Another convert to the 2wire 2700

[Gary]

Just got up and running with a quick learning curve  holding at 6336kbs with noise at 6bd will see how it goes, had to resync just now as had cable hell but my netgear would not have synced so high at this time of night 

[Rik]

Toes crossed for you, Gary. Keep us posted.

[Gary]

I will  don't you worry Rik 

[Glenn]

Welcome aboard the good ship 2700HGV Gary, it's sitting lower in the water each week with the new converts

[Gary]

  It sure is

[Inactive]

I suspect that there must be as many members using the 2700's now as those that are not.

Keep us updated Gary, I am still using my Zyxel, which is fine on my line.

[Rik]

A piece of wet string would probably be fine on your line, In.

[Inactive]

A piece of wet string would probably be fine on your line, In.

Indeed Rik, tho' the Zyxel did show a slight improvement over my old BT 2100.

Both highly stable.

[Rik]

It would be quite interesting, given the quality of your line, to run a series of routers on it, and see how the compare. Shall we all come round with a router in hand?

[Gary]

Well my line after I rebooted at night due to cable issues (had to sort them out) stayed at 5436 with a snr of 8db, that's unheard of my netgear went down to 3db or lower, big difference with this box, resynched this morning to 6144 manually and have a snr of 7db brilliant on a line that has an attenuation of 48db, massive difference  this really is an awesome router

[Gary]

I have one question under the firewall there is strict udp session control, but it says that it may effect some applications, anyone with a 2wire using this setting?

[ReDGryphoN]

OH yes another 2700 Disciple..............

Muhahahahahahahah

Sorry have not had my coffee yet............

Welcome to the DARK SIDEmy friend..........

ReD

MAABOF

[Gary]

OH yes another 2700 Disciple..............

Muhahahahahahahah

Sorry have not had my coffee yet............

Welcome to the DARK SIDEmy friend..........

ReD

MAABOF

I have had three cups already, disabled remote management in the firewall and left udp session control off, think this is right, it has a few more settings than my old Netgear 

[Inactive]

It would be quite interesting, given the quality of your line, to run a series of routers on it, and see how the compare. Shall we all come round with a router in hand?

I have tried 3 different ones on it so far Rik, my Zyxel, a BT 2100 and a Talk Talk  ( read Philips ) one, the Zyxel is the best of the three.

[Rik]

So we just need you to try a 2700 now.

[Inactive]

So we just need you to try a 2700 now.

I really don't think that it would make a scrap of difference on my line Rik, I am sure I could squeeze a bit more out of it by cutting the redundant bell wires, but I am very happy with my existing speed, as I think most would be.

[Rik]

I know, In, but we need a report from someone on a good line to complete the picture.

[Gary]

Indeed  if on a long line I can sync to start with at 7070 my netgear never got above 6700 on a good day (it will drop later I know) what would you get on a short line with this router I wonder

[Rik]

Pure bliss?

[Inactive]

I have a deal, I buy the 2700, you pay.. 

[Rik]

That could be arranged.

[Inactive]

I have a better idea Rik, have a word with Simon at IDNet, get them to test one on a good line.

[Gary]

I'll rent them mine for a price 

[Inactive]

I'll rent them mine for a price 

Gertcha, you wouldn't part company with it now Gary.

[Rik]

I have a better idea Rik, have a word with Simon at IDNet, get them to test one on a good line.

I did think about it, but they have to buy them in large quantities, so it was a non-starter.

[Gary]

Sad that, I think 2wire only sell in the tens of thousands, maybe hundreds of thousands. More than IDNet could buy anyway, but ok for BT and AT&T

[Gary]

Gertcha, you wouldn't part company with it now Gary.

Your right Inactive, it would be like getting blood out of a stone 

[Inactive]

I did think about it, but they have to buy them in large quantities, so it was a non-starter.

They can get one from eBay like the rest of you.

[Gary]

Or just monitor our line stats 

[Simon]

I'm starting to feel jealous now.  I think I'm going to have to look at one of these in the new year.  Always a sucker for a new gadget! 

[Rik]

I've had a consistently higher sync speed (400K) plus a more stable noise margin (9db +1/-4) since I installed it Simon. The firewall seems more effective than the Netgear one.

The only problem I've found is that I can't get Inactive off my second desktop - see below. 

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[Simon]

[Gary]

I'm bound to lose sync in a minute, but its still holding at 7072 with 0db 

[Rik]

I'll watch for your light to go out then, Gary.

[Gary]

I'll watch for your light to go out then, Gary.

That went out years ago Rik 

[Glenn]

I havethe opposite problem - The lights are on but no one is at home 

[Rik]

My problem is that the lights are on - but they are all low-energy ones! 

[Gary]

My problem is that the lights are on - but they are all low-energy ones! 

Justina says mine are on but no one is home Rik, still on 7072 and that's after downloading windows updates and rebooting 

[Rik]

I'll bow to Justina's judgement then.

[Gary]

I'll bow to Justina's judgement then.

[Sebby]

I'm bound to lose sync in a minute, but its still holding at 7072 with 0db 

Does that not give you lots of uncorrected errors, and thus impact on throughput? I know it doesn't for everyone, but I used to get a lot of them (which adversely affected throughput) before I had BT manually set my target SNRM to 9dB. Now, the SNRM stays pretty solid through the day, and only falls to 8dB at night.

What causes you to get a 0dB SNRM anyway? Do you sync in the morning and it's degraded a lot come the evening?

[Rik]

I had BT manually set my target SNRM to 9dB. Now, the SNRM stays pretty solid through the day, and only falls to 8dB at night.

Snap.

[Ted]

What we need is a "forum 2700" for people to try and then pass on to the next member who would like to test.
I'll work on it

[Rik]

A circular router, Ted?

[Ted]

Got my eye on a few, on ebay (still looking for one to play with) if i get a good one at a good price, i'd be happy to donate it and people could test it for the cost of postage.

[Sebby]

I have to say, with all the praise the 2Wire gets, I've always been keen to try it, but I don't need to spend the money on another router, and I can't imagine it would be any better than my ST 585v6 on my line.

[Ann]

Be careful, this lot here are very good at encouraging people to spend money on new bits and bobs.  I would like to play with a 2Wire but they've put me off with all the techy talk.  It sounds too complicated to me.  This is a Good Thing as I really don't need to spend any more money.

[Glenn]

Ann, its simple to set up, you just need to follow these instructions http://bt2700hgv.tripod.com/ir1002700HGV.htm

[Ann]

Thanks.  I've bookmarked that URL and when I'm having a daft moment, I'll buy one and try it out.

[Ted]

Be careful, this lot here are very good at encouraging people to spend money on new bits and bobs.  I would like to play with a 2Wire but they've put me off with all the techy talk.  It sounds too complicated to me.  This is a Good Thing as I really don't need to spend any more money.

As Glenn said , they are easy to set up. Loads of information , on here and other places. If you're patient they needn't cost too much either.

[Den]

Ann, a 2wire 2700HGV can be bought already converted to run on any network and then it's just a matter of plugging in and entering your details. If a old  like me can do it anybody can and if you are a long way from the exchange then they are worth it. I am about two miles and part of the run is in alloy cable which is the worst type but I still get in excess of 6mb. 

[Kaiser Bill]

well, I just fired-up my new one, replacing a Netgear..... but I had a rare old time getting it going - I have no cable comnnection....wireless only  - and so far its synching 200kb less than before   

[Rik]

This is probably the worst time of day to sync a router in terms of speed. See what your noise margin is doing in the morning. If it's 1 or 2db above target, then re-sync.

What problems did you have with set up?

[Kaiser Bill]

the machine detected a wireless network, but wouldnt link...then I noticed the HGV wasnt showing a wireless light.... I linked them with cat5 (but no phoneline) for a fiddle, & eventually got it going when I changed from public to private, but I have no idea what the initial problem was.... still, its happy now. The netgear got me downloading at 1200kb with a synch at 1632....I was hoping this would bump me over 1750 into the next category...... I'm 4.7km from the exchange as the crow flies, so a lot longer as the line follows the road....maybe 6-7km

[Rik]

I found that, after forcing a factory reset, the router had a number of incorrect settings, eg MTU at 1492 and PPPoE. Once I changed them, everything fell into place, but I did set up via cable...

[Kaiser Bill]

well, I switched off this morning for a re-synch.... and now I've lost the wireless again...no l.e.d etc. I've put back the 834G, which works without complaint - unless I run cat 5, I'm stuck - the power here goes off about 3 times a week in the early hours, so the only alternative is to unplug the HGV, bring it upstairs, fire it up on cat 5, make sure the wireless is okay, & take it back down to the phone point again....& I'm not doing that 3 times a week!



any hints gratefully received

[Rik]

TBH, if you power is that unstable, you might want to think about a UPS for your system. I've lost power to my 2700 without losing the settings, so my hunch would be that the power outage is noisy and is scrambling the router memory. At the very least, try surge suppression.

[Kaiser Bill]

I know what you mean about the power Rik..but if I want to re-synch deliberately??? & the Netgear bats it off without a second glance - I supposed from the posts that the HGVs wireless was superior, but it seems a bit dicky to me - I guess I have a choice now of using homeplug or cat 5/6 for a direct link - I'd like to give the HGV a good run at my long line, so maybe I should shrug off the wireless network problem

[Rik]

Have you tried a normal, ie non-outage induced, re-boot. I'd be interested to know if it retains its settings in those conditions - it should.

Powerplugs are certainly a good alternative to wireless.

[Inactive]

Powerplugs are certainly a good alternative to wireless.

I read somewhere that their price is soon to fall dramatically due to newly developed chip.

[Rik]

Usually the day after I've bought them, In.

[Kaiser Bill]

Rik
it wasnt a power outage - it was a deliberate re-boot this morning (to achieve a higher sync as discussed yesterday) that knocked it out - (you remember I mentioned that initial firing up of the wireless was ropey ?) - I guess I went back to square 1 then.... I've put the Netgear back, but havent used a hard connection on the HGV since for a look-see

[Rik]

It's always possible you've got a duff 2700 - do you have any kind of warranty with the supplier?

[Inactive]

Usually the day after I've bought them, In.

well I have pre-warned you this time Rik.

[Rik]

True, In, and I thank you. I shall now wait till... Monday? 

[Kaiser Bill]

well, I fired it up 2 feet from the computer's aerial....zilch. Hard wired, all the settings are still there...so it loves ethernet, but has a thing against Marconi !

12m of cat 6 and lots of carpet lifting for me !   

[Rik]

Could there be anything in your settings which is not correct?

[Inactive]

True, In, and I thank you. I shall now wait till... Monday? 

Rumoured to be 2nd quarter, 2008.

[Rik]

Ah well, I wasn't in a rush... 

[Kaiser Bill]

who knows.... but the router is sitting next to me madly flashing it's red broadband LED (cos the phone wire isn't plugged in)....but no LED at all for the wireless. The only wireless signal I'm getting is the Netgear I'm talking to you with....yesterday, it was the same, & suddenly up popped the green LED! - as I say, I've just beeninto it & the settings are all there as they were yesterday when it worked - and the system settings must be okay, cos this signal is getting to you - so nothing has changed as far as I can see.

everyone who gets an HGV off the net knows in advance its chancy - poisoned or SBC (mine is SBC), and we give it a stab just to play about with some chance of improvement, so I cant moan too much - I know it routes, & the modem works, and as you comment on another thread, wireless is not the most stable way to network.... but its done for me up to now. So I have a choice - Netgear + wireless + not knowing if I could drive my speed up, or the wired alternative - whichever, its another bit of kit mouldering in my bits cupboard!  

[Rik]

It does sound like you may have a 'problem child'. Have you done a factory reset?

[Kaiser Bill]

just done it (factory reset)


the wireless re-appeared!


but I only get the option of channels 5, 6 & 7 now



its allllll verrrry odd!

[Gary]

just done it (factory reset)


the wireless re-appeared!


but I only get the option of channels 5, 6 & 7 now



its allllll verrrry odd!

The wirless light does not light up till you use it on my one  thats the way they are I think mine is not sbc though. and the wireless works fine also since you have the sbc firmware bumping up the wirless output may help, my N95 mobile would not connect on channel 1,2,3 on my one

[Kaiser Bill]

well, I've plugged it in - it synched at 1824  - thats stunning for me. With 63db downstream & a 9db margin...... I reckon that gets me 1.5meg (if I can hold it)..... about 500kb more than the netgear, and 1meg more than I had with my previous ISP

whatever, the sync is 200 better than I've ever managed before with any router, and thats powering-up at 0240hrs - I might get better at 8am  !    (I'm not trying that for a few days tho' !)


thanks for hinting at the factory reset Rik - I never considered it even having one til you mentioned it   - I'm obliged!

hope it keeps it up, I'm happy tho' ...... no additional wiring needed after all    (touch wood)  

[Lance]

Let's hope it holds up!

Like Gary, on my BT firmware, the wireless led only lights up when a connection is made to it.

[Rik]

Same on my SBC firmware, Lance. Like Kaiser, I also had some strange issues with wireless channels until I'd been through the router and changed it from MTU 1492 and PPPoE, to 1500/PPPoA.

[Kaiser Bill]

I appreciate that the LED only lights when the connection is there....but it wasnt - no broadcast at all detected by my network manager - then the factory reset and bingo!.... I'm using the router to write this, with a speedtest.net at 1480....in fact its just gone up again to 1518/325 ....I know thats peanuts for many of you, but out here in the boondocks, its a miracle!  - my near neighbour struggles at 256k

[ReDGryphoN]

Thats a good rate ! I live in the dark outlands too

My ONLY neighbour get 512K !! and he wont let me help him get more. I had 512K from BT and thats all it still says I can get.

I am rock solid at 2048 and get 1750 profile..... thanks to IDNET and the 2700

A winning combination.

ReD

MAABOF

[Kaiser Bill]

BLOW ME!!!


its just jumped another 100k !!!!       


Red..... if I get 2048, I'd be stunned.... its just gradually creeping up & up ~ I'm like you, I could only get 512 from Virgin on 8mbMax ~ I dont want to crow too early, but your comment is well justified!!   --- I was pleased as punch with the performance of the 834g, but so far this is stratospheric in comparison

as an aside, I fidled with the wireless power... I get a 'fair' connection at 4 - I boosted it all the way to 10 for a try, & the reception only improved by one bar on the chart - so I knocked it down again - (I had thought if I bumped up to 6 it would make a massive difference, but not so)
heres me with things to do, & I'm glued to speedtest

[ReDGryphoN]

Bill,

Well my attn is 58.5dB and I can make 2048 comfortably at a Noise margin of 12.

Best of my other 5 routers (DMT tweaked and not) was just over 1 meg.....................and then it would fall over 4 times a day..........

The 2700 just sits there, end of. 71 days is my record connection period and I only powered if off cos I was away for a long weekend.

Whaterver the 2700 does it does very well indeed

ReD

MAABOF

[Glenn]

Bill,

Well my attn is 58.5dB and I can make 2048 comfortably at a Noise margin of 12.

Best of my other 5 routers (DMT tweaked and not) was just over 1 meg.....................and then it would fall over 4 times a day..........

The 2700 just sits there, end of. 71 days is my record connection period and I only powered if off cos I was away for a long weekend.

Whaterver the 2700 does it does very well indeed

ReD

MAABOF

My attn shows as 60.2db on the stats page, the noise margin is set at 9db by BT.

Currently my 2700 is connecting at 3456 with a 3000 profile, my Netgear 834 was on a 1750 profile. Like you I have not done a thing to the router, it has not reset or re-trained in 45 days so far.

[cavillas]

My us Robotics 1906 (2.5years old) shows an
Att 49
snr 11.4
attainable rate 4176
actual rate 3648

This has been like this for the past 40 days since my last reboot, it never varies and seems very stable.  I am 2.7 Km away from the exchange.
Would I ba able to improve on this if I got  a 2wire?

[Glenn]

Alf, I'm approx 5km from the exchange and it improved things for me

[Rik]

Hi Alf, I'm 3.6k from the exchange, with an attenuation of 56db (thin aluminium) and I gained 400k. If you can try one, it would be well worthwhile based on my experience and others here. As with anything ADSL, no guarantees, but I think you'll see an improvement.