Apple video stream

[zappaDPJ]

There have been reports of both phones bending but the Plus certainly seems to be getting the most press. I blame McDonald's

[Simon]

Apple will say it's the way you're sitting. 

[Simon]

http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2014/sep/24/iphone-6-plus-bend-pockets-complain

[Steve]

Seems to be an issue with any phone built with a metal frame otherwise the iPhone seems well built

[Technical Ben]

Seems to be an issue with any phone built with a metal frame otherwise the iPhone seems well built

Manager tried to take a sticker off the display cooker today... the sticker stayed in his hands, and the door peeled off... 

They don't make them like they use to! 

[Lance]

Well, I've now got my (currently straight) iPhone 6 plus and it is a lovely phone.

Despite Three insisting yesterday that delivery would be on the 10th October when questions ng why their website says 3rd October for new orders, last night I got the DPD text message with the tracking info.

It is much, much faster than my iPhone 4!

[Simon]

Excellent!

[Gary]

iOS 8.0.2 was released last night

[Simon]

Who dares?? 

[Lance]

I updated this morning without issue. I figured they wouldn't release two dud updates in a row!

[Simon]

Figured?  Or hoped? 

[zappaDPJ]

I went to the Apple store earlier today and spent a couple of hours comparing the 5s to the 6. The first thing I learned is that neither phone was able to learn my fingerprint(s). I've never had particularly distinctive prints because of the amount of time I spend playing stringed instruments but I really didn't expect it to present that much of an issue with the phone.

The speed difference between the two units (same iOS version) was quite noticeable but what really caught my eye was the difference in screen quality. At the same luminance setting the 6 was surprisingly clearer. In fact I could easily use it without my glasses. According to the sales staff I spoke to they have had no bent phones returned, just a few Plus phones with dead pixels. The Plus is nice, really nice but there's no way on this earth I would hold that up to my ear to take a call!

Having now seen the 6 properly I like the design even less compared to the to 5 and it does bother me slightly that is really is so thin. However slapping a case on it will negate both of my grievances to some extent and the fact that I can actually see the screen without glasses is a huge plus point. I shall resume my order with Tesco on Monday!

[Lance]

A bit of both, Simon!

[Lance]

I've had no issues with the fingerprint recognition, but neither have I ever played string instruments!

Good luck with the purchase, Zap.

[Gary]

I went to the Apple store earlier today and spent a couple of hours comparing the 5s to the 6. The first thing I learned is that neither phone was able to learn my fingerprint(s). I've never had particularly distinctive prints because of the amount of time I spend playing stringed instruments but I really didn't expect it to present that much of an issue with the phone.

The speed difference between the two units (same iOS version) was quite noticeable but what really caught my eye was the difference in screen quality. At the same luminance setting the 6 was surprisingly clearer. In fact I could easily use it without my glasses. According to the sales staff I spoke to they have had no bent phones returned, just a few Plus phones with dead pixels. The Plus is nice, really nice but there's no way on this earth I would hold that up to my ear to take a call!

Having now seen the 6 properly I like the design even less compared to the to 5 and it does bother me slightly that is really is so thin. However slapping a case on it will negate both of my grievances to some extent and the fact that I can actually see the screen without glasses is a huge plus point. I shall resume my order with Tesco on Monday!

The screen is gorgeous, but I don't think its that much faster in the menu's myself, and with people still having issues with headphone jacks, and the fact it takes 70-90lbs of force to bend one and 130lbs to bend a 5S I know where I'm staying this time round. The phone does not offer me much that's new that I don't have now and its too slim and the protruding camera is ugly I think, but that's personal choice. The camera produces orbs with side lighting at night and my 5S had a better signal than the 6 in the O2 shop which I thought was very odd, I see too many issues with this version. I have the cash sitting here for an unlocked version from Apple, but I just cant buy one this year with good conscience, its an odd feeling. 

[zappaDPJ]

Good luck with the purchase, Zap.

Thanks, I might need it, they've probably sold out since I last rang!

The screen is gorgeous, but I don't think its that much faster in the menu's myself,

I was able to compare the two side by side. There's not a great deal to choose between them from a navigational point of view but anything graphically intensive is noticeably faster. I'm still a little hesitant as it's a lot of money. If I get the same use out of it as I did with my iPhone 4 then the cost is almost insignificant. I'm just a bit concerned that I'll bend the damn thing as it will spend most of it's life in my front pocket.

[Gary]

Thanks, I might need it, they've probably sold out since I last rang!

I was able to compare the two side by side. There's not a great deal to choose between them from a navigational point of view but anything graphically intensive is noticeably faster. I'm still a little hesitant as it's a lot of money. If I get the same use out of it as I did with my iPhone 4 then the cost is almost insignificant. I'm just a bit concerned that I'll bend the damn thing as it will spend most of it's life in my front pocket.

6 is hard to bend, but a test was done showing the earlier 5 and 5S were much stronger. I wish Apple had gone for a thicker phone over super slim. The screen is wonderful, but i was surprised that the 4.7" screen does not give me as much screen real estate as I was expecting over my 5S. The 6 plus is just way to big and with a case would be silly for me, I can see that getting dented. The headphone socket thing does worry me though . Financially it makes sense to update now sell my 5S while it has good value and sell 6 next year for a 6S or just keep the cash for a year and wait it out. That way though I loose any money my 5S is worth. I don't do graphically intensive stuff on my phone like gaming, I have no social media on it either. I watch you tube videos on it once in a blue moon but it plays them fine, in fact it runs iOS 8 as fast pretty much as it did iOS7.

I guess I'm getting bored of the whole phone upgrade cycle thing and more cynical, bigger screens with the same amount or ram means a compromise somewhere, as how is the ram shared between the CPU and GPU on say the 6 plus?  These phones need more ram I think, 2GB would be fine, and I guess that will come next year. Maybe its my age now, as apart from a better screen, which is still not 1080P on the 6 which is a shame what do I get? More issues it seems and there have been reports that this year the screen seems to scratch more easily and signal is not as good as the earlier 4 and 5 models but the only way for sure is to test it yourself. I think ill have to wait a good month or two to see what happens on the Apple forums, if the headphone jack remains a pain i'll just stay with mine till next year...or will I  Normally this should be a no brainer upgrade but I just have cold feet this time.
https://discussions.apple.com/thread/6546098 (headphone jack issues)

[pctech]

Do let us know how you get on with it Simon, particularly signal wise as it looks a lovely device (I do like metal cased phones) but as I said I was somewhat disappointed with the Desire S' performance on that score which was a shame as the device was nicely weighted and felt very well made but it needs to work well as a phone as this is the primary reason I have one.

[Simon]

I have a very poor signal at home, Mitch, and most of the time this one is actually showing 0 bars but I can still make and receive calls, which is actually an improvement on the iPhone 4S with which I could barely make calls
at all at home, even with one or two bars.

I had a total nightmare setting up mobile internet and MMS, which involved two calls to O2 at 30 minutes each, but it's finally working now.  I'm also finding the keyboard very difficult to get used to, particularly when trying to place the cursor to edit something.

The iPhone has that simplicity, and 'just works', which is what I'm missing the most.  The problem, though, isn't the device, but the operating system.  Despite the recent upgrade issues, Apple just have that so right, and everything seems like hard work with Android.

[pctech]

Only used iOS a little on the iPad at work and would agree that the Android experience is a little less polished shall we say but would agree that Google could improve text editing on it.

[Simon]

Considering that's what I do for much of the day, it could become quite a frustration.

[Den]

If you have a poor phone signal at home Simon, depending who your provider is you can get a signal booster that plugs into your router. I'm with Vodafone and I use their sure signal and get a 100% signal even though I was lucky to get one or two bars without it.

[Simon]

I don't really need it though, Den, as all I need to do is forward incoming mobile calls to my landline when at home.  Everything else on the mobile is done over WiFi. 

[pctech]

You could use the TU go app http://www.o2.co.uk/apps/tu-go

[Steve]

I've used that and it does work but could be a nuisance at times on my previous iPhone