Migration complete!

Simon · Sep 20, 2007, 09:45:55

Well, I couldn't help but be impressed to find that my transfer was completed when I got up this morning, and I am now a fully fledged member of IDNet!

Well done guys, and thanks for a smooth migration.

Rik · Sep 20, 2007, 09:46:58

Congratulations, have a karma.

How's the speed?

Lance · Sep 20, 2007, 09:48:08

Congrats Simon!

Gary · Sep 20, 2007, 09:51:25

Congratulations Simon and welcome aboard

cavillas · Sep 20, 2007, 09:54:10

Welcome to Nirvana.

Ray · Sep 20, 2007, 11:46:54

Simon

to Idnet glad you have finally arrived - enjoy!

Simon · Sep 20, 2007, 12:02:11

At work at the moment. Will be back later for more of a play.

MoHux · Sep 20, 2007, 12:50:10

Now you really ARE an IDN~~utter~~! err, Netter!!

Welcome Simon

Rik · Sep 20, 2007, 12:51:25

You can't remove Simon's nuts, Mo, we don't have any anaesthetic.

MoHux · Sep 20, 2007, 13:02:02

Showing off again I see ........... letting us know you can spell anas ... annae .... err cloro ...... chl ..... Aw Nuts!! (pun intended

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Rik · Sep 20, 2007, 13:04:38

Not me, Mo, my dictionary.

cavillas · Sep 20, 2007, 14:04:19

Didn't know you could afford one Rik.

Rik · Sep 20, 2007, 14:16:15

It came with the Age Concern parcel, Alf.

Simon · Sep 20, 2007, 18:44:00

Thanks for the welcome everyone!

Rik, this is the BT Speedtest result:

IP profile for your line is - 4000 kbps
DSL connection rate: 448 kbps(UP-STREAM) 4672 kbps(DOWN-STREAM)
Actual IP throughput achieved during the test was - 2439 kbps

Not sure how good that is. I think my profile was 3500 with Poopex. I have to say, it doesn't seem to be much faster, in fact it seems slightly slow here at the moment.

Gary · Sep 20, 2007, 19:00:05

Hi Simon your throughput looks a little low , or that may be me I would like to see Rik or Lances view, you are in your ten day training period remember so things will change, those speeds are good considering your last ISP stats. Mine read.

IP profile for your line is - 4500 kbps
DSL connection rate: 448 kbps(UP-STREAM) 5376 kbps(DOWN-STREAM)
Actual IP throughput achieved during the test was - 4223 kbps
and that's on a line that was meant to have 3000kbs tops so let your training period continue and see how it goes.

Simon · Sep 20, 2007, 19:14:05

Hi Gary,

Am I in a 10 day training period?

I asked this question before, and I thought I understood that IDNet don't automatically retrain the line, but would happily be corrected.

Lance · Sep 20, 2007, 19:17:41

Whilst I agree with you Gary about the thoughput being low, I don't agree that Simon is in his training period. The vast majority of connections, as long as it is a Max to Max migration, do not require another training period.

Simon is currently towards the lower end of the 4000kbps profile range, and if he re-syncs when there is more noise on the line it is quite possible he will drop into the top end of the 3500kbps profile. Sync speeds are determined on the actual line so you wouldn't really expect a significant change from ISP to ISP.

What would be good is to see Simon's line stats (ie noise margin and attenuation)

Gary · Sep 20, 2007, 19:35:26

Quote from: Lance on Sep 20, 2007, 19:17:41
Whilst I agree with you Gary about the thoughput being low, I don't agree that Simon is in his training period. The vast majority of connections, as long as it is a Max to Max migration, do not require another training period.

Simon is currently towards the lower end of the 4000kbps profile range, and if he re-syncs when there is more noise on the line it is quite possible he will drop into the top end of the 3500kbps profile. Sync speeds are determined on the actual line so you wouldn't really expect a significant change from ISP to ISP.

What would be good is to see Simon's line stats (ie noise margin and attenuation)

It is indeed probable that his training period would not be happening as long there was no loss of sync when he changed over, I had forgot that max to max does not always need re-training, but I agree that seeing his noise margin and line stats would be good, mine are snr 8db attenuation of 49db Downstream, now with Orange I would not get much over 3500kbs before my line dropped at 6pm every night so for me there was quiet a difference, maybe BT did a better job this time round of connecting me Lance

Gary · Sep 20, 2007, 19:47:36

Quote from: Si6776 on Sep 20, 2007, 19:14:05
Hi Gary,

Am I in a 10 day training period? I asked this question before, and I thought I understood that IDNet don't automatically retrain the line, but would happily be corrected.

Sorry about that Simon you don't retrain generally when you swap unless there was a loss of sync, I just did some reading up on that

as Lance says line stats would be good though.

Simon · Sep 20, 2007, 20:37:33

Is this what you're looking for?

ADSL Link      Downstream Upstream
Connection Speed    4672 kbps      448 kbps
Line Attenuation      34 db         9.5 db
Noise Margin      11 db         20 db

Rik · Sep 21, 2007, 00:17:08

My hunch, Simon, is that you've had a low sync event along the way, as your noise margin is high. That said, for your profile, you're not getting the throughput I would expect. What settings are you using for RWIN & MTU?

Gary · Sep 21, 2007, 06:51:47

Quote from: Rik on Sep 21, 2007, 00:17:08
My hunch, Simon, is that you've had a low sync event along the way, as your noise margin is high. That said, for your profile, you're not getting the throughput I would expect. What settings are you using for RWIN & MTU?

Rik if Simon has had a low sync even on his migration would that possibly re-start his training period, having done to much reading for my own good some ISP's suggest this can happen when you are swapped over with loss or sync events and for my own clarification does IDNet do this, that's why I wondered about a training period starting up again with his profile results, all helps to get the bigger picture for future reference

God its early

oh and Morning people

colirv · Sep 21, 2007, 08:08:33

An actual speed of 2439 for a profile of 4000 is not very good, but equally it may not be a very good measurement - speed testers can give very variable results!

Having said that, I have a profile of 2500 and generally achieve speeds of 700 - 1400 depending on time of day. IDNet have investigated with BT and say it is exchange congestion. Really there's nothing to be done until the exchange is upgraded.

Simon · Sep 21, 2007, 09:49:31

Quote from: Rik on Sep 21, 2007, 00:17:08
My hunch, Simon, is that you've had a low sync event along the way, as your noise margin is high. That said, for your profile, you're not getting the throughput I would expect. What settings are you using for RWIN & MTU?

Same as I posted in my "Questions..." thread form when I first joined, Rik. I have to dash now, so I'll come back to you later on this one.

Simon · Sep 21, 2007, 09:50:41

Quote from: Killhippie on Sep 21, 2007, 06:51:47
Rik if Simon has had a low sync even on his migration would that possibly re-start his training period, having done to much reading for my own good some ISP's suggest this can happen when you are swapped over with loss or sync events and for my own clarification does IDNet do this, that's why I wondered about a training period starting up again with his profile results, all helps to get the bigger picture for future reference God its early oh and Morning people

How do we get the line retrained?