New router...

Lance · Jul 14, 2007, 18:17:29

Hi guys,

I need a new router, my current one is causing a lot of noise over the phone.

Basically, I'm thinking about either the 2wire/BT 2700HGV or a speedtouch one. I have a couple of questions about the 2700HGV:

1) Physically, is it much bigger than usual routers? I've seen a few reports saying it's quite a beast!
2) Obviously, people have brought them from ebay - how much for (inc del)?

If I was to get a speedtouch modem, on features and stability, what one would be recommended? In addition, I am right that speedtouch routers are generally good at holding sync aren't I?

Thanks

MoHux · Jul 14, 2007, 18:44:17

Quote from: Lance........ I am right that speedtouch routers are generally good at holding sync aren't I?

I sync' so!!

Sorry Lance ...

Lance · Jul 14, 2007, 18:59:46

oh dear, oh dear, oh dear!

DorsetBoy · Jul 14, 2007, 19:03:54

I have used Thompson Speedtouch for the last 4 years,first the 510 which is now a spare and now run the 546 v6 and they are very good.The Speedtouch 585 is said to be good also.

The Zyxel P-660H is another good router and said to be excellent on long lines.

Never seen the BT beastie so can't comment.

Lance · Jul 14, 2007, 19:23:10

Thanks Dorsetboy. What is the logging like on the Speedtouch's? Does it record loss of sync etc?

old Bill · Jul 14, 2007, 19:38:55

Hi,
I recently brought the BT 2700 of Ebay. Paid about £40.00 for it. I must admit its the best router I have ever used (and I have tried a lot of routers

). In fact its so stable plus a new filtered face plate I am thinking of losing the interleaving. To give you some idea of what the stats are like I have copied some of mine. Now a lot of you round here know how bad my line used to be and now the stats make my line look quite good.
DSL Connection Details
DSL Line (Wire Pair):   Line 1 (inner pair)
Protocol:   G.DMT Annex A
Downstream Rate:   4320 kbps
Upstream Rate:   448 kbps
Channel:   Interleaved
Current Noise Margin:   9.0 dB (Downstream) 21.0 dB (Upstream)
Current Attenuation:   48.9 dB (Downstream) 30.0 dB (Upstream)
Current Output Power:   19.6 dBm (Downstream) 11.9 dBm (Upstream)
DSLAM Vendor Information:   Country: {0x0F} Vendor: {ALCB} Specific: {0x00}
PVC Info:   0
I USED TO GET THOUSANDS OF ERORS. NOT ANY MORE.
View Broadband Link Statistics

Transmit and Receive Data
IP   Bytes      Packets      Errors
Transmit:   30546550      160559      0
Receive:   257598817      216677      0

Data Errors
Statistics
Collected for 1 day 5:03:21
Since Reset   Current 24-Hour Interval   Current 15-Minute Interval   Time Since Last Event
ATM Cell Header Errors:   421   149   1   0:02:42
ATM Loss of Cell Delineation:   66   19   0   0:14:46
DSL Link Retrains:   0   0   0   0:00:00
DSL Training Errors:   0   0   0   0:00:00
DSL Training Timeouts:   0   0   0   0:00:00
DSL Loss of Framing Failures:   0   0   0   0:00:00
DSL Loss of Signal Failures:   0   0   0   0:00:00
DSL Loss of Power Failures:   0   0   0   0:00:00
DSL Loss of Margin Failures:   0   0   0   0:00:00
DSL Cumulative Errored Seconds:   386   127   1   0:02:42
DSL Severely Errored Seconds:   0   0   0   0:00:00
DSL Corrected Blocks:   7005   1168   10   0:00:05
DSL Uncorrected Blocks:   487   164   1   0:02:42
ISP Connection Establishment:   1   1   1   0:00:56
The wireless signal on it can be changed to (NOT RECOMENDED) very illegal settings. The quater power setting (UK legal limit) is very powerful as it is.

old Bill · Jul 14, 2007, 19:46:23

You can also find out some more here.
http://logikir100.tripod.com/ir1002700HGV.htm

DorsetBoy · Jul 14, 2007, 19:55:24

Quote from: Lance on Jul 14, 2007, 19:23:10
Thanks Dorsetboy. What is the logging like on the Speedtouch's? Does it record loss of sync etc?

The logging is not brilliant on Speedtouch routers,there is an event log but it is not detailed.
The Zyxel on the other hand is positively verbose!

Den · Jul 14, 2007, 20:34:18

Hi, As you know from my posting on speed checks, I was having all sort of problems with loss of sync and slow/erratic speeds. I purchased the BT 2700hgv hub and each day I do a number of speed checks because I still can not believe what I am seeing. No loss of sync since I installed last Tuesday evening. My profile has gone back up to 6000k and hopefully will go up to 6500 shortly, every test shows above 5700kbps best so far 5875kbps. I am probably going to purchase another as a spare as I can not bare the thought of going back to Belkin or any other after this. As for the size, 9inches across, 7inches deep and 1 1/2 high when used without the stand (small price to pay). I bought it on ebay from a guy who seems to have a good stock and 100% feedback. When asked a question after the purchase he replied with advice straight away. Hope this helps as much as you all helped me.

Lance · Jul 14, 2007, 21:01:51

Thanks for the replies, I'll let you know which router I purchase!

Inactive · Jul 15, 2007, 00:10:58

I am using the Zyxel 660 at the moment, I got it from Amazon a while back for £29.99, including a USB Dongle and delivery.

An absolute doddle to set up, it needs to be..

It is totally stable and the wireless section works very well, far better than my old BT Voyager 2100.

Lance · Jul 16, 2007, 07:40:14

Well, I've purchased a 2700HGV for £33+ £6 delivery. Once it arrives I'll give you all my opinion of it!

DorsetBoy · Jul 16, 2007, 07:47:28

Good luck with it Lance,hope it performs as well as others have found.

Lance · Jul 16, 2007, 07:49:10

So do I dorset! Thanks!

ReDGryphoN · Jul 16, 2007, 08:19:32

Hi,

I have the 2700HGV and I have tried LOADS of routers too inc the Speedtouch 585 and 546 and the Belkin 7633 all of course tweaked to death by the very handy DMT tool.

Nothing gets close to the 2700 on holding a line or on speed. Although the 2700 is out of the box and not tweakable by the DMT tool, it is a clear winner for me and I have a line a lot worse than most of you with an Attn of just under 60 but I can still get 2 meg from the line wheras previous routers would at best be 1.5meg and normally 1meg and many many noise margin drops leading to disconnections.

I got mine of fleabay and paid £30 for an unlocked one with the SBC software on it. (Ydrol)

I am not bothering looking for any other type of router this is the best by far for me.

ReD

MAABOF

Lance · Jul 16, 2007, 08:34:46

Thanks for the reassurance, ReD!

I don't know if mine is unlocked or not, but if it isn't I'll just use the simple DNS poisoning trick!

Does anyone know what the latest firmware version is?

Inactive · Jul 16, 2007, 10:29:53

Quote from: Lance on Jul 16, 2007, 07:40:14
Well, I've purchased a 2700HGV for £33+ £6 delivery. Once it arrives I'll give you all my opinion of it!

Good luck with it Lance, keep us updated.

Fortunately for me, I have a good line, so no benefit in getting one.

Den · Jul 16, 2007, 11:00:55

Hi Lance, My router is supposed to be the latest BT 2700HGV Hardware Version: 2701-100589-005 Software Version: 5.29.107.19 Still holding sync after a week, Up 448 down 7458 all speed test in the region of 5840kbps on a profile of 6000k. Hopefully profile will raise to 6500k soon. Still well happy

Lance · Jul 16, 2007, 11:18:50

Thanks Den

ReDGryphoN · Jul 16, 2007, 21:59:56

Don't know the latest.

Mine is 4.25.19 with hardware version 2701-100588-005

ReD

MAABOF

old Bill · Jul 18, 2007, 17:32:45

Any luck with the new router ?

Lance · Jul 18, 2007, 17:34:31

Only just this second got it plugged in! First impressions good though!

DorsetBoy · Jul 18, 2007, 17:43:20

You will be very glad you did not go for the Zyxel

My neighbour came in 2 nights back ,his router had packed up and he can't send in his days figures etc.

Get the nice new Zyxel out of box .......plug it in and.....terrible smell and flashing of lights,end of story.

Getting Zyxel to respond for an RMA is like getting a tax refund.
If this is what they call service I won't be keeping any replacement,it will be in the freeads and gone.

Lance · Jul 18, 2007, 19:53:57

Well, first impressions are very good. It has synced around 200-300kbps higher than my previous linksys, but more importantly the noise margin is appearing to stay nice and smooth and so far hasn't dropped below 6! Consequently, I've not yet had a resync.

I'll give another report later!

Inactive · Jul 18, 2007, 23:22:52

Quote from: DorsetBoy on Jul 18, 2007, 17:43:20
You will be very glad you did not go for the Zyxel

Excuse me, I have a Zyxel 660

Mine is brilliant, never lost connection, faster speed than my BT Voyager 2100, kids stuff to set up.

Surely your friend didn't buy it directly from Zyxel, so any RMA is down to the Retailer. I emailed Zyxel with a query and they responded within minutes, with an answer.

It has a 92 positive 5* reviews on ebuyer, so your friend must have
been unlucky.

Mine only cost £29.99 including a USB Dongle and delivery from Amazon, I am well pleased with mine.

Lance, good news so far, keep us updated.