21CN

zrerz · Mar 18, 2008, 12:51:13

Sorry if this has been asked before, but does anyone know if Idnet are involved with or planning to use this new BT 21CN service?

If so, any news from Idnet on this subject?

Rik · Mar 18, 2008, 12:53:45

All ISPs are involved, Dave and will begin using the new services as they become available. I believe that IDNet will be offering the changes as soon as they can, but BT is being a little fuzzy on dates.

zrerz · Mar 18, 2008, 13:12:46

Thanks Rik

Rik · Mar 18, 2008, 13:15:50

NP.

My best guess is this autumn, but it will depend on exchange conversions, of course.

Philip · Mar 18, 2008, 20:21:02

when I last read up on this, I think we will be into the 22nd century before BT enable Penzance exchange

Rik · Mar 19, 2008, 09:11:53

I know how you feel, Philip, we're well down the list too...

madasahatter · Mar 19, 2008, 09:37:46

Think my exchange is due to move into the 21st Century in 2011, and by the time that comes it may well have been moved back to sometime in the 4th millenium

Cookiemonster · Mar 19, 2008, 13:29:24

Q3 2009 for me. I can live with that

Malc · Mar 19, 2008, 13:33:57

Quote from: jester212 on Mar 19, 2008, 13:29:24
Q3 2009 for me. I can live with that

How do you find out?

madasahatter · Mar 19, 2008, 13:38:19

http://www.samknows.com/broadband

Malc · Mar 19, 2008, 13:43:21

I'm not even on the list

madasahatter · Mar 19, 2008, 13:46:34

do the broadband availability checker on there Malc - mine must have changed, cos it's now saying that there's no date set

Malc · Mar 19, 2008, 13:49:05

I'm looking in the wrong place, looked at completed ones.

The date is Q3 2008.

So, when this happens will I get much faster broadband?

madasahatter · Mar 19, 2008, 13:49:53

your guess is as good as any other hoobs

Malc · Mar 19, 2008, 13:50:34

Quote from: madasahatter on Mar 19, 2008, 13:46:34
do the broadband availability checker on there Malc - mine must have changed, cos it's now saying that there's no date set

Lancashire has something going for it then

madasahatter · Mar 19, 2008, 13:51:54

Quote from: Malc on Mar 19, 2008, 13:50:34

Lancashire has something goning for it then

Not much else though

Malc · Mar 19, 2008, 13:52:17

A blue Hoob lives there

Rik · Mar 19, 2008, 14:20:49

A Lani hoob lives there too.

Malc · Mar 19, 2008, 14:22:32

Malc · Mar 19, 2008, 14:42:58

Quote from: Malc on Mar 19, 2008, 13:49:05
I'm looking in the wrong place, looked at completed ones.

The date is Q3 2008.

So, when this happens will I get much faster broadband?

Rik, this thread drifted a bit, but what happens when my exchange upgrades in q3 this year, will I get 16 meg then and what else?

Will it cost more?

Rik · Mar 19, 2008, 14:50:42

You won't get it automatically, Malc. What I suspect will happen is that a new range of products will become available as exchanges upgrade. I haven't seen anything on pricing though.

Malc · Mar 19, 2008, 14:54:48

Gary · Mar 19, 2008, 19:04:05

Q 3 2008 here as well

Simon · Mar 19, 2008, 21:31:22

Q3 2008

Philip · Mar 19, 2008, 22:03:34

It's getting better

Exchange history

20/01/2008    BT have updated the target date for the 21CN PSTN switchover to Q3 2009 for the Penzance exchange

19/10/2006    BT have set a target date of Q4 2011 for the switch to 21CN for the Penzance exchange

Rik · Mar 20, 2008, 09:24:30

Well, that's you in for a series of outages next year then, Philip.

Dont mention Talk Talk !! · Mar 20, 2008, 20:27:09

tish and pish, I cant find the rollout date for newtownards exchange, anybody able to find it ?

James

rgt247 · Mar 20, 2008, 20:31:55

Hi Talk Talk

http://www.samknows.com/broadband/exchange/NINTS

Philip · Mar 20, 2008, 20:46:40

Quote from: Rik on Mar 20, 2008, 09:24:30
Well, that's you in for a series of outages next year then, Philip.

Colin Burns · Mar 21, 2008, 03:10:50

17/07/2007 TalkTalk (CPW) has enabled the Rowlands Gill exchange for their service
19/10/2006 BT have set a target date of Q2 2011 for the switch to 21CN for the Rowlands Gill exchange

im starting to feel sad and loney though ill have my 8mb to keep me comapany

Rik · Mar 21, 2008, 09:58:23

Look at it like this, Colin. BT are testing it on lost of other people before they get to you. At least the bugs should be ironed out.

Malc · Mar 21, 2008, 10:24:16

Quote from: Rik on Mar 21, 2008, 09:58:23
BT are testing it on lost of other people before they get to you.

So, who are all these lost peeps?

Rik · Mar 21, 2008, 11:05:01

Well, if you notice any forum regulars going missing, BT have probably just updated their exchanges.

madasahatter · Mar 21, 2008, 11:34:49

Quote from: Rik on Mar 21, 2008, 11:05:01
BT have probably just updated their exchanges.

And messed it up as they invariably do

Malc · Mar 21, 2008, 11:39:51

Not looking forward to Q3 this year anymore

Sebby · Mar 21, 2008, 13:41:45

I'm Q4 2008; I don't know if that's good or bad!

sobranie · Mar 21, 2008, 14:07:09

Q1 2009 here in Helston, was 2011 sometime. Oh goody, beaten Penzance

Rik · Mar 21, 2008, 15:06:47

Quote from: Sebby on Mar 21, 2008, 13:41:45
I'm Q4 2008; I don't know if that's good or bad!

Well, you'll find out sooner than many of us.

Lance · Mar 21, 2008, 20:06:30

Mine is Q1 2009

Danni · Mar 21, 2008, 21:34:33

05/03/2008 Be Unlimited has set an enablement date of 31/03/2008 for the Blaydon exchange
05/06/2007 BT Wholesale (SDSL) has enabled the Blaydon exchange for their service
01/02/2007 Be Unlimited is no longer reporting an enablement date for the Blaydon exchange
19/10/2006 BT have set a target date of Q2 2011 for the switch to 21CN for the Blaydon exchange

I'll probably be on a different exchange soon, but still

Colin Burns · Mar 22, 2008, 01:52:48

yea are u forgetting who told u about that nasty pasty

g7pkf · Mar 22, 2008, 14:18:18

mine was q3 2009.

its now BT have set a target date of Q2 2010 for the switch to 21CN for the Stewkley exchange

Bugger

Rik · Mar 22, 2008, 15:09:32

Don't worry, Dean, there's plenty of time for them to move it further back.

sobranie · Mar 22, 2008, 23:39:09

Quote from: sobranie on Mar 21, 2008, 14:07:09
Q1 2009 here in Helston, was 2011 sometime. Oh goody, beaten Penzance
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Oh s**t, it's back to 3/2011 again.

Colin Burns · Mar 23, 2008, 02:03:33

or completly forget that the exchange exists

gingerjedi · Apr 21, 2008, 16:17:23

Just checked mine Q3 2008... Which is nice.

What does the upgrade involve, is it just the equipment in the exchange or are there any line upgrades?

My line has an attenuation of 46db and drops out with interference every few days even though I'm only 2k from the exchange, I've tried to have it fixed on several occasions but it never happens when the BT engineer arrives so I've learnt to live with it.

Just wondering if there is a small possibility that it may be fixed inline with the 21CN rollout?

Rik · Apr 21, 2008, 16:18:35

Very little, I'm afraid. 21CN is more to do with the exchange and backhaul, it changes little in the local loop, if anything.

gingerjedi · Apr 21, 2008, 16:30:09

Oh well.

I've tried everything from new filters, different routers, re-wired phone system, 3 BT call outs (2 via IDNet) and still it just goes haywire every now and then, my latest theory is my phone line is tapped!!

Rik · Apr 21, 2008, 16:31:49

It may be tapped, in the sense that there is a leaky joint on the line. I would have hoped, though, that the engineers would have picked that up. Is there a pattern to the problem, eg time of day, type of weather?

gingerjedi · Apr 21, 2008, 16:47:07

No it seems completely random, it's like some sort of static storm on my phone line? I can hear noise and at the same time my SNR will drop, then out of the blue it will clear and work fine again. (I've had advice from your good self on this mater before

)

I wonder if there's some electrostatic interference being generated along the line somewhere between me and the exchange, an underground pump or something??

Anyway whatever it is I've done everything I can at my end so unless BT decide to replace the aging copper lines I'm stuck with it unless I move.

Rik · Apr 21, 2008, 16:52:26

Does the noise last for long, ie long enough for you to log a fault report with BT on the voice side?

gingerjedi · Apr 23, 2008, 18:21:40

Sorry Rik... I didn't see that reply.

No, if you pick the handset up it usually clears itself after a short time.

I've been reading similar stories on other sites and some people mention that the ADSL router might be overdriven? They are saying the signal from the exchange is too strong, I am currently on standard Home 2000 package but my previous ISP had me on a MAX product, could there be a setting that's been overlooked at the exchange when switching from MAX to standard?

Rik · Apr 23, 2008, 18:32:31

The settings should all be handled automatically, when the router negotiates a connection. If the fault is clearing after a short time, and it occurs on different phones, I'd be thinking about bad joints. The extra current drawn when the handset is used might be whetting the joint and allowing it to conduct more easily.

gingerjedi · Apr 23, 2008, 19:04:55

Quote6dB or below is bad and will experience no synch or intermittent synch problems
7dB-10dB is fair but does not leave much room for variances in conditions
11dB-20dB is good with little or no synch problems* (but see note below)
20dB-28dB is excellent
29dB or above is outstanding

* Note that there may be short term bursts of noise that may drop the margin, but due to the sampling time of the management utility in your modem, will not show up in the figures.

Just found this posted by another techie, my SNR is usually about 16dB which puts me in the 'noise burst' zone, or like you said it could be a leaky joint somewhere on the line.

I'm going to give up now, thanks for the help.

Rik · Apr 23, 2008, 19:16:59

What router are you using? It might be worth running Routerstats to see what the noise performance is like.

http://www.vwlowen.co.uk/internet/files.htm