ISP? Board, because we are dedicated to supporting IDNet customers. Staff members put in a tremendous amount of time and effort to running the forum, from 'front of house' to protecting members from hackers, spammers and others 'net nasties. Sometimes, it seems that members forget they are human too and can get fed up with the sniping.

This is of course a personal view, I'm officially retired.