Apple video stream

[Simon]

Yeah, but it doesn't feel like you're selling your soul to Apple.    Or, perhaps it just feels safer doing so.   

[Lance]

I would never deal with HTC again. Having dealt with their CS in the past, that is an experience I don't ever want again.

[Gary]

Yeah, but it doesn't feel like you're selling your soul to Apple.    Or, perhaps it just feels safer doing so.   

Apple have excellent customer service, I mean really excellent. HTC when I was with Justina were awful now I think about it. Also you cant be sure they will bother to update the latest Android releass phones much beyond a year.

[Simon]

Yeah, I can't disagree there.  A friend of mine's young daughter had an iPad and somehow (I suspect misuse) a small crack appeared in the screen.  Her Mum took it to the Apple Store, expecting and fully intending to pay for a repair, and they replaced the whole device there and then, no questions asked, and she doesn't have Apple Care!  I guess that's what you pay the premium for, but it's a hell of a premium in this case!  If I do go for the 6, it'll only be the 64Gb version, as I've got the cost of replacement accessories to consider as well. 

[Gary]

Yeah, I can't disagree there.  A friend of mine's young daughter had an iPad and somehow (I suspect misuse) a small crack appeared in the screen.  Her Mum took it to the Apple Store, expecting and fully intending to pay for a repair, and they replaced the whole device there and then, no questions asked, and she doesn't have Apple Care!  I guess that's what you pay the premium for, but it's a hell of a premium in this case!  If I do go for the 6, it'll only be the 64Gb version, as I've got the cost of replacement accessories to consider as well. 

I would wait for reviews. I also would wait for a 6S really, they have the bugs from the first revision worked out, and  bump in specs, I'm expecting screen issues and maybe camera ones. Also maybe signal with new aerial who knows  but the bleeding edge of tech no longer interests me.

[zappaDPJ]

The HTC M8 trade-in caught my eye the other day but £50.10 for my iPhone 4... I'd rather keep the phone and pay the extra. I was wondering how good the HTC Sync Manager is which transfers your stuff from iTunes I guess? It's a really nice looking phone but I'm still leaning towards an iPhone. If I cancel my Virgin gym subscription I can pay for an iPhone 6 in about 9 months with the money I save

[Gary]

Well my 'sold' iPhone 5s is now not sold as the credit card payment was refused  tbh maybe thats a good thing, it still has a lot of life left in it. I don't need a bigger screen it fits in my pocket easily, 64GB is my sweet spot, I don't need and wouldn't use or NFC for payments it has the same amount of ram as the 6 (not sure about 6 plus) and it has one years Applecare+ left to run, so ill stick with the 5S unless it gets bought again, although very tempted to keep it now, phones are getting so expensive, the 6 plus has nothing that a 2012 android handset didnt have as I see it and its to big to hold in one hand (well a Note 4 is for me and the 6 plus is taller!). See what happens next year I guess and just hope the new iPads this year will get more ram.

[Lance]

Three have mine, and I'll have it Friday

I take that back. Three f**ked up and the pre-order was never processed. Having now had it processed I won't get the phone until the 10th October.   

[Simon]

But, ISTR there have been delays with other Apple releases, haven't there?  I believe I had to wait two to three weeks for my 4S, direct from Apple. 

[Lance]

The issue is though had the pre-order been correctly processed last Friday, it would have been delivered this Friday. I'm now at the back of the queue

[Gary]

The issue is though had the pre-order been correctly processed last Friday, it would have been delivered this Friday. I'm now at the back of the queue

Lots of preorders have been put back it seems anyway Lance. This launch and the video stream seem to have been a cock up. At least you wont get the rushed to build units though which is a good thing.

[Simon]

I'm sure they don't build them all the week before they're released, do they?  They probably had a warehouse full of them for months before they even announced them. Like with the yellow screens on the 4S and the iPad 'bookspine' thing, I reckon it's just pot luck if you get a bad one.  If anything, it might be the second lot that are rushed, with them trying to clear back orders. 

[Den]

I just find it amazing that people stand in line to buy something of that value on the say so of someone else. Just remember today is the day that you will order/receive your new iPhone 6 and it will be the best thing ever until iPhone 7 comes out.

I wonder if so many people would stand in line if the magazines had slammed it as they did with Windows 8. I'm sure if we took the trouble to go back through the postings on here over the last few years we would find the same people waiting for their new iPhone.

No I'm not knocking the iPhone my 4s is great and I will most likely stick with it until it falls apart, 

[Steve]

Puzzled Den, how the heck are we supposed to get any clues to a devices ability without reading the reviews, surely Windows 8 was rightly slated and indeed has not been a roaring success. At least Apple have a pedigree of producing a decent phone, Microsoft lost their way after Win 98 and have never regained the trust or the ground they lost.  Sadly with phones the look is more important to some than the function. Anyway can anyone get me an invite for a OnePlusOne - now that is value for money.

[Simon]

Have to admit, I find it astonishing that there were people queueing outside of some Apple stores, when the product wasn't available for a week!  I guess there's seen to be some sort of kudos in being the first one 'on the block' to have the new Apple device, which I suppose proves they (Apple) must be doing something right to have desire reach such heights, but you wouldn't catch me queueing for 10 minutes for one, let alone a week! 

[Den]

My point exactly Simon, the iPhone 6 may be the best phone ever but is it that much better than the IPhone 5s that for the last year everyone was saying is the best phone ever. I can't see the point of joining a queue for a week just to say you had the first.

As has pointed out before, reviews are not always unbiased after all if some one gave me a iPhone 6 free of charge on the condition that I tell everyone how good it is what do you think I would do. 

[Simon]

I think that's a slightly skewed view of reviews, Den.  I think there are plenty of unbiased reviews available for lots of phones, some of which are not particularly complimentary, so I don't think it's the case, on the whole, that reviewers are given phones on the condition that they sing their praises. 

[Den]

Me neither, but that was a point put forward when discussing Antivirus programs not long ago. 

[zappaDPJ]

Apparently Apple sold over 4 million iPhones in the first 24 hours after the launch, double the number of iPhone 5's that were sold during the same time period. I've also heard (no idea if it's true) that Apple stand to gain 15 cents from every $100 spent using Apple Pay.

[Simon]

That wouldn't surprise me.

[Gary]

I'm sure they don't build them all the week before they're released, do they?  They probably had a warehouse full of them for months before they even announced them. Like with the yellow screens on the 4S and the iPad 'bookspine' thing, I reckon it's just pot luck if you get a bad one.  If anything, it might be the second lot that are rushed, with them trying to clear back orders. 

From experience, like the say the PS4 the first units are rushed to get huge numbers out, second and third batches tend to be less problematic, Simon. The people in the sweat houses factories are pushed damn hard. The first batch of PS4's for example had issues as interns made them, and from personal experience the first batch of iPhone 5's had more damage and scuffs, I went though seven of them! When the 5S came along production was sorted and no scuffs or dents were present.

[Technical Ben]

On closer inspection the iWatch actually looks rather nice. I guess tiny photos on Twitter don't help with product image.

[zappaDPJ]

If you haven't already heard, the iPhone 6 is not a phone to keep in your trouser pocket: http://www.macrumors.com/2014/09/23/iphone-6-plus-bending-pockets/

I was in the process of ordering one from Tesco when I read that and decided not to go ahead. A bit of Googling suggests that it's not an isolated incident. It seems the phone has a weak area around where the side buttons protrude and it's particular bad on the Plus.

[Simon]

That's the larger 6 Plus, though. I think it's probably common sense not to keep a large device such as that in a pocket, where it's likely to get squashed.  Not to mention, it can't be very comfortable!  I can't comment on the 5/5S, but I've sat on my 4S plenty of times, and it hasn't bent! 

[Simon]

Off topic, but I have an HTC One M8 on it's way to me, so hopefully that'll do me until the 6S comes out next year.