A Few Questions About IDnet Please

[Noreen]

This may be useful.
http://www.samknows.com/broadband/exchange.php?ecode=WWSAUS

[madasahatter]

This give you some idea of the actual capacity status of the exchange over the last couple of months:

http://usertools.plus.net/exchanges/?exchange=St%20Austell&exact=933&plugin=vp

[DeViTTo]

This may be useful.
http://www.samknows.com/broadband/exchange.php?ecode=WWSAUS

Very useful Thanks Noreen, I dont think i'm on an LLU I have heard its difficult to get off them if i'm correct. Although I think a lot of companies are switching people to them without telling them.

This give you some idea of the actual capacity status of the exchange over the last couple of months:

http://usertools.plus.net/exchanges/?exchange=St%20Austell&exact=933&plugin=vp

Also very useful Thankyou Both Hmm dont like the Amber status :-(

That would suit my game no problem at all as I have been used to 120 -180+ thanks for that Glen

Actually incorrect pings are about between 150 - 250+ in game. I wonder what a connection from IDnet would give in game? Seems i'll be submitting my newly aquired MAC code soon on an application form, thankyou all so far for your responses.

[Simon]

I think it just takes a couple of days longer to escape from an LLU, Dev.

[Lance]

Plus IDNet are one of the few ISPs not to charge the migration fee for LLU migrations.

[DeViTTo]

I think it just takes a couple of days longer to escape from an LLU, Dev.

At least your a company that doesn't see this as too much of a hurdle

Plus IDNet are one of the few ISPs not to charge the migration fee for LLU migrations.

Thats good to hear also. I dont think i'm on an LLU though.

Do you have a NTE5 master socket? If so, remove the front faceplate (as shown in the picture - be careful as any extension wiring will be connected to this plate inside the socket) and connect your router to the socket behind (the test socket). Then please re-post your stats. If things improve, we can make suggestions about how you can improve the situation in the long-term, which will yield you higher sync.

I look forward to hearing back from you, and welcome once again.

Seb, Had a look downstairs the master socket is not of the type required. I understand what you are looking for its just a normal faceplate. So I cant give any readings off it, unless I connect to the socket as usual, I dont suppose that will be of much help, just shortens the test a little i.e not being so far a way from the socket as the socket I am using now.

I did a second test though from the socket anyway, from the faceplate side as I couldn't the other way.

FYI Seb

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[Rik]

Hi Dev

Welcome to the forum, have a karma.   

I think everyone else has covered the points your raised, so for once I'll keep quiet, well relatively anyway.

IDNet have never released details of their network that I'm aware of, but if you give them a ring on 0800 0267237, they may be able to give you a little more information than we can. It's possibly worth pointing out that, although we work closely with IDNet, none of us works for them, so we can only give you our opinions, or information that we've obtained. Keep a note of that phone number, it's the same one you use for support calls, if you ever have to make one.

My pings, from an interleaved line, are:

ping www.westwood.com

Pinging napdhome.pogo.com [159.153.235.27] with 32 bytes of data:

Reply from 159.153.235.27: bytes=32 time=98ms TTL=111
Reply from 159.153.235.27: bytes=32 time=101ms TTL=111
Reply from 159.153.235.27: bytes=32 time=101ms TTL=111
Reply from 159.153.235.27: bytes=32 time=100ms TTL=111

Ping statistics for 159.153.235.27:
    Packets: Sent = 4, Received = 4, Lost = 0 (0% loss),
Approximate round trip times in milli-seconds:
    Minimum = 98ms, Maximum = 101ms, Average = 100ms

Interleaving is reputed to add around 20ms.

Another Compuserve vet, eh. That's at least three of us now.

[DeViTTo]

Another Compuserve vet, eh. That's at least three of us now.

Thanks Rik for the welcome and your Ping times, very good figures considering the interleaving.

Yep compuserve days were about crikey 28years beginning of the 90's is it that long damn I feel old now. I used to like the community on Compuserve allways willing to help and a good source of info, with a lot of major companies offering support online with them.

I'm getting old, just had a look at this post http://www.idnetters.co.uk/forums/index.php?topic=5815.0
How very true, I'm about 2/3 way along, but I think there should be another Wheel added before the ambulance the sports car a last capture of youth. I ride a motorbike myself lol.

[Rik]

Hi Dev

Looking at your figures, I'd expect you to sync at around 55-5700k, so you'd get a profile of 5000k, throughput about 4700 - all other things being equal.

My pings to the BBC or IDNet are usually around 24ms, so you can imagine what it would be like without interleaving.

Thinking back to Compuserve just turned my beard a shade whiter. They were happy days. I ran the Adobe forums, plus a couple of Thom Hartman's DTP forums. I got sucked in to the community when I asked for help with a printer driver for an HP Laserjet, and someone I'd never spoken to, in the States, wrote me one over the weekend. The camaraderie was massive, and I think you'll find it's just as strong here.

I want to know where the skateboard fits in.

[Sebby]

Seb, Had a look downstairs the master socket is not of the type required. I understand what you are looking for its just a normal faceplate. So I cant give any readings off it, unless I connect to the socket as usual, I dont suppose that will be of much help, just shortens the test a little i.e not being so far a way from the socket as the socket I am using now.

I did a second test though from the socket anyway, from the faceplate side as I couldn't the other way.

Your stats are significantly better in that socket! So much so that you'd get about 5.7Mb sync! Often you'd expect for the results to be similar on any socket, so it's funny that they're that much better on that socket. Did you use the same filter on the master as the extension?

One thing you can do to start with is remove the ring wire from each socket. Modern telephones don't need this wire connected, and it's usually the culprit for picking up noise in extension wiring. What you need to do is open every socket in your property and remove the ring wire; it'll most probably be orange, and will always be connected to terminal number 3. If you do go ahead with doing this, please re-post your stats from the extension socket.

Alternatively, if it's feasible, you could just site your router at the socket downstairs as it offers a significant improvement.

[DeViTTo]

Hi Dev

Looking at your figures, I'd expect you to sync at around 55-5700k, so you'd get a profile of 5000k, throughput about 4700 - all other things being equal.

My pings to the BBC or IDNet are usually around 24ms, so you can imagine what it would be like without interleaving.

Hmm thats good news about what should be available thankyou RiK

Your stats are significantly better in that socket! So much so that you'd get about 5.7Mb sync! Often you'd expect for the results to be similar on any socket, so it's funny that they're that much better on that socket. Did you use the same filter on the master as the extension?

One thing you can do to start with is remove the ring wire from each socket. Modern telephones don't need this wire connected, and it's usually the culprit for picking up noise in extension wiring. What you need to do is open every socket in your property and remove the ring wire; it'll most probably be orange, and will always be connected to terminal number 3. If you do go ahead with doing this, please re-post your stats from the extension socket.

Alternatively, if it's feasible, you could just site your router at the socket downstairs as it offers a significant improvement.

No it was a different filter, I have many spares could try one again on this line. I have heard of the bell wire, which I might well do, this farmhouse is about 1950's ish I would say so the old telephone wiring is probably still intact. I could allways run another ext off the main socket if necessary but difficult routing the cables though. I'm hard wired which I prefer so if the figures are not that bad upstairs I would rather remain on the existing ext socket. I'm out for a few hours I will repost later when I have had a chance to look at the bell wires.

[Rik]

Removing the ring wire can have almost miraculous results, so it's well worth a try. I'm not sure you'd benefit from adding yet another extension. How feasible would it be to have the router at the master socket and run a Ct5 (or better) ethernet cable to the machine(s)?

[Sebby]

No it was a different filter, I have many spares could try one again on this line. I have heard of the bell wire, which I might well do, this farmhouse is about 1950's ish I would say so the old telephone wiring is probably still intact. I could allways run another ext off the main socket if necessary but difficult routing the cables though. I'm hard wired which I prefer so if the figures are not that bad upstairs I would rather remain on the existing ext socket. I'm out for a few hours I will repost later when I have had a chance to look at the bell wires.

The reason I asked about the filter is because it seems strange that you saw such an improvement at the master socket; despite it being the master socket, I expect results to be similar when there is extension wiring in place. Perhaps try the other filter in the extension socket?

I'm not sure it's worth adding another extension. You'd be better to re-wire the current extensions with Cat5 cable.

[DeViTTo]

The reason I asked about the filter is because it seems strange that you saw such an improvement at the master socket; despite it being the master socket, I expect results to be similar when there is extension wiring in place. Perhaps try the other filter in the extension socket?

I'm not sure it's worth adding another extension. You'd be better to re-wire the current extensions with Cat5 cable.

Hi Seb I've disconnected all the orange bell wires attached to the sockets that I can locate and have replaced the upstairs filter that I was linked to. I have also taken another reading which I will provide here.

Please take a look I think it might have improved, but I would welcome your comments.

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[Rik]

You've gained 3db extra noise margin and lost 1db in attenuation, that will hopefully gain you about 500k in connections speed.

[DeViTTo]

Rik 

Looks good I will be signing up today. It would be nice to achieve better than 1024 for a change.

More importantly I require low consistant pings in game to the US server I mentioned. I think I will start with the Homemax package any comments regarding which to start off with, is there a hit when changing up to SuperMax because of switch in exchange etc?

I think I read somewhere that it is allowed but costs can occur if you wish to swap back to lower package.

[Rik]

Hi Dev

There is a charge for swapping between Super Max and the rest of the range as it incurs a cost from BT. Switching between PAYG, Lite and Max is free though. All packages are treated the same in terms of 'overrun' though, you will not be throttled in any way, you will simply be charged £1/GB for the extra bandwidth. You will be warned by email if it looks likely that you will overshoot in a month, and you can sign up to the RSS feed to get a daily usage figure and monthly total/projection. This data is also available via your accounts page.

When you receive the welcome email with your login details, you can go to the accounts page to set up your email accounts (as many as you want, IMAP, POP3 or web, 100MB box limit, 10MB attachment limit), you can also set up spam filtering, forwarding etc, plus your web space, blog space and photo album. All of these are available for immediate use.

[Sebby]

Hi Seb I've disconnected all the orange bell wires attached to the sockets that I can locate and have replaced the upstairs filter that I was linked to. I have also taken another reading which I will provide here.

Please take a look I think it might have improved, but I would welcome your comments.

Sorted!

You could well get full sync with these stats, though I suspect it'll be around 7.5Mb, which won't be far off anyway. Still, that's quite an improvement from the 2.5Mb you would've got if you hadn't fiddled around with anything.

[DeViTTo]

Sorted!

You could well get full sync with these stats, though I suspect it'll be around 7.5Mb, which won't be far off anyway. Still, that's quite an improvement from the 2.5Mb you would've got if you hadn't fiddled around with anything.

Hey ty:-) Trouble is I have just tried to sign up and now for some reason my tel no reports 2mb* I'm sure it stated 5Mb* the other day. I tried both packages as well. any comments


Good news
You can migrate to 2Mb* IDNet Broadband on 01208*****.

*This is an estimation provided by BT based on the distance from your local exchange. The actual maximum download speed that your line can support is determined by the equipment at the exchange within the first 10 days of service.

Speeds are not only affected by your proximity to your local telephone exchange but also by the quality of your phone line. Actual download speeds can vary from below 2 Mbps during peak times, up to a maximum of 7.15 Mbps.

[Rik]

*This is an estimation provided by BT based on the distance from your local exchange. The actual maximum download speed that your line can support is determined by the equipment at the exchange within the first 10 days of service.

The checker is notoriously 'wobbly'. It's actually only any real use once you've had Max on the line and MSR has been established. Go ahead and order, IDNet will get you going as fast as your line will go. If you're concerned, give them a ring on Monday with your line stats, and they'll give you an honest assessment.

[DeViTTo]

Ok I'm signing up now going to try Homemax and see how that fairs with my usage etc.   

[Rik]

We look forward to seeing you amongst us, maybe Friday with a bit of luck.

[DeViTTo]

We look forward to seeing you amongst us, maybe Friday with a bit of luck.

I hope so to, but gotta sort out sign up issue with Simon or Customer Support first.

[Rik]

That shouldn't delay anything, nothing would move till Monday anyway.

[Sebby]

Hey ty:-) Trouble is I have just tried to sign up and now for some reason my tel no reports 2mb* I'm sure it stated 5Mb* the other day. I tried both packages as well. any comments

Don't worry about the availability checker; Max is rate-adaptive and so it doesn't matter what it says.