Is it only Bill an Me capped to 2mb ?

[Xbandito]

Just a little survey to find out how many of us "IDNetters" have achived higher speed
I.E. 1mb up and beyond 2mb
      2mb up and beyond 4mb   

[Glenn]

I'm sync'ing at 3520K, but real world d/l's are max'ing at around 185KB/s, I just got that with the 10mb test file from Zen

[Adam]

I can't get over 2mb throughput, and am syncing at rates of ~5700Kbps.

Adam

[EDIT: Make that 5216 kbps now. ]

[sobranie]

still stuck @ 2Mb.
Synch 8128
SNR 17db down
SNR 22db up

[MarkZX12R]

Stop moaning you lot, i`m still stuck on 1meg

[Xbandito]

Stop moaning you lot, i`m still stuck on 1meg

Well stop being a "tight fisted Welshman" and spend less on the bike   

[MarkZX12R]

My bike will always have priority, so far max dsl sucks, at this rate bt will have me back on dial-up!

[Xbandito]

My bike will always have priority, so far max dsl sucks, at this rate bt will have US ALL back on dial-up!

[Bill]

still stuck @ 2Mb.
Synch 8128
SNR 17db down
SNR 22db up

Has anyone syncing at 8128 had the cap removed? I'm wondering if BT might be letting the slower lines out first...

[Coopes]

Ok help me out here this is what my router is telling me.
448 Kbps Upstream, 2688 Kbps Downstream. never move for 4 hours.
now how do I find out what i'm syncing at?

[Simon_idnet]

My home circuit has sync'd at 8128 but can't manage a throughput higher than 2Mb. I spent a long time on the phone with BT today and they couldn't/wouldn't give me an answer that makes sense. We're not even allowed to report a fault on a line until the 10 day period is up.
Simon

[Adam]

I'm syncing at ~6ish atm, and have actual speeds of about ~5.

http://www.adslguide.org.uk/tools/speedchart.asp?id=a9c7041f10a65e148387e11f7e8



Adam

[MarkZX12R]

4864 here and actual speed of 2059! at least im back up to 2meg.....it will never last

[Bill]

Ok help me out here this is what my router is telling me.
448 Kbps Upstream, 2688 Kbps Downstream. never move for 4 hours.
now how do I find out what i'm syncing at?

They are your sync speeds- you're sync'd at 2688Kbps downstream (not to good), 448Kbps upstream (highest it will go)

[Sto]

Sync'd at 8128 kbps and still capped at 2mbit speeds.

"Has anyone syncing at 8128 had the cap removed? I'm wondering if BT might be letting the slower lines out first..."

Thats a good point, ive not seen anyone in any forum say they sync at 8128 kbps AND have the cap removed, but seen a lot have 8128 kbps and still a cap.

Now i wish i was capped at 7000kbps 

[Bill]

I've put a post up in Broadband Chatter, we'll see if anyone can shoot me down.

Not that there's anything we can do about it either way

[Coopes]

Checked with BT the best I can expect is 3500 

[Xbandito]

Sync'd at 8128 kbps and still capped at 2mbit speeds.
Now i wish i was capped at 7000kbps 

Well I am getting there.....down to 7024kbps now, still 2mb 
This time tomorrow I will be approx 5xxx   

"Checked with BT the best I can expect is 3500"

My check -:
"Our initial test on your line indicates that you should be able to have BT Broadband with download speeds up to 4Mb."
       When  ?

[Scott]

Nah...me too. However without any empirical evidence I'd say browsing feels punchier. This is definitely one of those times when it's best to kick back, chill out and let thinks happen.

[Bill]

Well, a couple of hours, a few hundred views and a minor spat with Phil Yarwell later- no takers for 8128 with no cap 

Look like we just have to wait it out...

[Xbandito]

  just been reading them.....I was waiting for the "minor spat" to grow 

[Bill]

I'd be very wary of getting into a serious spat with Phil- he knows his stuff. I think this time he either mis-read or mis-understood my post.

It happens...[shrug]

[Jeff]

Sto (welcome m8), lower sync speed might not make much of a difference, there`s more to this Max than BT are telling us I suspect.

I`m synced at 7, maximum kilobytes per seconds (this is what you see in the window when you`re downloading to those folk who haven`t figured out that sync speed and throughput are different ) I can acheive right now is 125kb/sec. If I sync at 4MBit, it won`t change I suspect. Contention all over again

[Xbandito]

I thought "contention" was a thing of the past with Max   

[Bill]

I thought "contention" was a thing of the past with Max   

From Simon:

BT no longer quote 'Contention ratios' for their products. They say that they have now "progressed" to describing performance in terms of "End User experience" which in turn is expressed in terms of "data throughput"...... hmmm

(Here: http://bbs.adslguide.org.uk/showthreaded.php?Cat=&Board=idnet&Number=2353858)

As my grandmother would have said- "Same thing, different hat on".

[Xbandito]

ah well....BT all over 

[Jeff]

 The only way contention will be a thing of the past is if BT were to invest some of the billions and billions of pounds profit they have made from us over the years, into ensuring that there is enough capacity in exchanges to cope with demand.

Did a little thinking before (dangerous, I know) but there have been 6 housing estates built within the last 6 months in my area. Has this been provisioned in the exchange? Apparently not This is without the natural progression of people migrating from Dial-up/ISDN and upgrading to higher speeds.

[Bill]

You expect forward planning?

I live in the South-east, right? Where are all the water shortages? Where are the new houses being built at the whim of that fat git Prescott.... 

OK, rant over for tonight...

[Jeff]

Hey, there`s a special place here just for you

[Bill]

Phssttt... I'd just heard a clip on the local news muttering about hosepipe bans and water meters and standpipes etc, and read your post at the wrong moment 

[Jeff]

You`d think they could build a pipeline North to South in this day and age, we`ve loads of water up here! Then again, water board could just fix all the leaks in existing, can`t remember exactly how many millions of litres are wasted thru leakages :\

[MarkZX12R]

    3311 Kbps (413.9 KB/sec)     3575 Kbps (inc. overheads)....this morning

[Coopes]

Mine has gone up twice this morning 2688 to 2912 to 2944 if it keep going at that I should
hit the 3500 that bt say I should be getting.

Mark you spend more time on here that I do

[MarkZX12R]

Well now that i am on my own once again ...i can spend as much time as i want on the net without the fear of the silent treatment and as i work at home the skys the limit!

[Xbandito]

You`d think they could build a pipeline North to South in this day and age, we`ve loads of water up here!

Well the water here in North Wales, supplys the likes of Manchester, Liverpool etc etc.......and Guess what, we pay more in water rates than they do...yet we supply them   

[Coopes]

Just been made redundant mate so on here all the time looking for work. what job do you do Mark

[MarkZX12R]

I`m a registered carer and i fix pc`s part time

[Coopes]

I fix pc as well, trouble is to many people at it to make a living at it
and when you try to get a job in I.T everybody wants experiance.

[MarkZX12R]

I dont want to make a living at it, i hate the things but i know what you mean, lots of people doing it around here. the trouble is that i spend so much time sorting other peoples pc`s that i neglect mine

[Jeff]

   3311 Kbps (413.9 KB/sec)     3575 Kbps (inc. overheads)....this morning

Isn`t Max strange, I`m synced at 7.008Mbit and my throughput is 425KB/sec

[cavillas]

 ;DI'm synched at 5.5 and dl at 4-4.5

[Xbandito]

Synced at 7.616mbit and speed test gives me 547.85kbps (downloading at 626kbps) just to throw a spanner in the works 

[BulletRAFC]

I'm sync'd 3520 kbps (d/l) and 448 kbps (u/p) with a speed test of 2479 Kbps, and i'm currently downloading at 360 kB/s

[Bill]

The cap appears to be being lifted...

http://www.adslguide.org.uk/tools/speedchart.asp?id=f4c7832d10a6a75e2f0820c18e1

[Glenn]

I'm sync'd at 3624 but I'm not even getting 512 speeds

http://www.adslguide.org.uk/tools/speedchart.asp?id=a104a36410a6abdc7bc4396367e

[MarkZX12R]

4384 kbps sync and speed is 3289 kbps which i will be more than happy with if it stays that way.

[Scott]

My stats as at 19:05 today:


Configured    Current
Line Status    ---                   SHOWTIME
Link Type    ---                    Fast Path

Data Rate
Stream Type                           Actual Data Rate
Up Stream                            448 (Kbps.)
Down Stream                          8128 (Kbps.)

Operation Data
Operation Data    Upstream    Downstream
Noise Margin      27 dB         11 dB
Attenuation       25 dB          25 dB

Defect Indication
Indicator Name                         Near End Indicator    Far End Indicator
Fast Path FEC Correction    9                                 0
Interleaved Path FEC Correction 0                            0
Fast Path CRC Error               14                                   890
Interleaved Path CRC Error    0                               0
Loss of Signal Defect                 0                                     ---
Fast Path HEC Error                9                                    0
Interleaved Path HEC Error    0                                0

Statistics
Received Cells                            1523215
Transmitted Cells                  434389

Noise and Atten. figures look to be ok...I guess I just need to site here and continue to wait out at < 2Mb speeds  oh well....

[Jeff]

There aren`t too many errors in there neither Scott

[Scott]

Yeah 

Looks pretty good for a decent connection...I wonder if the BT learning algo is just sitting there going...."come on....there MUST be something wrong on this line...let me disconn and synch lower...go on...please" 

Hopefully as they say no news is good news and my synch will be <> speeds once it stops watching the line 

[Jeff]

Summit else I read yesterday, apparently BT are purposely holding back on throughput until MSR is set during the 10 day training period as they are more interested in what lines can actually sync at. This would explain the poor throughput reported by a lot of people and indeed, those with apparently good connections stuck on 2Mbit throughput :\

[Scott]

All,

Here's a very useful explanation of the high synch / poor throughput following an upgrade to Max that some people may be experiencing. Was this what you were referring to Jeff ?
Cheers

S

[Scott]

Huzzah and whoop-de-doo...whatever magic was needed has been done 

[Jeff]

I dunno Scott ... I read a lot!

Hey, nice speeds man ... ye ^%$£")&! j/k

[Xbandito]

Huzzah and whoop-de-doo...whatever magic was needed has been done 

You know what he's done.......



He's paid for 1/1 contention   

[Jeff]

LMAO

[Scott]

You know what he's done.......
He's paid for 1/1 contention   

RoFL....too tight but I'd love to :0) !!??!
That's one of the things on the list when the lottery numbers come up though 

[Jeff]

Hey, I wonder why we`ve never come across any business punters either here or at AG? Must be that "Enhanced Care" package that Miriam and Simon deliver personally They don`t wanna rub shoulders with us home peasants

[Xbandito]

Hey, I wonder why we`ve never come across any business punters either here or at AG? Must be that "Enhanced Care" package that Miriam and Simon deliver personally They don`t wanna rub shoulders with us home peasants

Oh come on....most business punters will be doing what Scott's doing 

[Scott]

Oh come on....most business punters will be doing what Scott's doing 

Wha...gettin' pissed ? 

[Jeff]

LMAO ... have we ever had sober Fridays??

[roland]

OK the magic 72 hrs has been and gone and still stuck on my old speed.

Nice looking at the 7200 synch speed been looking at it for 3 days) but would be nice to see what it really means.

[MarkZX12R]

Well i`m happy with max dsl, gone from 1meg to just under 3.5 meg

[B52]

Yep, mine is upto 4.2Mb this am. Started slowly but over 3 days has gradually increased from the upgrade from 1Mb to 2, yesterday 3ish. Todays is the highest its been. Not expecting anymore. If it stays like this, Im happy.

[roland]

Perhaps that is the problem - mine went straight to 7200 sync (and now 8128 using a wireless router on the master socket) but cannot break the 2M cap. Would be nice to see what the connection could actually do.

[Scott]

LMAO ... have we ever had sober Fridays??

Hell no !!?

[Jeff]

Or Sundays *hic*

[Speedfreak]

I just rebooted my router after been capped for 5 days 2 hrs later the speed went through the roof!

Happy chappy now

[Jeff]

Good stuff ... yer lucky you`re router stayed up for that long

Welcome to IDNetters man

[Speedfreak]

Thanks for the welcome...good to be here.

[pazzaTgreat]

I'm a new migrant to IDnet and I did have the cap of 2MB since I use a router and it was left on etc etc.

However, as of this morning, been getting rollercoaster speeds ranging from 2.5 Mbit up to 6Mbit - my best download this morning was a whopping 760KB per second.

I am synching at 8128/448 and have an SNR margin of 14/22 down/up

I tried the switch off your router overnight malarkey on Sunday - and I appear to have a new BRAS letting some whopping speeds through now althrough they are arratic during the 10 day training session.

Hope that hasn't annoyed anyone 

[Speedfreak]

Welcome to the fastlane bud.

[Jeff]

Welcome pazza

Max speeds erratic eh? Well, as this is unfolding we can expect this as the norm. While Max means that we don`t have the traditional 20:1 and 50:1 contention ratios at the exchange anymore, it doesn`t mean that it isn`t prioritised. There is a heirachy which is digitally determined but I have no further info. on this yet, but the way I see things, peak time congestion still exists. It has been mentioned that most of us will be lucky to see throughput of around 2Mbit during peak times (even if synced way higher than that) and those of us unlucky enough to be on a congested exchange may not even see that.

For example, if my peak time throughput was 0.5Mbit pre-MaxDSL even if I was synced at 2Mbit, then it will remain that way post-MaxDSL. All MaxDSL does is allows you throughput up to 8Mbit (minus overheads) but will be lower if you can`t sync at 8Mbit (obviously) and during busy times ... I doubt whether any BT exchange can cope with every ADSL punter downloading at 800+ KB/sec

[pazzaTgreat]

Thanks for the welcome guys.

On an unrelated note - it is *VERY* refreshing to be able to talk to humans at the other end of a support line within seconds AND those humans to be both, well -human- and KNOWLEDGEABLE! Simon and Miriam are a breath of fresh air to my ISP disillusioned self.

To reply to Jeff's point - yes the Max product is uncontended in the traditional sense but that doesn't necessarily mean BT don't plan to have some infrastructure to support most punters getting the MAX out of their connection.  Their overall business model which is to eventually to support TV on demand will need the vast majority of subscribers to be able to get near max throughput and they will no doubt eventually get ADSL2+ or VDSL adopted.  They won't push fibre to the home as that will prove too costly short term until some ADSL returns start generating the requisite profits.

Whoops - long tirade there but my point was to be ....

I agree with Jeff insofar as us early adopters will suffer until such time as the BT network is capable of delivering their plans. and they may plan to get as far as delivering HDTV on demand - think of the data rate which would be required to deliver real time broadcasting.

Of course, I might well have picked some of this up wrong.

[Jeff]

We are miles away from getting HDTV on demand m8 Two cons: Bandwidth costs and infrastructure. Both need radically sorting out and most won`t get decent ADSL2+ sync rates ... there is a checker somewhere but can`t remember where I spotted it. I`d be lucky to sync any higher than I currently do with Max as I`m too far from exchange.

VDSL would deffo be the way to go but requires fibre, but as we know, ADSL signals can't pass through the conversion from analogue to digital to analogue which is that occurs if a portion of a telephone circuit comes through fibre, so the precedent would have to be decided ... I can`t see BT ripping out the copper to replace with fibre neither Vicious circle, eh?

Life was much simpler on DUN. Connected at 49333 and throughput 5.5KB/sec no matter what!!

[pazzaTgreat]

Absolutely Jeff, but at some point some vicious money grabbing BT exec HAS to take such a decision, which means they need something which will deliver more than 2Mbit to 80% + of the population.

Although I'm in a small rural Scottish location, I am only 500m of loop from the exchange so I'll get the most out of whatever they put in place. 

However, I'm in a small rural scottish location 

so I won't be seeing any of the further improvements that might come along in a hurry. That's why I'm so bleedin' grateful for the MAXdsl product.

btw- some small proportion of the population can get HDTV on demand with ADSL2+ but it has proven somewhat unreliable. I would continue but I am new and am painfully aware that this is now unrelated to the thread.

However, with reference to the checker thing ...

http://www.internode.on.net/images/copyright/internode-adsl2-distance.jpg

gives, an indication of loop length vs bandwidt with ADSL2+


check http://www.kitz.co.uk/adsl/maxdsl.htm for more info.

[Jeff]

I would continue but I am new and am painfully aware that this is now unrelated to the thread

That`s OK m8, don`t worry about that (unless ne1 else is bothered, I`m not)

Aye, I`ve seen those checkers but it`s not the one I was on about. You could enter some known data and it would cough some figures back at you.

One thing is for sure, nothing (if anything) will happen in a hurry. I was enjoying 8Mbit in Holland 5 years ago. We`re miles behind and it always comes down to money. I`ve said it before, BT have been making billions over the years and need to start ploughing it back into it`s infrastructure because up to this date, they can`t support possible technologies that exist elsewhere.

[pazzaTgreat]

Hmmm ... but in some instances BT have wanted to make the break but OFCOM stopped them getting too far ahead of cable companies.

Be offer ADSL2+ as can some subscribers to easynet.

Broadband Britain is density populated so 65% of homes are located within ADSL2+ limits of an exchange (assuming a minimum 16Mbit throughput).

As we can see to some extent through broadband uptake HOMES does not equate to CUSTOMERS so and a large percentage of actual customers come from the other 35%

Was it you who pointed out that Japan is way ahead, not to mention Korea! Some areas of Hong Kong are getting Gigabit installations in new buildings.  There is a city in Malaysia which is being built from scratch to be an IT city and every single building is being connected on at least a 100Mbit network. 

Britain is, as you rightly point out, miles behind this.

But ... I still believe that someone might well actually catch sight of the fact that BT in their current network mode are insufficiently prepared to deliver what has been mooted and so will kick some ass and get the infrastructure upgraded.  Fibre to the home and a total copper replacement would only be the start.

Than we would get quantum networking so we don't even need wires!!!!  8)

Sorry . did I take it too far there?

[Jeff]

Ofcom have indeed recently stated that they are to remove current constraints on BT, welcome move

We can only wait and see what transpires.

[roland]

Ofcom have indeed recently stated that they are to remove current constraints on BT, welcome move

But not until their 'friends' are suitably entrenched. I know it has been discussed elsewhere, but why should a company make a major investment in infrastructure only to have to 'give it away' to their competitors.

[Jeff]

They don`t have to give anything away. Business is business, I`m sure BT will do what`s right for BT ... hasn`t this always been the case anyway?