Trend, Sophos and McAfee flunk Vista SP1 anti-virus tests

[somanyholes]

not an easy job for them with vista, give them a few more years, shame to see sophos on there, being uk based an all....

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/04/03/vista_sp1_av_tests/

[Rik]

Worryingly, Norton passed. 

[Simon]

More worryingly, BitDefender didn't.   

[somanyholes]

More worryingly, BitDefender didn't.

more worringly nearly 50% failed eeek.

[Inactive]

AVG passed, and it is free.. does this disprove the theory of;

You get what you pay for?

[somanyholes]

You get what you pay for?

thats dangerous talk on this forum in 

[Inactive]

Indeed.. 

[Sebby]

Kaspersky passed.

[Simon]

AVG passed, and it is free.. does this disprove the theory of;

You get what you pay for?

Correct me if I'm wrong, but it didn't state which version they tested, so going on the other tests, I would assume it was the Pro (paid) version, which is supposedly very good.  It's the free one most people use, though, and I have noticed a worrying number of machines getting infected lately, using AVG Free. 

[BrianM]

Hi there, been using AVG freebie plus Zone Alarm and Adaware for six years, and the past three years on the paid for full monty version of AVG after ditching Norton. The free version of AVG found a virus which came thru an email and quarantined it strait away, the paid for version found a trojan about 12 months ago and that's about all the problems I've had in ten years.     Maybe I've been lucky.  Just watch, now I've posted this.    

[Simon]

I can well believe that, Brian.  I've only had a very small number of trojans, and never a real destructive virus.  A lot of it depends on how 'safe' your surfing habits are.  If you steer clear of the dark side of the web, you are less likely to encounter nasties, but there have been exceptions, one which springs to mind, being the trojan ad found on Digital Spy recently.

[Inactive]

Touch wood Simon, I have been using AVG Free for years now, no problems to report.

I do use other security stuff alongside it.

[Simon]

See above, In.  I'm sure, for most users, AVG free is OK, but having see quite a few forum posts recently, where people using AVG free have been infected, I wouldn't personally feel comfortable recommending it.

[BrianM]

Yes Simon  I've been reading some worrying reports about AVG recently and have been thinking of having a change but as you say I try to  keep my surfing habits safe without getting paranoid and go where I want to go, will see how things go 'till me subscription runs out. 

[Inactive]

See above, In.  I'm sure, for most users, AVG free is OK, but having see quite a few forum posts recently, where people using AVG free have been infected, I wouldn't personally feel comfortable recommending it.

Fair comment Simon, but when you see " paid for " versions from the likes of Trend Micro failing, it does make you wonder if it is worth paying out for them.

[Sebby]

I would take a look at Kaspersky. It's very good value and an excellent piece of software. I recently switched from AVG Free and it was worth every penny.

[Inactive]

I may well do Seb, but I have read of some people having problems with it, and as you know, AVG is idiot proof, it needs to be.

[Sebby]

All the problems are sorted now. If AVG works for you, I wouldn't necessarily switch. It always does well in tests and it's free!

[Niall]

AVG passed, and it is free.. does this disprove the theory of;

You get what you pay for?

AVG sucks under Vista. End of

It used to be good, but the new version is bloatware Not sure if it works okay under XP, but I didn't want to cripple my laptop trying to find out.

[madasahatter]

I gave up with AVG free - happily been using it for a couple of years, then it updated - after that it was very resource hungry for some reason, so got rid of it.

[Inactive]

AVG sucks under Vista. End of

It used to be good, but the new version is bloatware Not sure if it works okay under XP, but I didn't want to cripple my laptop trying to find out.

It's OK, I think Vista sucks, it is the bloatware of all bloatware, I mean, just how much memory does it need to run properly?

AVG doesn't slow my computer on XP.

[Sebby]

I agree with Niall. AVG is poor on Vista, which is why I moved to Kaspersky, though Ilm back on XP anyway now.

[Inactive]

though Ilm back on XP anyway now.

A wise move Seb.. 

[madasahatter]

AVG doesn't slow my computer on XP.

Well I'm on XP on my desktop, and that's the machine that had all the problems 

[Inactive]

You sure it wasn't posting on forums causing the slow down Mad.. 

AVG has never caused me any speed problems.

[madasahatter]

You sure it wasn't posting on forums causing the slow down Mad.. 

Never thought of that In......

[Gary]

Kaspersky on Vista and no issues whatsoever, faster than my old pc, shocked to see bit defender 2008 fail on there

[Simon]

What puts me off Kaspersky is THAT firewall, which seems to be all or nothing, i.e, all pop ups or no protection, as it lets everything through.

[Rik]

100 more, Simon, just 100.

[madasahatter]

Don't listen to him Simon - he's trying to lead you astray again 

[Rik]

I look on it more as encouragement.

[madasahatter]

 

encourage away 

[Rik]

We've still only got the one post - and that was starting a limerick!!

[madasahatter]

Your remote powers of persuasion obviously don't work as well with him as they do with me 

[Rik]

Hoobs are known to be more susceptible.

[madasahatter]

You've been looking in the Hoobopaedia again Rik 

[Rik]

I ahve a copy on the desk as I type.

[madasahatter]

 

How did you get that? Tis only supposed for hoobs

[Rik]

  

[madasahatter]

My word - this admin power thing gets you everything doesn't it? 

[Rik]

Not quite... 

[Simon]

I'm struggling to read everything - you can't expect me to reply too!   

Anyway, I'm off to play with my new Actifry...   

[Sebby]

I had to look up what that is, but I'm quite intrigued now. Let us know if it works well!

[Simon]

[Sebby]

Healthy chips that taste the same deep fat fried ones? Nice!

[Simon]

It's probably better with chips cut straight from a potato, but it did frozen ones very nicely!   

[Inactive]

I hope it works better than their " Quick and Hot " kettle Simon.

http://www.tefal.com/All+Products/Breakfast/Kettles/Products/Quick+and+Hot/Quick+and+Hot.htm

It has had fairly dire reviews.

[Sebby]

It's probably better with chips cut straight from a potato, but it did frozen ones very nicely!  

Good to hear! 

[Gary]

What puts me off Kaspersky is THAT firewall, which seems to be all or nothing, i.e, all pop ups or no protection, as it lets everything through.

it monitors the main vista/xp functions like svhost etc on mine at default it monitors 41 programs and personally I don't mind the pop ups they go away after a day or so and are easy to configure, the new version 8 which will be out soon has a new firewall, but the Kaspersky 7 firewall gets good reviews with matousec for leak tests which says a lot.

[Rik]

Anyway, I'm off to play with my new Actifry...   

We had a look at one, Simon, but it was so fussy to use it went back untried. 40 minutes to do a kilo of chips!

[Inactive]

40 minutes to do a kilo of chips!

Jeeeez, I would die of starvation.

[Rik]

That's what we thought, In. They have to be very regular (10x10x90mm from memory), thoroughly washed, then absolutely dry etc - with a massive cooking time to follow. After which you strip down the machine and clean it. We decided to settle for less chips, but 'real' ones.

[Inactive]

Oh bugger that for a game of soldiers, it would be quicker to drive 6 miles to my nearest chippy.

[Rik]

Yup...

[Inactive]

Sounds like the kind of thing that QVC sell, using 2 or 3 units, with the usual, here is one we did earlier routine !!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Rik]

They'd have to, In. The idea is good, but the practical application isn't there yet. I think people who buy one will soon relegate it to the back of the cupboard as being 'too fiddly'.

[Inactive]

A bit like their kettle that doesn't actually boil water then.

( link posted above ).

[Rik]

I'm not a great Tefal fan either - their 'lifetime guarantee' non-stick coatings seem to rely on people having very short lives. 

[Simon]

The point is, it doesn't *just* do chips.  I don't think I could be bothered with the manual chipping and drying thing, but it cooks frozen chips just as well, although admittedly, it does take a little time.  I only did a small portion, and it took about 22 minutes, which is about the same time as it would have done in the oven, without waiting for the oven to heat up first, but for two people, you would be looking at about 35 minutes.

Chicken nuggets = 12-15 mins
6 chicken breasts (750g) = 10-15 mins
Lamb / pork chops = about 20 mins
8 Sausages = 12 mins
Meatballs (12) = 18-20 mins
Scampi = 10 mins
Mushrooms (650g) = 15 mins

You are supposed to be able to do fruit in it too - Bananas, apples, cherries, strawberries, pears and pineapple are listed.

Cleaning is no more of an issue that any other cooking utilities, and the main drum that needs cleaning after each use, as you would a pan or an oven tray, can go in the dishwasher.

I haven't really played with it all that much at the moment, so it's difficult to give a full review, but on first impressions, it seems quite good.  Two things I would criticise - one is that during operation, it's quite noisy, and secondly, the timer alarm is quite quiet, and doesn't actually switch the thing off at the end of the time period.

[madasahatter]

Think I'll stick to my trusty old chip pan thanks 

[Rik]

We did.

[Inactive]

I will stick with my Deep Fat Fryer, but thanks for the info Simon.

[Colin Burns]

supose the question is did they fail because they failed to dectect vista suicide pack 1 as a virus

[Danni]

* Danni giggles

Avast isn't on there. I'm not quite sure if that's a good or a bad thing.