iOS8

[Steve]

Having had a reasonable test of 3 browsers there's no doubt in my mind that Safari for iOS is the best performing overall in terms of ease of use, functions and speed. I guess I'll just have to put up with the page reload error for the time being.

[Gary]

Having had a reasonable test of 3 browsers there's no doubt in my mind that Safari for iOS is the best performing overall in terms of ease of use, functions and speed. I guess I'll just have to put up with the page reload error for the time being.

Im definate;ly not seeing those page reload errors, Steve. Safari is still a bit clunky but it works pretty wwell now on my iPad. Maybe its because they are writing predominately for 64bit now and older devices are being left behind, which would be sad. On another note I downloaded Geekbench to see what mine came out like, result 4534 on multi. that is just such a huge leap from the iPhone 6 the slower 6 plus and the iPad Air let alone the 4, the thing is if iOS 8 and onwards needs this kind of performance then it will make the tablet market almost throw away on Apples side. Then again with Lolipop slowing down older tablets as well on Android maybe its a sign of a new marketing trend to get people to update hardware

[Steve]

I would agree that there's no point in having a high performance machine and dumbing down the OS so it will cope with older devices but then again as mentioned earlier why offer it. The android situation I think is probably slightly different as no performance gain was intended apart from a runtime change from Dalvic to ART, I think the OTA  update file is causing the issues on certain devices, this is of course how the majority will update as opposed to a fresh install on a reset device.

[Gary]

I would agree that there's no point in having a high performance machine and dumbing down the OS so it will cope with older devices but then again as mentioned earlier why offer it. The android situation I think is probably slightly different as no performance gain was intended apart from a runtime change from Dalvic to ART, I think the OTA  update file is causing the issues on certain devices, this is of course how the majority will update as opposed to a fresh install on a reset device.

I think its pretty obvious that a machine with half the ram of the last generation of iPads/iPhones would have issues but the 4 should not. Then again on the Apple forums the original iPad Air and previous models were being harangued for tab refreshing all the time in safari due to what many believed was lack of ram. When Android handsets function fine you have to look at Apples hardware specs but why iOS 8 is so 'Heavy' I have no idea.

  I think in January 8.2 will be released, maybe that will help, but it says a lot when the flagship iPhone 6 plus is slower than the 6 because its having a hard time pushing the 1080P screen with the same hardware spec as the 6. Apple need to think about this and have maybe a cut off point or leave a signed version of the last version of the previous iOS release on the table, but iOS 7 had some big security holes that 8 fixed, so what do you do, maybe offer patches like OS X for older OS's?

[Steve]

Obviously we don't know how many of these older devices are performing well on iOS8 it's only the complaints that we hear.  Looking at Apple's hardware costs outside the U.S. I think that they do have a responsibility to ensure optimum function for I would say three years at least, if the means patching the previous OS with security updates so be it. As you say they do it with OSX but that maybe be related to older chipsets??.

[Gary]

Obviously we don't know how many of these older devices are performing well on iOS8 it's only the complaints that we hear.  Looking at Apple's hardware costs outside the U.S. I think that they do have a responsibility to ensure optimum function for I would say three years at least, if the means patching the previous OS with security updates so be it. As you say they do it with OSX but that maybe be related to older chipsets??.

I think OS X is supported for two years maybe 3 I'm not sure tbh. The patches in iOS (8.1.1 had a few) https://support.apple.com/en-gb/HT6590

I cant see why they cannot do the same with iOS, and keep the last iteration for three years, the problem comes down to app writers maybe who may stop supporting older versions of iOS its probably hard work trying to support two versions with different chipsets and ram and now screen sizes. 

[Steve]

I forgot that, yes the third party apps could be the key point here.

[Marioy]

If your phone is above iphone 4s, it could work well. Maybe the space is not much enough. You could use iphone cleaner to get more space..

[Gary]

If your phone is above iphone 4s, it could work well. Maybe the space is not much enough. You could use iphone cleaner to get more space..

Its nothing to do with 'space' its to do with cpu and ram...also I wouldn't jailbreak my phone to use a cleaner, its not needed 

[Steve]

Thanks Gary , I too can find no evidence of the mentioned app in iTunes App store and wish to point out that jailbreaking itself has it's own inherent risks.

[Gary]

Thanks Gary , I too can find no evidence of the mentioned app in iTunes App store and wish to point out that jailbreaking itself has it's own inherent risks.

Indeed, keeping your phone as safe as you can these days is really important, and jailbreaking comes with as you say its own risks which for myself are not worth it. 

[Simon]

You don't need to jailbreak to use some iPhone 'cleaners'.  I've used PhoneClean3 on my 4S occasionally, and it does free up some space. 

http://www.imobie.com/phoneclean/

[Gary]

You don't need to jailbreak to use some iPhone 'cleaners'.  I've used PhoneClean3 on my 4S occasionally, and it does free up some space. 

http://www.imobie.com/phoneclean/

You shouldn't have to, all data kept is generally required, also that app is not in the app store... so how did you download it?

[Simon]

It's a Windows app, Gary. 

[Gary]

It's a Windows app, Gary. 

Right so you are using a windows app thats not been tested to be safe for iOS to to clean your iPhone...nope that's a big no no for me. You have no idea what code is in that app or what its really doing to your iPhone and it could install malware like some third party apps have recently that people in China downloaded. Its like third party cleaners for Windows mostly never needed, generally can do more harm than good, registry cleaners are snake oil.

[Simon]

How do you know its not been tested on iOS?  If you're saying no to any Windows app for iOS, then you'd better uninstall iTunes. 

All this does is removes what you ask it to remove.  This might be app caches, many of which build up quite considerably, orphaned app installation files, etc, or it can clear all messages in one go, should you wish to do so. 

[Gary]

iOS 8.1.2 released bug fixes for vanishing ringtones and whatever

[Gary]

How do you know its not been tested on iOS?  If you're saying no to any Windows app for iOS, then you'd better uninstall iTunes. 

All this does is removes what you ask it to remove.  This might be app caches, many of which build up quite considerably, orphaned app installation files, etc, or it can clear all messages in one go, should you wish to do so. 

No what I'm saying is iTunes is created by Apple (I dont use windows by the way)  Apple does not sanction anything interfering within the sandbox of iOS hence this app is not available within the app store for OS X. Also since this app is written by a third party and Apple have not given it any kind of ok you don't know what its doing inside your phone, god help us with the ones that Google and Apple do sanction. UBER for android, that was meant to be a taxi app  but it was collecting other material. You cant trust third party apps to clean up iOS as much as you cant trust reg cleaners to clean up Windows or Apps to clean up OS X (even CCleaner is no longer available in the app store of OS X due to sandbox issues) Just because it says it does a certain thing how do you know its not doing something else or muck up your file system? As to orphaned app files they are tiny and messages, well you can do that by clicking delete