Filtered faceplate and RJ11

Ted · Jan 11, 2008, 23:36:57

Thanks Lance, i thought they weren't the same.

Its just that "it looks better" and "it was better for me" don't mean very much.

Also, "Not saying the adsl nation was not better than the "standard" just the clarity beet it hands down."

And then, "the difference in performance (adsl-voice isolation snr attenuation etc) was minimal but there was a small difference".

Makes no sense to me. How minimal was the small difference?

Lance · Jan 11, 2008, 23:41:49

That's hard to quantify. Give the two/three different filters to Joe Bloggs next door, and he will tell you there is no difference. Give the filters to a trained engineer and there will be a small, but likely to be unnoticeable in real life, difference.

Ultimately, all three of the mentioned filters should work better (cancel/block noise) than a one-piece 99p effort.

Rik · Jan 12, 2008, 00:13:03

From what I've read over the years, the ADSL xf-1e is the best 'soap on a rope' filter, but I've regularly seen people recommend the Solwise faceplate in preference.

Sebby · Jan 12, 2008, 00:34:53

I've never considered component quality in the past, but I was always under the impression that the "make up" of the ADSL Nation filters was better than others.

Like Lance says, in reality - as long as it's not an ultra cheap one - the difference will more than likely be negligable.

Inactive · Jan 12, 2008, 00:52:33

Well I had 2 " soap on a rope " BT filters that came with my BT Voyager Router/Modem, both failed within a couple of months.

I replaced them with Solwise plug in type filters, never had a problem since, not sure if that helps anyone.

Gary · Jan 12, 2008, 00:59:34

Adsl nation faceplate xte 2005 here for over a year and going strong, I thing maybe there are in most manufacturing situations good batches and bad batches, I'm happy with my faceplate and if you are with yours that all that matters in the end, there is not a definitive right or wrong as long as its not as said a cheap 99p jobby

Inactive · Jan 12, 2008, 01:01:34

Quote from: Killhippie on Jan 12, 2008, 00:59:34
there is not a definitive right or wrong as long as its not as said a cheap 99p jobby

I have a feeling mine were about 99p each Gary..

Rik · Jan 12, 2008, 01:02:56

On your line, In, you could get away with wet string.

Or even a real soap on a rope!

Gary · Jan 12, 2008, 01:06:00

Quote from: Rik on Jan 12, 2008, 01:02:56
On your line, In, you could get away with wet string. Or even a real soap on a rope!

I'll fit the wet string

Sebby · Jan 12, 2008, 01:34:19

Quote from: Rik on Jan 12, 2008, 01:02:56
On your line, In, you could get away with wet string. Or even a real soap on a rope!

I wish I had a good line. With an average line like mine, I guess everything makes more of a difference, i.e. filter, router, RJ11 lead; whereas a good line is good with just about anything.

Rik · Jan 12, 2008, 01:34:59

Yup. Life's so unfair.

Sebby · Jan 12, 2008, 01:38:54

Still, I can't complain with my current position. I know there are people far worse off when it comes to ADSL. My 2Wire is doing great and I've got enough sync (>5120k) for a 4500 profile; pretty good for a 47dB line. 8)

Rik · Jan 12, 2008, 01:41:52

As I limp along on my 2500 profile with 56db of attenuation...

Sebby · Jan 12, 2008, 01:44:58

Inactive · Jan 12, 2008, 01:46:27

At least you have a working 2700 Seb..

Sebby · Jan 12, 2008, 01:48:45

True, true. I should be more appreciative.

g7pkf · Jan 12, 2008, 07:34:40

Quote from: Lance on Jan 11, 2008, 23:41:49
That's hard to quantify. Give the two/three different filters to Joe Bloggs next door, and he will tell you there is no difference. Give the filters to a trained engineer and there will be a small, but likely to be unnoticeable in real life, difference.

Ultimately, all three of the mentioned filters should work better (cancel/block noise) than a one-piece 99p effort.

yes your quite right the differance was very small between the clarity/solwise/adsl nation.

If you have one of these (and it works) i would not bother changing to another if i was buying one for the first time i would buy the clarity.

if i had a bt-50 (soap on a rope) i would change it. like i did for my neighbours they have the adsl nation faceplate (yes i fitted it for them) and they have much better line specs than me but they are living in a brand new house with all extensions on cat 5. the only problem they did have is all (10 in total) extensions were masters so i had to convert them to slaves. Handy though as i have access to there 2700 wirelesley (yes i sold them one!) so if i need to test access to my system servers to test remote access i can.

but before doing any equipment changes the best thing to do would be get wiring sorted, that ultimately seems to cause most of the problems users experiance. the trouble is especially in older houses wiring has been added and added to (most of the time) not by people who care about adsl as it was not about at the time.

just as an example there was a practice (quite a while ago) where even bt engineer's were "lazy" and to get round the ring wire problem they would use another master socket hence saving running cables (they could use the spare pair only)

in summary if you are suffering from dropouts or poor line stats i would do the following in this order:-

sort out wiring especially extension wiring. try removing the ring wire (check the phones still ring on incoming calls) try disconnecting temporarily everything off the master socket and reconnect one by one to see what is causing the problem-this is easily done if you have an nte5 by using the test socket behind the front plate (if more than 1 extension and/or piece of equipment is connected) check that any extension points are not master's.

change to an nte5 socket with a clarity faceplate.

use a cat 5 cable from faceplate to router (as short as possible) or even use a cat5 screened or cat 6 cable.

change to a 2700 if possible.

Move house closer to exchange.

do not do what i did and move miles away from exchange with a main railway line at the bottom of your garden, with a house full of master sockets totally bodged in.

Rik · Jan 12, 2008, 10:04:09

Quote from: g7pkf on Jan 12, 2008, 07:34:40
do not do what i did and move miles away from exchange with a main railway line at the bottom of your garden, with a house full of master sockets totally bodged in.

Unless, of course, you have the skills to resolve the problems.

g7pkf · Jan 13, 2008, 08:06:49

Even i am still pulling my hair out.

i still lose connection once a week or so

, the snr still drops when trains go past

.

BUT I have a cunning plan

! once the extension is built i have to move all services (as they are presently apx 1 foot in the foundations) so i am going to bring the phone line in at that point (a garage and the point where it would make my bt line the shortest possible) and terminate at that point then do a complete re-wire using cat 5 and place router phone bases (inc one for all) and pbx all at that point.

If that doesn't sort it i don't know what will, and i will be in the same situation as you Rik awaiting fibre to the home! living in a vilage i bet that will be many years away, hopefully bt will see sense and put in fibre to the village and split it off there-that would save 2 things 1 they have run out of lines on the exchange to village cable, and the obvious adsl improvements.

Rik · Jan 13, 2008, 09:51:38

Quote from: g7pkf on Jan 13, 2008, 08:06:49
i will be in the same situation as you Rik awaiting fibre to the home!

I'd settle for FTTC.

Ted · Jan 13, 2008, 18:39:47

Quote from: Rik on Jan 13, 2008, 09:51:38
I'd settle for FTTC.

NEWS FLASH!!
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Rik · Jan 13, 2008, 18:44:44

These the ones, Ted?