New line stats after idnet lent a router

[mrapoc]

Idnet kindly lentme a Netgear DG834G to test my line stats.

Current stats are

ADSL Link     Downstream     Upstream
Connection Speed    8128 kbps    448 kbps
Line Attenuation    27 db    7 db
Noise Margin    11 db    26 db

After a few minutes up time.

My stats before were:

Line Attenuation (Up/Down) [dB]: 13.5 / 26.0

SN Margin (Up/Down) [dB]: 13.0 / 23.0

Has the router helped or do i need to do more? I want the best performance before i consider moving to supermax.

[Gary]

Those stats look pretty good to be honest, Lance will give you the heads up but I think you would be fine upgrading 

[Lance]

Well, it seems that your reported (not actual) attenuation has doubled, but I think that is an issue with the Netgear router (Rik can confirm this).

I think, with your stats, you would be fine upgrading!

ps IDNet lending a router is a great service!

[Gary]

Well, it seems that your attenuation has doubled, but I think that is an issue with the Netgear router (Rik can confirm this).

I think, with your stats, you would be fine upgrading!

ps IDNet lending a router is a great service!

I could not imagine any other ISP lending a router, shows the level of commitment they have for their customers 

[mrapoc]

Hear hear!

I can either buy this off them or send it back and get a sexy draytek vigor :p

I know it may be adequate but before i was getting random disconnects, poor pings compared to earlier on (double?) plus poor sync and random connection error in counter strike.

Its a 1960s housei think and the ring wire etc. is untouched afaik. Plus its a standard face plate to filter if a all in one faceplate would help.

I will only consider doing it if the gain would be actually well worth it

My problems were probably down to the router tho tbh

[Lance]

Sounds like your old router is on the way out for sure! As for which replacement, I've never used Netgear or Draytek so can't recommend either way!

One thing I would recommend doing is removing the ring wire - it's quick and easy. As for a filtered faceplate, you may see some benefit when it comes to ADSL2 but I think your stats are good enough to stick with normal faceplate and soap-on-a-rope filter!

[mrapoc]

So compared to before my line stats are a lot better? 

[Gary]

Sounds like your old router is on the way out for sure! As for which replacement, I've never used Netgear or Draytek so can't recommend either way!

One thing I would recommend doing is removing the ring wire - it's quick and easy. As for a filtered faceplate, you may see some benefit when it comes to ADSL2 but I think your stats are good enough to stick with normal faceplate and soap-on-a-rope filter!

Netgears are pretty good at holding on to a signal when the noise gets bad, and they are not expensive and get good reviews, I have used Netgear for years and never had issue, my v3 DG834G works fine and the wifi is great for what I use it for, if you need the features in the vigor then go for it but if not the Netgears are good little boxes I agree with Lance about filtered face plates I have one but my signal was poor, the soap on a rope type are fine for your stats, using a good one makes a difference the adsl nation ones are fantastic, I have the adsl nation faceplate and it really helped, but you seem pretty solid with what you have.

[mrapoc]

Main reason for choosing draytek is that they seem very professional (please tell me the still look easy to configure lol)

My speedtouch 580 was unreliable and kept forgetting firewall settings.

Even with this netgear my feckin wireless signal is low/very low in my room. I think the drayteks have better wireless?

Just need something easy, powerful and suitable for large bandwidth movement during the occassional lan party :p

[mrapoc]

Now i want to know if I should buy this off them or take the plunge for a bit more on a draytek vigor 2800g (off ebay ofc). I understand the vigor is just pure 1337 but will i use all that stuff?

I like the idea of extra security but dont like the idea of potentially harder to setup. This netgear gives me "low" signal strength in my bedroom which isnt too good but seems to give a good strength wired.

Is the draytek that harder to setup and will i find a use for its sh1teloads of features?

Im what you'd call an everyday user on steroids - not quite power user but as i progress through my network course in college i may find a use for features?

Cheers

Idnet ftw





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[Rik]

Hi Sam

I had a Draytek 2600 pre-Max and it was excellent, albeit overkill for my needs and quite complex to set up. However, it had issues with the line when I went to Max, and the humble Netgear stepped up and did a better job (whilst being a doddle to set up). Netgears halve the u/s attenuation, so the figures between the two routers are pretty sinilar really, it's down to whether the Netgear hangs on better.

If not, the 2 Wire 2700 might be a stronger candidate for you.

[Gary]

Main reason for choosing draytek is that they seem very professional (please tell me the still look easy to configure lol)

My speedtouch 580 was unreliable and kept forgetting firewall settings.

Even with this netgear my feckin wireless signal is low/very low in my room. I think the drayteks have better wireless?

Just need something easy, powerful and suitable for large bandwidth movement during the occassional lan party :p

The reviews which I'm sure you have read say its a great router but not for the faint hearted as it has a lot of settings, I'm sure you could master them though but its a pricy beast but you get what you pay for, try changing the channel on the netgear to see if that helps also using the verticle stand may help and positioning makes a lot of difference, I get a good signal though two stone walls with the DG834G, the Vigor does look solid though, it all depends on your needs as I said before, it does seem more suited to a business environment to be honest. Have a good look around for price and maybe avoid ebay, you have more comeback with a reputable online retailer in my view with electronics, and order one if you want after checking both positive and negative reviews, if you don't like it you can return it under the distance seller act on the basis you never physically saw the product before you bought it. The Netgear or the 2 wire as Rik suggested should really be enough for most people though

[mrapoc]

Got a link to a good price for the 2 wire? Im not sure how much idnet want off me for this one 

What the cheapest the Draytek could be got for without fleabay?

[Rik]

Lance might be able to point you at a 2 Wire, Sam (or Red).

This seemed to be a cheap-ish source of Drayteks:

http://www.datacommsdirect.co.uk/product.asp?P_ID=227&gclid=CNjL-ZKe3o4CFQHklAodrhrCMw

[Lance]

I paid about £40 for my 2wire 2700HGV, think they tend to go for £40-£50.

As far as I know, the only UK source (ither than paying for a BT business package!) is ebay.

[ReDGryphoN]

I paid £25 delivered for my 2wire which was fully unlocked from fleabay via ydrol

Not so easy to get now as many people I know have bought them up

Still a few around

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/BT-Business-Hub-2Wire-2700HGV-2700-HGV-VOIP_W0QQitemZ320162365822QQihZ011QQcategoryZ44997QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

That one is cheaper than mine but not unlocked yet.

There is also a BNIB for sale with no reserve at the mo

Can't rate my highly enough esp for poor lines but tbh you seem to have a great line.

ReD

MAABOF

[Lance]

That's a good deal! I was watching prices for about a month before getting mine and not one sold for under £35!

As for unlocking, there is a simple trick you can do which doesn't involve reflashing with different firmware - it's a simple DNS entry. As ReD has said, these are particularly good on long/poor lines.

[Glenn]

I might take a look at the 2wire for my line, it's approx 3.5km from the exchange with a 59db. Do you think it would improve my connection, I doubt it but it could be worth a try?

[Lance]

You might find it makes your connection a little bit more stable. I know others with high attenuations have had good results.

My attenuation is 51.5 and, compared to my old linksys, the 2wire holds the line much better and I don't see the noise margin decrease as much.

[Den]

Hi glen, the 2wire changed my line and profile beyond my wildest dreams. I think that they are so good I would even use it to make my dinner on     If you are having problems I would expect these to improve the situation.

[Glenn]

OK cheers guys, I'll take a look around and see what I can find.

[old Bill]

I have a 2 wire and its just great.
Have a look at these.
http://search.ebay.co.uk/search/search.dll?MfcISAPICommand=GetResult&ht=1&shortcut=0&from=R41&query=bt+bUSINESS+HUB%22+&category0=&Submit=Search

[mrapoc]

Idnet have got back with lines stats:

Your current synch rate is 8128 (with an SNR margin of 11dB) but your Profile is 4500. Detailed dignostic output is below. In essence I think it is saying that you are suffering from spike of electrical noise interference that is causing problems for your line. You will need to hunt down the cause and eliminate it.

Cheers
Simon


Prognosis: Prognosis for a period of 14 days from 12-Sep-2007 to 25-Sep-2007. The circuit is in sync throughout the period. The circuit has no dropping connections or errors. (Outcome Code:RRT1)


RRT Downstream Trends: 

Trend Type  Maximum  Minimum  Average  Minimum Date  Maximum Date  Trend Message 
Line Rate  5440 8128 5743 Multiple Multiple The line rate has varied by a considerable amount and frequently on just a few days during the analysis period. The line rate is within acceptable limits. Please see the average value.
Noise Margins  12 24 22 Mon Sep 24 00:00:01 BST 2007 Multiple The noise margin has varied by a small amount but occasionally on most of the days during the analysis period. This is normal behaviour for a DSL product and is not affecting the service in any way.The Noise margin is high. Please see the average value.
Transmission Errors  5 3600 3257 Wed Sep 12 00:00:01 BST 2007 Multiple There have been insignificant errors on the line during most parts of the day. This behaviour happens on most of the days during the analysis period. This is normal behaviour for a DSL product and is not affecting the service in any way.
LineAttenuation  26 26 26 Multiple Multiple This is not a long line and should be able to achieve MAX rates.
Uptime  900 86400 78608 Tue Sep 25 00:00:01 BST 2007 Multiple This circuit is up for an average 91.0% of the time.
Initializations  0 2 0 Multiple Multiple There have been a few initializations on the line during just a few parts of the day. This behaviour happens on just a few days during the analysis period.

Electrical interference?  where? lol

[Rik]

Probably your internal wiring is picking it up. Does it run adjacent to mains wiring? Do you have multiple extensions? Can you move the router to the master socket and run long ethernet cables? Is your line overhead or underground, if the former, it will be more prone to RFI (and there's nothing you can do about it).

[Gary]

Probably your internal wiring is picking it up. Does it run adjacent to mains wiring? Do you have multiple extensions? Can you move the router to the master socket and run long ethernet cables? Is your line overhead or underground, if the former, it will be more prone to RFI (and there's nothing you can do about it).

I have issues with line noise at night causing sync events, I have overhead lines and a streetlight right by the side of them this causes interference at night, as Ric said check your internal wiring use shielded cat5 if possible and move your cable runs away from electricity cables if possible, but if its RFI there is nothing you can do as over head cables in essence act like large aerials.