idnet migration

[Steve]

Hoping finally to migrate on Thursday 21st having previously failed on 15th because of a simultaneous change of tag on my line from pipex to tiscali. I have read with interest and some concern in various forums  about bras,profiles, attenuation,noise margins and sync speeds. I have been with Pipex for the last five years with absolutely no problems with download speeds or provision of service until the last few months. This seemed to coincide with an IP/DNS change to ones belonging to tiscali. My current download speeds have reduced overall with the most significant changes occuring during the evening. I am hopeful for better times ahead. My router has always synced at 8128/448 since maxdsl 18months ago will this change when I migrate? Will my line go through a relearning process? Hopefully I able to browse the internet on evening again without shouting at my eldest son "what are you doing online?" usual reply "not much dad just browsing, its too slow again to do anything else"

[Simon]

Hi Steve, and    Have a welcome Karma! 

Without getting too technical (for me!), I can assure you that IDNet promise no contention, so any variations in speed at different times during the day / eve, would be due to congestion on your BT line.  As for the 10 day training period, I don't think this happens when moving from Max to Max, but it may do if you are going onto the SuperMax package, with the higher upload speed.

We have had several members join here, moving from Pipex, and I can't remember anyone yet being disappointed. 

Someone more technically adept than me will be along later, to confirm the above (hopefully!), and to answer any further questions you may have.

[Sebby]

If you always sync at 8,128/448, there is absolutely no need for you to worry or concern yourself with bRAS profiles, attenuation, noise margin, sync speed, or anything else. What this says is that your line is good enough for you to always sync at the maximum possible speed, and therefore the aforementioned variables are not an issue. On a related note, just to mention that the sync and all these words mentioned are nothing to do with the ISP (be it Pipex, Tiscali, or IDNet). These are things that are to do with the characteristics of your line. If you did have a problem with low sync, for example, this would be something to do with your line (be it within your property, or external to your property). But, like I say, it's not an issue in this case.

You mention slow speeds. Again, because I know you sync at the maximum rate, you can be 99.9% certain that this is due to Tiscali's shockingly-bad network. Once you move to IDNet - who promise no congestion on their side - you'll get the maximum speed your line can support. You will be absolutely amazed at the difference; that I assure you.

I look forward to welcoming you to IDNet on Thursday.

[Steve]

with regard to possible future lines speeds I have considered moving my router back on to the master socket, however at present when i do this i see no immediate changes in adsl line stats or download speeds    , I am unsure from my reading whether this should make an immediate difference if there is an issue, or if gains will only be seen after a period of time? Lastly several members seem to enthuse over the 2wire 2700, I have seen some for sale on ebay. are the they locked to BT? If so are they easy to unlock? Does the AT&T version work in the U.K?

[Inactive]

Hi Steve, Welcome. have a Karma ..

RE; The 2700's on ebay, I have had 3 .. 2Wire 2700's from ebay bought from DD, one didn't work at all, the other 2 had faults.

One of them was an AT&T.!!!

I would advise you to get a new BT one, easy to sort out.

[Rik]

Hi Steve

TBH, the master socket has few advantages if you have hard-wired extensions. It is, however, worth trying the test socket behind the faceploate (if you have an NTE5 master, the sort where the bottom portion of the faceplate can be removed). If the results there are significantly better, then your wiring is adding noise to the circuit, and the fitting of a filtered faceplate would be beneficial, at which point having the router at the master makes sense.

Unlocking 2700s is easy, it's a matter of a few entries in the routing table. The AT&T ones should come with SBC firmware, which requires no unlocking.

[Steve]

Thanks, i have used the test socket and there was no immediate difference, thats why I was wondering whether there would be any difference in stats after a period of time. Unfortunately my master socket sits in box room with no power supply at present and the extension cable is not hard wired, but presumably not difficult to change if I cut the end off and attach it to the relevant pins on the face plate

[Rik]

Hi Steve

If there was going to be an immediate difference, either the noise margin or sync speed would have improved. It sounds, therefore, as if you needn't worry about your wiring. A change of router may improve things but no-one can guarantee it. For me, the 2700 raised my sync speed and, therefore, profile by 1000k.

[Steve]

Thanks, seems sensible to leave well alone. I have no idea what my profile is at present as I am no longer able to log on BT speedtester  presumably something to do with Pipex/Tiscali. Hopefully fingers crossed migration wont fail a second time, after which sync speeds and profiles may become more relevant.

Cheers

[Rik]

Indeed they will Steve, toes crossed for a successful transition.

[Ray]

Welcome Steve have another 

[RA-1972]

you wont regret it mate , trust me.

[plugwash]

I am no longer able to log on BT speedtester  presumably something to do with Pipex/Tiscali.

If you have been migrated to the tiscali LLU system you don't have a profile at all. Profiles are a perculiarity of the BT wholesale system.