Leaving Idnet!

[Azazel]

Well it has been a really good time with IDnet but I am leaving for different pastures, giving the £18 a month Be* unlimited a go, by my line stats i should get between 10 and 14mb ish from their line which isnt that bad.

I would recommend IDnet to anyone for sure but im finding that i just cant afford to keep paying out the £35 a month for the premium service anymore, Im not gonna leave you all alone however i will be keeping in touch to tell you all how good or bad it is on Be*

[Rik]

Good luck with the move, I hope you get the results you want. We won't hold your IP address against you, so don't be a stranger.

[Azazel]

well you never know it may well be that I do a boomerang move back if the service is cr*p its only a 3 month contract so thats not too bad.

[Rik]

Obviously, we're sorry to see anyone leave, but IDNet isn't going to be the best option in every case. At least you have omething to judge BE by.

[Inactive]

Good luck with the move..


Call in and let us know how it goes.

[Malc]

Good luck, are tiscalli buying BE yet?

More Bandwidth for ME 

[Inactive]

Good luck, are tiscalli buying BE yet?

More Bandwidth for ME 

No, but I did read somewhere that BE are losing money, so who knows...

[Malc]

    

ID may be a little dearer, but, you get what you pay for

[Rik]

Good luck, are tiscalli buying BE yet?

O2 own them, don't they?

[Malc]

Isn't O2 owned by BT?

This is becomeing bad news, maybe he'll stay

[Rik]

No, BT sold O2 a while back - I think it's owned by a Spanish company now.

[Inactive]

No, BE is owned by the biggest robbers in the whole of Europe, none less than the Spanish Telefonica, that charge their Spanish customers a whopping 40+ Euro's a month for a diabolical service.

[cavillas]

Its the Spanish Tiscali.

[Inactive]

It's actually the Spanish BT, but with a total disregard for EU Rules, they just pay the billion Euro fines each year and carry on robbing people.

They can afford to at 40+ Euro's a month.

[Malc]

Enjoy your new ISP.

I'm staing here

[Sebby]

Good luck with the move. I don't doubt it'll be faster, but I've learnt that customer service is just as important, so I hope you're not disappointed.

[Simon]

Best of luck, and keep in touch! 

[Lance]

Hope you get a nice fast connection! I wish I could get 8mb, never mind 14!!!

[Simon]

Don't forget, it's **up to** 14Mb! 

[Inactive]

How about these figures then Simon, lifted from DSLZone;

ISP =UK Online; Sync Speed 22528;  Result Speed = 1386

Makes one cringe somewhat.

[Lance]

Indeed it does, In. Ouch! 

[Gary]

It's actually the Spanish BT, but with a total disregard for EU Rules, they just pay the billion Euro fines each year and carry on robbing people.

They can afford to at 40+ Euro's a month.

For such a robber In, since O2 are owned by them they have the cheapest data roaming rates for Europe, and the same with call roaming rates, and if you are in Spain you don't pay roaming charges using the O2 network at all. Be is owned my them but left to manage itself as such giving it as much autonomy as possible, the O2 broadband package is leased off the be network and since its a LLU operating ADSL2+ the maximum be package is up to 24meg, with a upload of over 1 meg on all packages including the O2 8meg version for longer lines, the O2 offering actually gets very good reviews on thinkbroadband, and on many other places on the net, so for being the biggest robber in Europe they offer some good options it appears.

[Azazel]

Your ISP is only a MAC code away from changing at anytime, and as its only a partial unbundling (voice still provided by BT) i can change to any other ISP that will accept an LLU MAC (which is most of the decent ones that i would want to goto) short contract term with less money per month and from what i have read on the official and unofficial Be* forums they have very good customer service, had to call them over a problem with my order, free phone number and picked up in 5 rings and very freindly helpful staff there.

No it wont be the personal touch and great service from IDnet but its acceptable for the reduced service charge, to be honest in 18 months with IDnet i have called support twice. Anyway i will see how it goes, so far im scheduled for 14th of Feb for activation.

[Inactive]

For such a robber In, since O2 are owned by them they have the cheapest data roaming rates for Europe, and the same with call roaming rates, and if you are in Spain you don't pay roaming charges using the O2 network at all.

News to me Gary, I can never find their actual charges on the O2 website anyway.  I have a Moviestar PAYG Mobile Phone, also owned by Telefonica, their latest ploy is to charge for the previously free balance texts at 15 cents a go.

[Gary]

My wife travels a lot In, "For a £5 monthly fee, roaming customers will no longer pay for incoming calls.

O2's move will initially apply only in Spain, the home territory of its owner Telefonica, but will roll out across the rest of Europe next year.

The decision comes as the European Union continues to press mobile firms to cut roaming costs.

This was in 2006 not sure how much it costs now, but you revive calls in Spain for free and make them for 25p which is not a bad offer, she just puts it on her tariff when going away

[Inactive]

Thanks Gary, yes I do recall that, but that was down to the EU stopping the greedy mobile operators from scamming those roaming, not down to the generosity of O2.

I actually have a Telefonica Land Line, but I don't have my calls through them, I use a company called Europa Network, calls are for next to nothing with them, and they are a bit like IDNet when it comes to service.

However because of the Telefonica stitch - up on Broadband in Spain, they cannot provide broadband for less than the standard 40 Euro's a month + IVA ( VAT ) for a 1 mb service.

[Gary]

O2 lowered their prices more than any other Operator In, that's more generous than most in my book, and good for business

[Inactive]

You obviously have an affinity to O2 Gary, they are of no use to me, they still cannot provide a usable signal at my home address in the UK.

[Gary]

You obviously have an affinity to O2 Gary, they are of no use to me, they still cannot provide a usable signal at my home address in the UK.

Not an affinity In, they just happen to provide cheaper data and roaming charges which is good news as it makes the other networks take notice and drop keep their prices as well, competition if it helps our pockets is a good thing

[Inactive]

Would your Wife not be better off getting a Sim in the country visited Gary?, I find that even Telefonica is cheaper than using any UK roaming set-up.

[Malc]

Would your Wife not be better off getting a Sim in the country visited Gary?, I find that even Telefonica is cheaper than using any UK roaming set-up.

Both of us do that when we go to the Philippines, it's a lot cheaper.

[Gary]

Would your Wife not be better off getting a Sim in the country visited Gary?, I find that even Telefonica is cheaper than using any UK roaming set-up.

She travels to Switzerland Itlay Oman, Dubai, so many places that to be honest a carrier pigeon would be better , but in Europe O2 works for her, she does not get the time to go hunting sims for the countries alas In, although its a good idea but as she is looking after a number of children her movements are somewhat restricted, what she needs is a wifi enabled phone and a hotspot to make voip calls really, she is due and upgrade this year so that will help that out, but otherwise its silence mostly which we both hate, not much can be done when she goes to the more remote places sadly.

[Inactive]

That must be terrible for both of you Gary, WiFi seems to be the way things are going, so hopefully you will be able to keep in touch better.

One nearby village in Spain has Wi Fi enabled the whole village, so the residents get access for 11 Euro's a month.. sadly not my village.

[Gary]

That must be terrible for both of you Gary, WiFi seems to be the way things are going, so hopefully you will be able to keep in touch better.

One nearby village in Spain has Wi Fi enabled the whole village, so the residents get access for 11 Euro's a month.. sadly not my village.

Yes its hard In, she is off again Sunday till the 24th and then back for a week and away again, also away most of March. Wifi is the answer, she is really technophobic as well which does not help so I think a wifi handset would be easier than a laptop and more practicable for her as well. When you see whole villages covered by wifi it makes you wonder about the investment for that in the UK, we are not great at grasping these ideas and implementing them in the UK it seems

[Si]

When you see whole villages covered by wifi it makes you wonder about the investment for that in the UK, we are not great at grasping these ideas and implementing them in the UK it seems

Or has there been assistance provided by the EU to help fund this... If so, then we are paying for such services, just not here!

[Rik]

Nothing new there then.

[Gary]

Or has there been assistance provided by the EU to help fund this... If so, then we are paying for such services, just not here!

I imagine its the Networks doing this, as the EU tend to not dig deep in their pockets to push that kind of technology out just for the average man and woman, and its worth it for the ISP's to get more people in its hands, there is a WIFI scheme in Oxford using lamposts as WIFI transmitters so it is being tried out, but the mobile networks dread this as people would be using voip for calls not them, imagine a voip handset just for WIFI they would lose out so much its not in their interest to encourage this technology I guess, that's why companies like Orange and Vodaphone crippled the first few WIFI handsets I think Si

[Inactive]

Or has there been assistance provided by the EU to help fund this... If so, then we are paying for such services, just not here!

I think it was paid for by the village council, each village in Spain has like a mini-town hall and it gets local rates paid directly to it from it's residents.

Even car tax is paid to the village.

[Gary]

I think it was paid for by the village council, each village in Spain has like a mini-town hall and it gets local rates paid directly to it from it's residents.

Even car tax is paid to the village.

Were I like In, it would be conservatories and road widening for Range rovers

[Inactive]

Were I like In, it would be conservatories and road widening for Range rovers

Same here Gary...

[Azazel]

Well i have migrated off to Be* now and so far so good, i have gone from 5.5mb to 7.9 and the customer service has been great, very helpful getting fast path on my line and some tweaks to SNR and DLM being turned off, im going to move to their value pack as that limits my connection to 8mb and i pay £14 a month, same service level just capped at 8mb.

Anyway if i come accross any issues i will get back to ya!

[Rik]

Thanks, Az.

[Inactive]

Thanks for the update Az.. 

[Sebby]

I'm glad it's worked out well for you.

[Lance]

THanks for the update!

[Azazel]

so far so good, everything is running smoothly, ping is nice and routing seems to be pretty stable, DNS servers seem to be an issue for some people but i have not yet had a problem 

[Rik]

Are they using OpenDNS as an alternative?

[Gary]

That issue was mentioned on Think Broadband, Be and O2 suffer DNS issues as the problem appears that Be Internet's DNS servers use adjacent IP numbers. This means if one segment of the IP network goes down, both DNS servers are almost certainly going to go out of service it appears

[Rik]

Careless planning, Gary.

[Azazel]

im on their own DNS servers and yes they have the same ip address and on 51 and 52 as the end of the address, however they do have multiple DNS servers over the network now with varied IP addresses so i think that issue has gone, i am looking at using open DNS myself as a better alternative.

[Sebby]

OpenDNS is very good. I like the fact that you can register on their site and do cool things like block sites.