Filtered faceplate and RJ11

[Ted]

Rather than move the router downstairs which would be very inconvenient, i thought i'd do this......
Fit an ADSLnation filtered faceplate to the NTe5 box and run a double shielded RJ11 cable to the router upstairs (about 7or 8 meters)and disconnect the extension, no more need for it.
Any problems with that??
Also, i've been synced at 7616  for the last 19 days and reading one of the docs from the FAQ pages it would appear that 7616 is the highest attainable with interleaving turned on. Is this correct?
Should i ask for interleaving to be turned off?

[Rik]

I'd use Cat5 or Cat6 to do the cable run, rather than CW1308, Ted. Other than that, it should work fine.

7616 is the highest notional sync with interleaving on, but some DSLAMs will actually sync at 8128. Whether you want to get it turned off really depends on your error count. If it's reasonably low, then it might be worthwhile, though I doubt you'll notice any gain in speed - but pings should improve if they matter to you.

[Ted]

Do you mean cat5 cable with rj11 plugs on both ends?

[Ted]

AH i think you mean this click

would one of These from ADSLnation be ok?

[Rik]

The ADSL nation would be nearer the mark, Ted, but I was thinking of a standard Cat5 run, and crimping on the RJ11 connectors. OTOH, if the 10m is adequate, that's a quick solution. The twist of Cat5 is much tighter than CW1308, so will keep interference pick up to a minimum.

[Ted]

I could make one, i have the tools as i usually make up my own patch cables. The ADSLnation one looks good to me though, it states twisted and foiled to cat5e standard, would also be more than long enough at 10m.
I'll get ordering then

[Rik]

I'm sure it will do just nicely.

[Sebby]

I believe ADSL Nation sell 10m twisted pair with RJ11 connectors, if you don't fancy making your own. :-)

[Rik]

That's what Ted has ordered, Sebby.

[Ted]

Tried to order the faceplate and cable earlier but just my luck the checkout facility has thrown a wobbly and gone on strike!!
Gave them a call and they are "looking into it" 
Never mind try again tomorrow.

[Rik]

It's only trying to save you money, Ted.

[Ted]

Ah yes! But on the other hand "No Pay(n) no gain"

[Sebby]

That's what Ted has ordered, Sebby.

I must learn to read more thoroughly when browsing the forum on my mobile... 

[Ted]

Faceplate and cable arrived today from Adsl Nation and have been fitted. Still syncing at 7616, the NM seems to be pretty stable at 12 and has been for a while dropping slightly in the evenings, perhaps 11 and sometimes 10. What would be an acceptable amount of errors?
The attenuation has also dropped from 27.6 to 26.4

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[Sebby]

The best thing to do is post your errors and we can have a look.

Basically, you needn't worry about corrected errors; it's the uncorrected errors that can be a problem. It's difficult to put a figure on it, but usually by looking I can say whether it's fine or excessively high.

[Ted]

OK i'll give it a few days and post the figures

[g7pkf]

Everyone keeps on about adsl nation faceplates now my 2 cents worth.

I have one and had it installed for a week then i had the oppertunity to try one of these:-

http://www.solwise.co.uk/adsl_splitters.htm

for me it was better.

No you read right better than the adsl nation.

so i took both apart-I am a qualified electronics engineer (hnd) and have an hnc in telecommunications.

the build of the clarity was much better just visually-the components were better quality.

Not saying the adsl nation was not better than the "standard" just the clarity beet it hands down.

Sorry to upset (if i do) just feel that people should have the benefit of my many many many line problems and attempts to fix them...and yes my line is now stable, much to BT SFI team who were very "pi***d" that using a third party piece of equipment (along with a "hacked" router-a 2700HGV) solved my issues when they had run out of ideas and 14 visits from them including 2 from an engineer from martlesham and 3 different special filters.

Regards

Dean G7PKF

[Ann]

I got this one.. hadn't heard of adsl nation then..

http://www.clarity.it/xcart/product.php?productid=16134&cat=262&page=1

[g7pkf]

Well done you found the link to the other one i tried (i couldnt find it)

and yes they are esentially the same (results were at least)

and yes i got my company to pay for all these tests (including the purchase of 18 different routers)

I integrated my problems with testing equipment for my companies VOIP hosted services.

IN other words i am not "loaded" with money to burn.

Dean

G7PKF

[Ted]

Everyone keeps on about adsl nation faceplates now my 2 cents worth.

I have one and had it installed for a week then i had the oppertunity to try one of these:-

http://www.solwise.co.uk/adsl_splitters.htm

for me it was better.

No you read right better than the adsl nation.

so i took both apart-I am a qualified electronics engineer (hnd) and have an hnc in telecommunications.

the build of the clarity was much better just visually-the components were better quality.

Not saying the adsl nation was not better than the "standard" just the clarity beet it hands down.

Sorry to upset (if i do) just feel that people should have the benefit of my many many many line problems and attempts to fix them...and yes my line is now stable, much to BT SFI team who were very "pi***d" that using a third party piece of equipment (along with a "hacked" router-a 2700HGV) solved my issues when they had run out of ideas and 14 visits from them including 2 from an engineer from martlesham and 3 different special filters.

Regards

Dean G7PKF

I think you should calm down a little bit your post sounds very stressed. Its only an internet connection!!

"Visually the components were better quality"
How?

"Not saying the adsl nation was not better than the "standard" just the clarity beet it hands down."
Sorry i don't understand!?

Ted

[g7pkf]

Im not stressed, far from it glass of wine in hand.

the components were proper transformers and the components were laid out with isolation in mind

the solwise was better than the adslnation which in turn was better than a "standard" the difference in performance (adsl-voice isolation snr attenuation etc) was minimal but there was a small difference.

I must add ann's clarity post just prompted me to go look and i have the clarity fitted at the moment on the main line.

an unstressed G7PKF currently drinking wine and building a nixie clock which i just got working so i had to mention it

[Ted]

Is this better on just your line or would i be better off with one of these?

So is it a "clarity" or a "solwise" filter you have?

[Lance]

It's always good to have more opinions on the forum, even if they go against the grain!

I wonder if the adslnation ones are now not being made to quite the same standard as they once were, or whether the solwise one has been improved to better the adslnation?

[Ted]

Is that the Solwise or the Clarity or are they the same thing? Could someone please "clarify"

[Lance]

I think Solwise and Clarity are completely different companies, and therefore the filters are different (although perform the same function).

I believe BT do/used to provide Solwise filters with their products.

[Ted]

Thanks Lance, i thought they weren't the same.

Its just that "it looks better" and "it was better for me" don't mean very much.

Also, "Not saying the adsl nation was not better than the "standard" just the clarity beet it hands down."

And then, "the difference in performance (adsl-voice isolation snr attenuation etc) was minimal but there was a small difference".

Makes no sense to me. How minimal was the small difference?

[Lance]

That's hard to quantify. Give the two/three different filters to Joe Bloggs next door, and he will tell you there is no difference. Give the filters to a trained engineer and there will be a small, but likely to be unnoticeable in real life, difference.

Ultimately, all three of the mentioned filters should work better (cancel/block noise) than a one-piece 99p effort.

[Rik]

From what I've read over the years, the ADSL xf-1e is the best 'soap on a rope' filter, but I've regularly seen people recommend the Solwise faceplate in preference.

[Sebby]

I've never considered component quality in the past, but I was always under the impression that the "make up" of the ADSL Nation filters was better than others.

Like Lance says, in reality - as long as it's not an ultra cheap one - the difference will more than likely be negligable.

[Inactive]

Well I had 2 " soap on a rope " BT filters that came with my BT Voyager Router/Modem, both failed within a couple of months.

I replaced them with Solwise plug in type filters, never had a problem since, not sure if that helps anyone.

[Gary]

Adsl nation faceplate xte 2005 here for over a year and going strong, I thing maybe there are in most manufacturing situations good batches and bad batches, I'm happy with my faceplate and if you are with yours that all that matters in the end, there is not a definitive right or wrong as long as its not as said a cheap 99p jobby 

[Inactive]

there is not a definitive right or wrong as long as its not as said a cheap 99p jobby 

I have a feeling mine were about 99p each Gary.. 

[Rik]

On your line, In, you could get away with wet string. Or even a real soap on a rope! 

[Gary]

On your line, In, you could get away with wet string. Or even a real soap on a rope! 

I'll fit the wet string 

[Sebby]

On your line, In, you could get away with wet string. Or even a real soap on a rope! 

I wish I had a good line. With an average line like mine, I guess everything makes more of a difference, i.e. filter, router, RJ11 lead; whereas a good line is good with just about anything.

[Rik]

Yup. Life's so unfair.

[Sebby]

Still, I can't complain with my current position. I know there are people far worse off when it comes to ADSL. My 2Wire is doing great and I've got enough sync (>5120k) for a 4500 profile; pretty good for a 47dB line.  8)

[Rik]

As I limp along on my 2500 profile with 56db of attenuation... 

[Sebby]

 

[Inactive]

At least you have a working 2700 Seb.. 

[Sebby]

True, true. I should be more appreciative. 

[g7pkf]

That's hard to quantify. Give the two/three different filters to Joe Bloggs next door, and he will tell you there is no difference. Give the filters to a trained engineer and there will be a small, but likely to be unnoticeable in real life, difference.

Ultimately, all three of the mentioned filters should work better (cancel/block noise) than a one-piece 99p effort.

yes your quite right the differance was very small between the clarity/solwise/adsl nation.

If you have one of these (and it works) i would not bother changing to another if i was buying one for the first time i would buy the clarity.

if i had a bt-50 (soap on a rope) i would change it. like i did for my neighbours they have the adsl nation faceplate (yes i fitted it for them) and they have much better line specs than me but they are living in  a brand new house with all extensions on cat 5. the only problem they did have is all (10 in total) extensions were masters so i had to convert them to slaves. Handy though as i have access to there 2700 wirelesley (yes i sold them one!) so if i need to test access to my system servers to test remote access i can.

but before doing any equipment changes the best thing to do would be get wiring sorted, that ultimately seems to cause most of the problems users experiance.  the trouble is especially in older houses wiring has been added and added to (most of the time) not by people who care about adsl as it was not about at the time.

just as an example there was a practice (quite a while ago) where even bt engineer's were "lazy" and to get round the ring wire problem they would use another master socket hence saving running cables (they could use the spare pair only)

in summary if you are suffering from dropouts or poor line stats i would do the following in this order:-

sort out wiring especially extension wiring. try removing the ring wire (check the phones still ring on incoming calls) try disconnecting temporarily everything off the master socket and reconnect one by one to see what is causing the problem-this is easily done if you have an nte5 by using the test socket behind the front plate (if more than 1 extension and/or piece of equipment is connected) check that any extension points are not master's.

change to an nte5 socket with a clarity faceplate.

use a cat 5 cable from faceplate to router (as short as possible) or even use a cat5 screened or cat 6 cable.

change to a 2700 if possible.

Move house closer to exchange.

do not do what i did and move miles away from exchange with a main railway line at the bottom of your garden, with a house full of master sockets totally bodged in.

[Rik]

do not do what i did and move miles away from exchange with a main railway line at the bottom of your garden, with a house full of master sockets totally bodged in.

Unless, of course, you have the skills to resolve the problems.

[g7pkf]

Even i am still pulling my hair out.

i still lose connection once a week or so  , the snr still drops when trains go past  .

BUT I have a cunning plan  ! once the extension is built i have to move all services (as they are presently apx 1 foot in the foundations) so i am going to bring the phone line in at that point (a garage and the point where it would make my bt line the shortest possible) and terminate at that point then do a complete re-wire using cat 5 and place router phone bases (inc one for all) and pbx all at that point.

If that doesn't sort it i don't know what will, and i will be in the same situation as you Rik awaiting fibre to the home! living in a vilage i bet that will be many years away, hopefully bt will see sense and put in fibre to the village and split it off there-that would save 2 things 1 they have run out of lines on the exchange to village cable, and the obvious adsl improvements.

[Rik]

i will be in the same situation as you Rik awaiting fibre to the home!

I'd settle for FTTC.

[Ted]

I'd settle for FTTC.

NEWS FLASH!!
Reports coming into the BBC indicate that several pigs have been spotted flying over MK and headed towards North Wales

[Rik]

These the ones, Ted?